Talk:Georgia (U.S. state)/Archive 1

Archive 1

Archive 2

Flag

This is the old state flag. The new one went into effect this week. Anyone know where we can find a picture of the new flag? -- Zoe

New Flag updatedJohnb210 17:59, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Move

Hey AllI have added a poll to the Talk:Georgia regarding the moving of Georgia (country) to Georgia. Please go vote, non binding, all the rest. I am simple seeing who out there is still interested in this topic and I don't want to do something preemtively. 24.68.208.246 21:02, 6 May 2004 (UTC)

Largest cities

It was suggested on VfD that the following information should be added to this page. It is from Largest Cities in the State of Georgia which now redirects here. I think it would mess up the look of the page if it was added so I haven't done it but someone might want to try. Angela

The following is a list of the largest cities in Georgia; all figures are according to the 2000 census, only including the population of the core city (without the metropolitan areas).

1. Atlanta - 416,474
2. Augusta - 199,775
3. Columbus - 186,291
4. Savannah - 131,510
5. Macon - 97,255
6. Albany - 76,939
7. Warner Robins - 48,804
8. Athens - 45,734
9. Valdosta - 43,724
10. Rome - 34,980

Genarlo Wilson

SHOULD ANYTHING BE HERE REGARDING GENARLO WILSON?? As a non-US individual I would be embarressed to live in a state which makes no reference to draconian legal practices. I just read about the guy once, but it reveals a huge issue don't you think? Puritanical rubbish. This legal problem is worse than the Taliban regime. How do you think the US is judged by outsiders based on this? Better make a comment. PS - I love the upper east and west coasts of the states. The rest of the country is mad.

Seal of Georgia

Can anyone add more to the Seal of Georgia as well as linking it here?? 66.32.240.129 15:09, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Multimember Constituencies

What voting system is used in those constituencies where two or more members of the state House of Representatibes are to be elected?

Syd1435 05:37, 2004 Nov 12 (UTC)

Flag of Georgia link

I want to see if there is any way to change the link to Flag of Georgia to a link to Flag of Georgia (U.S. state). Any way to do this?? 66.245.31.111 00:46, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

It wasn't possible with the template. I just substituted the template in my sandbox and edited the code so that it would work. See Help:Template#Subst for more information. WAvegetarian ^(talk) (email) ^(contribs) 23:50, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Republic of New Africa?

Why is this even on the Georgia page? I have lived here my entire life and have never heard of this movement, and I live in a county that is approximately 50% African-American. This is a not notable.

That piece of information is completely irrelevant to the article and should be removed. --TheNationalist 22:14, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

On this article's title

Any opinions on this new, wordy title of the article compared to the long-standing Georgia (U.S. state) title?? Georgia guy 15:42, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

I have restored the prior title: this move, potentially contentious, wasn't discussed nor done through consensus. Moreover, related votes to move the parent article of U.S. state to United States state have been discussed and have not met with success.

Before moving this article again, please discuss and garner consensus or properly propose it at WP:RM. E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 15:49, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to suggest that this be the page you get when you search for Georgia, and the disambiguation is offered as a link (to provide consistency for all US states). Or, conversely, the rest of the states to adhere to Georgia's setup. Either or. Darquis 02:24, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

The problem with the first idea is that "Georgia" does often refer to the independent country; while most USians looking for "Georgia" want to see this article, that's not universal. At the same time, it would make little sense for every US state to get (U.S. state) appended on the end (which I assume you're suggesting), as in very, very few cases is there any confusion. The only important example I can think of is New York (state) vs. New York City, but that's easily resolved because the city's name includes City. In every other situation, any alternate use of a state's name would clearly be subsidiary to its use as a state name, so renaming forty-nine pages to conform to one exception makes little sense.

Good idea, but I just don't think it works out. --SuperNova |T|C| 02:02, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Stupid forgetting to sign. Fixed that.

Anyway, I see your point. I think Washington gets a fair amount of that too (given that the state was named after the person) but if there's enough traffic coming for the country rather than the state, then leaving it as is won't bother me that much. Darquis 02:24, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Cities per citizen

On average, there is 1 city government for every 23.6 citizens in Georgia, and this is expected to increase to 1 for every 20 by the year 2008.

I don't understand this sentence, so I removed it pending explanation. It sounds like it says that, if you divide the number of people in Georgia by the number of cities, you get 23.6. Obviously, this makes no sense. According to the List of cities in Georgia, USA article, there are about 400 cities in the state. Even if this list were not exhaustive, for the 23.6 number to be right, there would neeed to be nearly 350,000 cities. I went ahead and cut it out, but I assume it had a purpose once, so I hope someone can clarify or fix it. Thanks, y'all! --SuperNova 08:41, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Five largest ancestries?

In the Demographics section, the five most common ancestries are listed as "African, American, British, German, and Irish." Now is "American" supposed to be Native American? Or was African-American inadvertently split in two? I'm a Lover, Not a Fighter 06:05, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Many US residents (especially in the South; 7% nationwide in Census) report their ancestry as "American" because their family has been in the New World for centuries and no immigrant ancestors are immediately known; however, "areas with the largest "American" ancestry populations were mostly settled by English, French, Welsh, Scottish and Irish". For more info, see: Racial demographics of the United States and Maps of American ancestries. Hope this helps! --SuperNova |T|C| 22:09, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Might you add a note of citizens of the area which come from German descent. German ancestry was not commonly reported until twenty years ago in the region. Due to the regions growth which has attracted high paying jobs from northern cities, the movement from areas like the midwest, northeast, west, and Texas have boosted the German ancestry which is not one that is commonly found in all other parts of Georgia with the exception of the "Salzburgers".

NPOV

• See Tennessee article for issues. --Bookofsecrets 15:05, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

• On a different NPOV note. Are we to suppose by the History section that subsequent to the moundbuilder's disappearance, this geographic region was entirely abandoned and therefore open to European settlement? I doubt that was any author's intention. Unfortunately, that's how the article reads. I wish to urge someone familiar with this region's pre-European history to provide some brief background along with links to appropriate articles. I see the hole, but I don't have the expertise to fill it in. Rklawton 16:21, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

• I have brought this article into NPOV standards to read "Southeastern". --Bookofsecrets 19:40, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

WARNING: -Bookofsecrets = editor on loose denies GA was Southern

"Bookofsecrets" is a loose cannon who claims "southern" is a naughty racist word. His only evidence seems to be a highway map. WATCH OUT GEORGIA~ Rjensen 22:47, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Actually, this was fully hashed out in the Tennessee Talk page, and Rjensen lost the argument there. Now he's kicking up the same old dust here. I would encourage folks interested in the details of this discussion to visit Talk:Tennessee. The short version is that "Southern" is a bit POV for the main body of the article (Southern has very specific, historical connotations) and is not very geographically specific. Southeastern doesn't have the historical baggage, and it's much more specific. However, it's all been said already in TN. Rklawton 23:21, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Changing the term changes the history of the state? Huh. Also, you might want to contact the Census Bureau. --Golbez 00:17, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

You are right that the Census Bureau classifies these states as being in the "South" (which is an official census region) rather than the "Southeast". Personally, though, I don't see that it makes any difference which one is used. Unfortunately Bookofsecrets seems somewhat diplomatically-challenged, so the result has been a multi-article edit war. It would be nice if we could start this discussion over without all the hemming and hawing. I would suggest that rather than demanding a change of region terminology, perhaps it would be more productive to try to persuade respected long-standing editors (such as Rjensen) that a change in terminology might somehow improve things (or at least not hurt anything). It seems to me that if both Bookofsecrets and Rklawton would tone down their rhetoric a bit and attempt to build consensus rather than acting so aggressively, we could all reach an amicable solution. Talking about who "won the argument" is not helpful or civil. Kaldari 01:33, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Controversial?

What is controversial about this article exactly? savidan^{(talk) (e@)} 01:34, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

There was one point of controversy, discussed just above this point. However, you're correct that the article as a whole is not controversial. I removed the template, as things seem to have been somewhat resolved. Further discussion, if needed, does not require that the entire article on a US state be listed as "controversial". 68.1.139.172 02:52, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

(Sorry, the above point was from me. Must have gotten logged out. --SuperNova |T|C| 02:54, 15 May 2006 (UTC))

Issue?

Under the title Georgia did not have its beginning as a penal colony, Mary Anne Richardson says that:

"As time went on, settlers objected to the restrictions, looking to the financial success of the plantation economy of South Carolina. In 1750 the trustees reluctantly allowed slavery. By the time the charter expired in 1752, the trustees had become disillusioned. Georgia became a royal colony in 1755 and remained so for the rest of the colonial period. Georgia began as a "noble experiment," it was not a penal colony. I was horrified to see that Wikipedia includes that mistaken notion."

Is this true, and do we need to make some modifications? - Ta bu shi da yu 23:55, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

It looks like the needed changes have been made. I'm glad we've corrected this inaccuracy; thanks for pointing out the letter. (NB: I know the letter writer quite well, so I feel sure she has her facts right. This article as currently written seems to be consistent with the Georgia history I learned.) --SuperNova |T|C| 06:20, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Move Discussion about the Georgia DAB page

Just so people know, it's that time of year again, there is a on going discussion on what page should occupy the topic page of Georgia, this doesn't directly effect this page, but I figured someone would at least give people the heads up. It's over at the country talk page: Talk:Georgia (country)PPGMD 21:59, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

notability of Georgia Allman Brothers Band Association?

A user has been edit-warring for deleting this entry:

• GABBA (Georgia Allman Brothers Band Association), a U.S. non-profit organisation dedicated to preserve the history of the The Allman Brothers Band [1]

from the disambiguation page Gabba, arguing that it's not notable enough to ever have a Wikipedia article, and thus to be listed as a redlink on a dab page.

You can provide information (positive or negative) about it at the discussion page Talk:Gabba so as to help sort it out.

Thanks,

-- 62.147.112.36 15:01, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Why Georgia (U.S. state) and not Georgia (state) or Georgia (USA)?

I don't wanna get mixed up in the disambiguation arguments elsewhere, but I would like to know why Georgia (U.S. state) was chosen as the page name over simpler titles (my favorite is Georgia (state)). I realize that the word state, out of context, can imply sovereign state, but moving this page to Georgia (state) would allow users to reach it directly without using punctuation or capitalization. This is how the French and Spanish pages do it. Alternately, if we are concerned about the ambiguity of the word state, we could move the page to Georgia (USA), as the Italian and Portuguese pages do. (In many other languages, like German, the country and state are spelled differently, allowing for natural disambiguation.) Either way, the page title would be much more natural than it currently is. (It may also ease the pain of any future redirect (gasp!) of Georgia (country) to Georgia. Cheers from Atlanta Alcuin 17:47, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I think the usual meaning of "state" as "sovereign area" would make Georgia (state) far too ambiguous (though it does currently redirect here, as does (USA)). Maybe Georgia (USA) could work, but I think the present term is most precise. Trust me, I hate typing all those periods and capitals as much as the next guy, but this is perhaps the only name for this article that won't invite another massive dispute. --SuperNova |T|C| 00:07, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

It appears from WP:NCA#Acronyms as disambiguators that Georgia (US) or Georgia (US state) would be preferred to Georgia (U.S. state) -- JHunterJ 00:16, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Climate

Just added a section on climate(where there was not one), because I think that is a must for a US state article. Consider that many of the people who read the Georgia article might be someone traveling to Georgia curious as to what to wear or someone considering relocating to the state of Georgia(yeah, I know- just what Georgia needs, more Yankees). Anyway, although I've spent much time in Georgia (as someone who lived in Florida, but took many weekend trips there) I'm sure many people could come up with a better section than me. But I figured I'd at least start it. Jcam 14:50, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

24.99.142.106:

I reverted your wholesale edits of the climate section because you appeared to have no good reason for the changes you made. If you did, you left the reason(s) out of your edit summaries. Jcam[2]and I provided what I thought was a good start to the climate section. I added on to Jcam's edits. In contrast, you didn't appear to leave any part of our edits untouched. If you had (greatly) improved the quality, there would be no issue. But your edits leave much to be desired. Your contained a lot of prose but few facts and even fewer verifiable facts. Let's break it down:

Georgia's climate varies with elevation perhaps greater in comparison to other southeastern states.

Perhaps greater? This is not verified and maybe not even verifiable. It relies on the weasel word "perhaps" to make half a claim. Maybe the difference in climate between far southeastern and far northeastern corners of the state is due a combination of elevation, latitude, and proximity to the Atlantic Ocean, and not just elevation. If we can find that a reliable source has done this analysis, perhaps it could be included, but not before then.

Georgia is often classified as having a Humid Subtropical climate with distinct wet or dry seasons.

Often classified? By whom? Does all of Georgia have distinct wet and dry seasons? Does Clayton, GA have a distinct dry season? If so, what season is it? Summer (June-July-August (the meteorological defintion of Summer))? With an average of 5.673" per month? What is the dry season in Columbus, GA? Fall (Sept.-Oct.-Nov.)? What is the dry season in Savannah, GA? Winter (Dec.-Jan.-Feb.)? Does each part of Georgia have a different part of the year for their dry season (and wet season)?

What about Valdosta's dry season? Fall, right? Or is it spring? What about Atlanta? I can't even make a guess. I can only say that the dry season is not in July, March, or January.

The uniform summertime weather on any given particular day anywhere in the state can be described as day time temperatures anywhere between 85-105 degrees farenheit with overnight lows ranging from 60-80 degrees.

I'm not sure what "uniform summertime weather" or "on any given particular day anywhere" means. How often do highs reach 105 in Georgia in the summer? Once every 4 years? Every 5 years? It's just a guess without looking for a source, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't happen very often.

However in the low country region the temperature is often moderate with higher levels of humidity compared to central and northern parts of Georgia.

Where is the "low country region"? If it's, let's say, east of an Augusta-Valdosta, line, it sounds reasonable if you're referring to absolute humidity (dewpoint) and not relative humidity (I would guess that the higher hills of northern Georgia might frequently have higher relative humidity). But there's no source for your claim.

For example on an extremely hot day temperature in Macon all the way up to the Rome area including all of Metro Atlanta may top anywhere from 98-105 degrees while places like Savannah and Valdosta may be anywhere from 95-100 but with 10 degrees higher dew points.

You're giving specifics but no sources. Also, I think it would be hard to give a source for "an extremely hot day". Maybe you could find data on the average highest yearly temperature (the single hottest temperature of each year averaged together) or dewpoint for these locations, and especially average high temperatures and average afternoon dewpoints.

In July and August Drought and Heat Advisory are often posted for the North and Central parts of the state.

How often? It needs a source. "Often" can be interpreted many ways and it appears to function as a weasel word in this sentence.

Winters in Most of Georgia with the exception of the Mountainous areas are fairly mild with temperatures ranging from 40-70 degrees during the daytime and 20-50 degrees during the night.

Same as above. There're no sources. At what site is 40 the average high? Is this an unofficial mountaintop site or an official NWS site? Looking at Clayton, GA again the average high in January is 49 °F. Where in the state is the average low 50 °F? Brunswick, in the far southeast corner on the Atlantic coast, has an average low in January of 44 °F. I would think this is among the warmest (if not the warmest) average nighttime lows in the state. If you can find a reliable source that says otherwise, perhaps we can include it. Where in the state averages 70 °F for a high in the winter? Valdosta appears to be the warmest, averaging 64 °F in January and under 70 °F for the whole winter.

The Metro Atlanta area on average sees measurable snowfall amounts about once every 2 to 3 years.

I would think that it's more often than that. This claim lacks a source.

Icestorms, hard freezes, and gloomy seemingly unending rain are more frequent weather occurences throughtout the state.

This reads a poem and not an encyclopedia. How does one verify that the rain that falls in Georgia is "gloomy" and "seemingly unending"?

Unlike the rest of the country Winters in Georgia are accompanied with more than abundant mild days through the majority of the state.

Who defines "more than abundant"? What about "mild"? Someone in south Florida might think a mild winter day is one where the temperature reaches 70 °F. Someone in northern Michigan call a winter day where the temperature reaches 45 °F a mild day. Why risk being ambiguous when we have data that we can use to make the point?

Below zero recordings have never occured in most parts south of the fall line.

South of where? The fall line? Where are the sources.

I haven't even talked yet about all of the capitalization, grammar, and other MOS mistakes, but I don't want to beat a dead horse. The version prior to your edits had sources which were deleted without explanation. As you have been warned before several times before (User_talk:24.99.142.106), and I've just discussed your recents edits to this article (both reasons for reverting and recommendations for how you could better contribute in the future), I hope you will start making more constructive edits. Thanks. Ufwuct 17:29, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Ok than you for tearing the mysterious editor new hole, but remember when your writing that climate section you writing to readers internationally, I suggest you drop your arrogance and take a look at other southeastern states sections on climate.

P.S. not everone understands your meteorlogical terms, why not write a section from a unbiased point of view rather than summing it up with difficult words from both of you to say "Georgia is unbelievably mild" or "Georgia is unbelievably hot"

Spain And England?

Shouldnt the article on Spain and England be expanded? For such does anyone have dates for the beginning or even the end of this battle?. "After decades of fighting, the Carolinians and allied Indians permanently destroyed the Spanish mission system during the invasions of 1702 and 1704. After 1704, Spanish control was limited to St. Augustine and Pensacola." A peace treaty, or the specific day? I find this very important and troubling that I can not find this information. Tgcomicman 15:51, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

There's more information about the Carolinian and Indian destruction of Spanish Florida in the pages Apalachee Massacre, James Moore (South Carolina politician), and Colonial period of South Carolina (esp the section "War of Augustino"). I was surprised to learn this bit of rarely taught American history. I was first clued into it when seeing on an old map some text in north Florida that said something like "The Carolina English defeated the Spanish in two memorable battles in 1702 and 1704". I thought, memorable? Seems to have been forgotten now!

I don't think there was a peace treaty, unless it was the general peace between England and Spain. The Florida battles took place during a larger war between the two nations. I'm not sure if the specific date is known. I'll check an excellent book I have with very detailed information on this era and region called "The Indian Slave Trade" by Alan Gallay. I could add some info to this article later if I find the time, although it is not directly related to the history of Georgia, since these events pre-date the founding of Georgia by some decades... still it arguably made the English colony of Georgia possible. Pfly 21:23, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

University System of Georgia

One of the colleges that you left out of the list of the Georgia university system is Bainbridge Community College in Decatur county. Jim

Important cities and towns

The section Important cities and towns seems to be getting a bit long and perhaps out of hand. While I don't want to pick on any one community, the last town listed is Pembroke, population 2,379 - can that really be considered an "important" city or town? This highlights that the whole section may suffer from a POV problem. Additionally, the section now lists suburbs, micropolitan areas and even militaty bases. My suggestion is that it be renamed to something like Largest cities, with the rest of the information listified. There may be other ways to re-organize this that may more sense. Any thoughts?--Tlmclain | Talk 23:31, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Changed to Major cities and towns. I made a judgment call and left the military bases in. They are among the state's largest communities. -- Rob C (Alarob) 01:33, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Rob C - good changes. At least with respect to the metropolitan Atlanta area, the information is adequately handled by Template:Atlanta Metro. Thanks for making a move.--Tlmclain | Talk 03:53, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I think it is important to somehow note that those populations are for each of the MSAs not the cities listed. For instance I know Valdosta's population is nowhere over 100k+. The table looks good, but can we better emphasize that these are populations of each individual MSA? --Mjrmtg 12:50, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Large cities

City Name	City Population	Metropolitan Area Population
Atlanta	416,474	4,917,717

Good point. Perhaps a table like this:

Unfortunately, I can't work on this right now and the table needs some research and clean-up(the data for Atlanta is a mix of the 2000 census data for the city population and the 2005 estimate for the metro area). If somebody else doesn't get to it first, I'll work on it when I can.--Tlmclain | Talk 13:45, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I really like that table idea :) --Mjrmtg 13:56, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

New Table Inserted

In accordance with the above discussion, I have inserted a table under Major cities and military bases. Feel free to edit it. I also think that the micropolitan areas should now be deleted from this section.--Tlmclain | Talk 05:09, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I love the new table, thanks for adding it. The micropolitan areas should either have a table also like this one, or just be deleted. --Mjrmtg 14:02, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I am doing a project, and some of this information is wrong. Georgia can't be the 11th most densely populated state at an average of 141 inhabitants per sq mile, when Indiana is 16th at 169 per sq mi!.

New proposed WikiProject

There is now a proposed WikiProject to deal with the state of Georgia at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Georgia. Any parties interested in taking part in such a project should indicate as much there, so that we can know if there is sufficient interest to create it. Thank you. Badbilltucker 16:53, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Weather chart problem

The lows in F are messed up! Someone should fix it! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.111.143.76 (talk) 13:30, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Error introduced by User:71.111.143.76 has been rolled back. The numbers on each line are intended to be Fahrenheit followed by Celsius. Bovlb 19:43, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Suggestions for bringing Georgia (U.S. state) up to Good Article (and possibly FA) status

I've been looking over this article for a while now, trying to figure out how to 1) make it more manageable (It's quite long) and 2) bring it up to Good Article or Featured Article status. Some ideas are:

• Summarize long sections such as: Geography's Climate subsection; History; Demographic's Race, Language, and Age subsection; Economy; Law and Government; Education to at most four paragraphs for each.

• Either create a Geography article or merge geography information into the Geology of Georgia (U.S. state) article so that it is changed to "Geography and Geology of Georgia U.S. state)".

• Create an Economy of Georgia (U.S. state) article

• Create a Government of Georgia (U.S. state) article

• Create an Education of Georgia (U.S. state) article

Opinions? Reb 22:30, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Suggestions based on comparison with Minnesota (FA)

• Geography should be divided into sections: Geology and terrain, Flora and fauna, Climate and Protected lands. All sections should have daughter articles.
• Major cities and military bases should be split. A Cities and towns section should be created perhaps another section for Military bases. Minnesota makes no mention of military bases.
• Economy should be divided into Industry and commeerce, Energy use and production and State taxes. Military bases are mentioned here as well (perhaps they belong here).
• A daughter article for Transportation in Georgia (U.S. state) should be created and summarized here.
• Our section on Law and government appears to be better than Minnesota's. Still, the section should be given a good copy-edit and proper cites.
• A section on Culture with subsections: Fine and performing arts, Literature, Popular Culture. Minnesota has a section on entertainment, but I would group this under Fine and performing arts. Perhaps a section on Film as well to note those works filmed in the state.
• Section on Health. Describe the healthcare infrastructure.
• Education should be prosified with links to List of colleges and universities in Georgia (U.S. state), List of high schools in Georgia and List of school districts in Georgia (U.S. state).
• Section on Media, include TV, radio, newspapers and periodicals.
• Sports and recreation section with daughter article on Sports in Georgia.
• Section on State insignia (State bird, flower, tree etc.)

I hope these are useful. *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 16:03, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Ganymead,

Based on your suggestions I started looking over the Geography section and began editing in my sandbox. Take a look if you get a moment, please. Work still needs to be done on Geology and terrain and Flora and fauna, but I've begun a section on Protected lands (basically copied & pasted Park info into a new section).Reb 16:45, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Reb, looks good. I would, however, remove the second paragraph as it really has little to do with geography. The state capital is pointed out elsewhere. Additionally, look at Geology of Georgia (U.S. state), it states there are four geological divisions to the state, I remember learning three in school, but you may check on that. *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 17:54, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Ganymead: I thought there were three, too. But, according to the source the person used there are indeed four.

Help!!

Someone (Who knows about wikitablesyntax) do something about "Major cities and military bases", something went wrong and now just LOOK at it! It's sidescrolling and utterly unreadable! 68.39.174.238 03:17, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Since fixed. Thanks to whomever took care of this. -- Satori Son 16:45, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Article edits and additions

• Geography should be divided into sections: Geology and terrain, Flora and fauna, Climate and Protected lands. All sections should have daughter articles.
• Major cities and military bases should be split. A Cities and towns section should be created perhaps another section for Military bases. Minnesota makes no mention of military bases.
• Economy should be divided into Industry and commerce (Actually Agriculture and industry for right now), Energy use and production and State taxes. Military bases are mentioned here as well (perhaps they belong here).
• A daughter article for Transportation in Georgia (U.S. state) should be created and summarized here.

*Our section on Law and government appears to be better than Minnesota's. Still, the section should be given a good copy-edit and proper cites. *A section on Culture with subsections: Fine and performing arts, Literature, Popular Culture. Minnesota has a section on entertainment, but I would group this under Fine and performing arts. Perhaps a section on Film as well to note those works filmed in the state.

• Section on Health. Describe the health care infrastructure.
• Education should be prosified with links to List of colleges and universities in Georgia (U.S. state), List of high schools in Georgia and List of school districts in Georgia (U.S. state).
• Section on Media, include TV, radio, newspapers and periodicals.
• Sports and recreation section with daughter article on Sports in Georgia.
• Section on State insignia (State bird, flower, tree etc.)

Reb 11:56, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Royal colony - crown colony?

I notice the term 'royal colony' has been used. From an Australian perspective this sounds odd. In Australia a colony started or supported by the British Govt would be called a crown colony. This implies that the authority of the colony is in the name of the crown (the Govt). Royal colony sounds like the king or queen owns the colony themselves. The Govt of Britain exercises its power under the name of the crown (queen or king of England). Any ideas? Ozdaren 09:12, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

You're probably right that it needs to be changed, Ozdaren. In checking the Province of Georgia article it mentions that Georgia changed from a proprietary colony to a crown colony. 11:28, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

That looks a lot better. Ozdaren 15:11, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Cities Images

In the Cities section of the article there are three images, two of Atlanta and one of Macon. All three are great images, but are three needed? I think the section would be fine with just one image. Opinions? Reb 22:05, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Naming of Georgia

Does anyone know how Georgia was named? Osillaj 17:06, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Georgia was named for England's King George II who granted the charter for the colony in 1732. AUTiger » talk 18:04, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

If this explanation is indeed correct, I suggest that it be incorporated into the "History" section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.199.244.100 (talk) 16:57, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Cobb

Can anyone please take a look at Cobb, Georgia? Is it the same as Cobb County, Georgia? --Amir E. Aharoni 07:05, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

It's not the same as Cobb County. You can find the unincorporated community of Cobb, Georgia via Google Maps[3] - just a bit west of Lake Blackshear and Cordele, Georgia in south Georgia (Cobb County is a part of metro Atlanta). The page should probably be AfD'd as non-notable; the pecan orchard claim is dubious and almost certainly unsourced/unverifiable. AUTiger » talk 14:03, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Yep, i found it on Google, but wasn't sure of what to make of it.

The page is very poor, but isn't a community notable by definition?

As for pecan - the largest orchard claim is unsourced, but when i tried to Google for that place, Pecan street came up everywhere. So maybe it really is a place of orchards ... or is it just a common street name?

If you know what it is, can you please at least write that? That it's an unincorporated community or whatever?

Is there some kind of a directory of such communities? --Amir E. Aharoni 14:22, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Just went to the Cobb, Georgia article and added that it is an unincorporated community. Also began an infobox and added a reference. Reb 14:53, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, a community in the rural US is a small grouping of people/homes often around a crossroads, with undefined boundaries and too small to form any type of immediate government. As to notability, by comparison, a small incorporated town just to the west of Cobb is Leslie, Georgia with only 455 residents; Cobb is even smaller. I also added some info to the article. AUTiger » talk 19:45, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

It's just lovely how a beginner Wikipedia user creates an article about a totally unimportant place and then a bunch of unrelated people who have very little to do with it improve it.

Now i want to go to the USA, just to see the place. And maybe start a fire in the largest pecan orchard in the world, to verify the information about the fire department. Ehh ... nevermind. --Amir E. Aharoni 20:27, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I suggested AfD right off the bat. AUTiger » talk 22:20, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Waycross, Georgia

I thought the saying goes that Waycross is the "biggest city in the biggest county in the biggest state east of the Mississippi (River)". But on Wikipedia, Georgia is listed as 24th in size and Florida is listed as 22nd in size so the saying isn't true. Are these state sizes correct? --Mjrmtg 01:38, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Depends whether water is included in calculating the area. Qqqqqq (talk) 17:01, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Southern Region

The reference to "Southern Region" in the first sentence may be a bit confusing to non-Americans. To a foreigner reading this article, "southern region" would put Georgia in the same zone as Arizona and New Mexico. "Southern Region" is a geo-political term refering to the former north/south division of the U.S. However, it makes more sense to use a geographic reference in the article's first sentence, for example: "Georgia (IPA: /ˈdʒɔːɹ.dʒə/) is a state in the southeastern region of the United States of America..." The whole north/south "southern region" CSA matter rates its own paragraph in the lead. Other geography-related articles list their subjects geographic position in the first sentence, so this case really stands out. Thoughts? Rklawton 14:34, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I think "xyz region" an overly verbose and awkward construction, period. How about simply "Georgia is a state in the southeastern United States of America..."? AUTiger » talk 15:17, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree, Autiger. However, instead of southeastern United States of America why not Southeastern United States? —Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnnyReb1977 (talk • contribs) 20:55, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Excellent! Rklawton 20:42, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Sure; fine with me. AUTiger » talk 21:27, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Droughts

I have added the fact that Georgia has had bad droughts 2 years in a row. I am a Georgian, so I know what I am talking about.

I read that reputable scientists saying these droughts are a predicted evidence of Global Warming, and that continued Global Warming will make them continually worse, someone should hunt this down and add it to the article too. Torquemama007 01:57, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

First, the drought statement needs a releiable source (if one isn't there already), else it is just Original research. Second, the "Global Warming" controversy should be kept out of the article, as it is NOT a universally-accepted concept, especially in regard to the drought in GA. Some climatoligists attribute the dorought to the absence of active hurricane seasons in 2006 and 07. By the way, these same Global warming scientists predicted bad hurrican seasons to continue after the 2005 season, and they have been wrong for to years now. So, if you do insist on including the claims that GLobal warming has caused/affected the drought, be sure to include statements and sources on the opposing views. - BillCJ 02:04, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Proposal to move Georgia

Hey everyone, I thought some of you might be interested in a poll that's currently underway over a proposal to move Georgia. The discussion is taking place here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Georgia#Updated_Poll You can see the archived discussion of a previous poll on that issue here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Georgia/Archive1#Poll Helvetica 20:48, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Original research?

I've been wondering about something and going back and forth over whether I should mention it or not; I finally decided I needed to. Under the Confederate subsection in the History section is a section entitled Struggles for educational equality. It was added on the 20th of November of last year by a DocStudent. Does this look like original research to anyone else? If not, should it still be where it is? That history section is getting rather long. I would think the information would be wonderful in an Education in Georgia (U.S. state) article if it can be verified. Consensus? Reb (talk) 22:47, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

18th largest economy in the world

I've added {{Verify credibility}} to the statement in the /*Economy*/ section as the site http://www.viennageorgia.info/ is not an authoratative ((WP:Reliable))source of macroeconomic information and the statement If Georgia were a stand-alone country, it would be the 18th largest economy in the world. is implausable. I believe the statement should be removed as User: 208.102.203.7 did. Toddst1 (talk) 19:11, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Here are a couple other sites that mention that fact:

• georgia.stateguidesusa.com
• www.epictrip.com

I wish I could find transcripts of Governor Perdue's 2006 and 2007 State of the State address. I know he mentioned the fact during one of those two addresses; I watch State of the State addresses as much as possible (missed it this year) and that fact has always stuck with me. Reb (talk) 20:06, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

A little more information. It seems I was slightly off; according to last year's State of the State address, we would be the 17th and not 18th largest economy in the world:

If Georgia were a stand alone country, we would have the 17th largest economy in the world.

2007 State of the State address Reb (talk) 20:21, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I believe the statement should read:

"The state's GDP is larger than all nations' except the largest 16."

in order to be correct. "If Georgia were a stand alone country" is an implausible condition and if it were not, why would one assume the GDP would be the same? However, good job with the citation. Toddst1 (talk) 22:03, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I'll fix that with the new wording and the State of the State cite, then. Reb (talk) 22:49, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, but a governor's State of the State address promoting the subject in question is not a reliable source. Keep looking. AUTiger » talk 00:53, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

If we were to use the $380 billion figure that's given in the article and is a reliable source (although it seems to be from 2005, rather than 2006 as the article states) we can then look at Wikipedia's list of countries by GDP and, using the 2006 World Bank list in that article, place Georgia's economy just ahead of Switzerland, in twentieth place. 128.2.17.193 (talk) 18:15, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Education

I'm confused, what's the point of linking to an article that is a list of school and then providing an incomplete copy of the same list right underneath said link? -- Jelly Soup (talk) 01:37, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't think there is a point. I think we should cut it (and, probably, move one or more of the images in that section to their respective list pages). Aylad (talk) 16:57, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Good idea. I just did it.
--JKeene (talk) 17:38, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I just added information about high school standardized testing in Georgia; as this is my first major edit to any article, I'd appreciate feedback. Aylad (talk) 20:17, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Music

The first line of the second paragraph is a shameless plug (and probably vandalism) for the band The Black Crowes, and should be removed. Anyone opposed?

Diyforlife (talk) 06:54, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

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two revisions

I first removed obvious vandalism, then reverted a series of edits which appear to be spam advertising. The magazine being (probably) advertised is a redlink to a magazine which does not appear, based on a hasty Google search, to be especially notable. If the Post magazine is notable and deserves a place in the article, consider finding a better place for it – the former location appears to violate WP:UNDUE. Aylad ['ɑɪlæd] 17:17, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Small revision under 'music'

I removed the shameless plug for the band the Black Crowes. It's certainly non-encyclopedic content and has no place here.

Diyforlife (talk) 01:20, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Citing issue

Could someone more comfortable with cite web go into citation #14 and fix it, please? The reference section is a complete mess and I think that one cite is the culprit. Thanks. Reb (talk) 21:49, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Fixed this. --84.240.9.105 (talk) 08:18, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Invasion by russia

My section about russia's invasion is consistently being censored.

I keep adding:

Invasion By Russia

On August 7, 2008 Georgian forces entered South Ossetia, which is situated on the border with Russia, in an attempt to bring the region under government control. On August 8, while the world media was almost entirely focused on the opening ceremony of the 2008 Summer Olympics in Beijing, Russian military forces retaliated by entering South Ossetia and allegedly launching a series of airstrikes against Georgian forces (and, according to Georgian president Mikheil Saakashvili, civilian targets outside of the actual conflict zone). Russia has denied doing this. Due to the intensive war activity in South Ossetia there are controversial reports about the possible casualties on both sides, targets which have fallen under aerial attacks, troop movements and the current front line between the Georgian and Russian-Ossetian combat groupings.

Please stop reverting it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.245.186.56 (talk • contribs) 2008-08-11T18:42:33

You want to edit Georgia (country), not the U.S state. — Kagee 18:51, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Invasion by russia

Now my contrib in georgia's talk page is being censored!

I added a section about russia's invasion of georgia , but it constantly is being reverted. Please stop this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.245.186.56 (talk) 18:52, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Please read my comment. — Kagee 18:54, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Please go to the Georgia (country) page or its talk page and add it there. Nsaa (talk) 18:57, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Current Events

Why is there no coverage whatsoever of the recent Russian invasion of a U.S. state???? The whole western world is outraged over this strategic incursion, yet Wikipedians will hardly lift a finger to do as much as ammending the history section and adding an ongoing events tag. The viability of the free encyclopedia project certainly does not vouch very much for itself, given the total "blackout." 166.217.252.101 (talk) 00:31, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

• The conflict you're thinking of is between Russia and the country of Georgia. The State not been invaded. Reb (talk) 01:55, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Biggest state east of Mississippi in terms of land

According to wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_area Michigan has more land than Georgia, someone please make this edit on the page.

Florida and Wisconsin also exceed Georgia's area. Geologyguy 14:33, 6 July 2007 (UTC) Oops, never mind, the Georgia article has the correct qualification of land area vs total area. Geologyguy 14:35, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Still, Michigan has more land than Georgia and is east of the Mississippi River, someone please change the Georgia article.

According to the World Almanac, Michigan's land area is 56,804 sq mi; Georgia's is 57,906. Geologyguy 14:13, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

The Wikipedia article says differently

This says Georgia: 57,906 sq mi, Michigan: 56,804 sq mi. National Geographic Atlas says Georgia 58,876, Michigan 58,216. This says Georgia 57,919, Michigan 56,809. US Census says Georgia 57,919, Michigan 56,809. So, World Almanac, US Census, National Geographic, and others, OR Wikipedia. You make the call. Cheers Geologyguy 00:01, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

wikipedia does not say differently. The anonymous user above is simply misreading the table. Unfortunately, on List_of_U.S._states_by_area the states are ranked first by total area (land + internal_waters). Conventional rankings use land area only, presumably because the practice of including water-area is at best ambiguous and debatable. Fhue (talk) 06:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Semi-protection?

This article has been suffering a large amount of nearly non-stop vandalism lately. I think we should semi-protect it for a while.PiccoloNamek (talk) 18:35, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes, please. Qqqqqq (talk) 20:56, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

I just submitted it. You probably already did a while back, but there is more vandalism now... Wikihelper12 (talk) 01:16, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Largest Cities

This lists Waycross as having 75,000+ people. No way does it have that many. I was there and the population sign said something like 15,000 people. 99.26.91.2 (talk) 02:29, 22 September 2009 (UTC)Bella Sue

You're absolutely right. The population of Waycross is around 15,000 and the Waycross Micropolitan Statistical Area is just above 54,000. I've tried to fix the errors and have entered all the latest US Census Bureau updates for 2008 (just released July 1, 2009).Mason.Jones (talk) 22:02, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

History

Is it just me or is the History section a little sparse after the end of the Civil War. No mention of Jim Crow laws, no mention of the Civil Rights movement. What's up?--Cdogsimmons (talk) 06:12, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

McDonald

Of course Larry McDonald is not a symbol. But the section is Facts and Symbols. And there are other items in this section that are facts, rather than symbolsBert Schlossberg (talk) 20:36, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

That fact seems pretty out of place there. That section is things like the state song and such. Some factoid from history that is in no way official doesn't belong there. Under the History section, perhaps? Qqqqqq (talk) 05:06, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Can you move that to a section where it makes more sense? I'm going to remove it from the "facts and symbols" section. Qqqqqq (talk) 02:55, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Secession - NPOV tag

The position of the US gov't is that no state ever successfully seceded from the US (See Texas v. White). Saying any state officially seceded is POV. Some also claim it would be POV to assert a state did NOT secede. Instead, at very least at first mention, it would be appropriate to say they "declared a secession" - which is not in contention. This has been the way this issue has been dealt with at American Civil War and Confederate States of America - and so it should be dealt with everywhere. The states are also sometimes referred to as "seceding" or "attempting a secession". WP:NPOV requires that wikipedia not take a position on whether any states seceded - regardless of what any sources might say. (Text within quotes is a different matter.) --JimWae (talk) 09:06, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

The position of the US gov't is absolutely correct. The secession failed. (See wikt:secede or esp. wikt:secession.) 'Declared a secession' is horrid English, and 'declared their secession' (in reference to a capable political body) means 'seceded.' Taking the legal wrangling at face value, you would simply say they 'revolted' or 'rebeled,' but the language in Texas v. White was (as the dissent notes) always specious: it's not as if Texas seated its representatives during or was welcomed smoothly back into the Union following the war. -LlywelynII (talk) 22:28, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

So you would take the position that Georgia never declared their secession? Torquemama007 (talk) 15:35, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Film and Movies

I was just looking over this article and noticed that there is a new Movie section in the Media portion of the article. Is it really necessary to have a Film section and a Movie section? Reb (talk) 17:59, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Move to Georgia (US)

From the archive:

I don't wanna get mixed up in the disambiguation arguments elsewhere, but I would like to know why Georgia (U.S. state) was chosen as the page name over simpler titles (my favorite is Georgia (state)). I realize that the word state, out of context, can imply sovereign state, but moving this page to Georgia (state) would allow users to reach it directly without using punctuation or capitalization. This is how the French and Spanish pages do it. Alternately, if we are concerned about the ambiguity of the word state, we could move the page to Georgia (USA), as the Italian and Portuguese pages do. (In many other languages, like German, the country and state are spelled differently, allowing for natural disambiguation.) Either way, the page title would be much more natural than it currently is. (It may also ease the pain of any future redirect (gasp!) of Georgia (country) to Georgia. Cheers from Atlanta Alcuin 17:47, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

• My favorite is "Georgia", which is how the Georgian WP does it (though in a different script)! - BilCat (talk) 14:39, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

I think the usual meaning of "state" as "sovereign area" would make Georgia (state) far too ambiguous (though it does currently redirect here, as does (USA)). Maybe Georgia (USA) could work, but I think the present term is most precise. Trust me, I hate typing all those periods and capitals as much as the next guy, but this is perhaps the only name for this article that won't invite another massive dispute. --SuperNova |T|C| 00:07, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

It appears from WP:NCA#Acronyms as disambiguators that Georgia (US) or Georgia (US state) would be preferred to Georgia (U.S. state) -- JHunterJ 00:16, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Move Request

The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was: Not Moved. Station1 (talk) 02:14, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

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Georgia (U.S. state) → Georgia (US) — I would like to revive this motion that we move Georgia (U.S. state) to Georgia (US). I get it that "U.S. State" is the most logical corollary to "country," but there simply isn't a Georgia Territory we're disambiguating from here that we need something so clunky. (This seems so common sensical. Is the only reason this hasn't happened yet that it would embolden the Georgia (country) > Georgia crowd?) -LlywelynII (talk) 22:38, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose move to Georgia (US). "U.S. state" is better if it must be disambiguated, but I think "US state" would be even better. I still prefer just plain Georgia for the title, as the country actually has a different name in its own language. The only reason the state is not at the undisambiguated title is because it's in the US, where its fashionable for US citizens to be dismissive of their own country, and cow-tow to the oppression of other nations' citizens. You can be darn sure if this same situation involved a subdivision of the UK, it would be at the undisambiguated title! But that's a whole other dicussion! - BilCat (talk) 02:30, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
  • Unless you're proposing moving the country article to საქართველო, I don't see how it matters that the country has a different name in its own language. I agree that the US vs UK arguments belong to another discussion, though. Jafeluv (talk) 23:31, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
    • I have no problem with Sakartvelo, its Latin alphabet equivalent, since that is its actual name. - BilCat (talk) 19:18, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
      • Well, I have a problem with calling the article Sakartvelo, since we're supposed to use the most common English-language name of the subject of the article. The "actual name" of a subject depends on what language you're using. Jafeluv (talk) 19:37, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
        • I have no problem with Georgia (country) being the article's title either. I simply state that we should use the undisambiguated name for the state. Don't worry, you can answer that when I propose the move once thic one is closed. :) - BilCat (talk) 20:02, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
          • Yay! Jafeluv (talk) 20:06, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose. Once we are forced to disambiguate at all, might as well do it clearly. A foreign reader doesn't know what to expect with this new title. Is there some other use? A person's name? A song? An anthem? A school? It is clear now. Let's leave it alone. Student7 (talk) 14:37, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
• Support, I think it's obvious too. People will know that Georgia (US) means the US state, not a song or a band, which would be Georgia (song) or Georgia (band). Torquemama007 (talk) 15:37, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
  • Comment. Why be vague and ambiguous when we can be clear and unambiguous? Student7 (talk) 22:35, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose for consistency's sake, and work, since any rename will ripple through tonnes of articles and hundreds of categories and all the articles in all those categories. This would just load down the servers. 70.29.210.242 (talk) 09:43, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose less clear than "U.S. state". I wouldn't object to "US state" without the periods. But US by itself can mean too many things (in fact, wasn't .us the domain name for the Soviet Union?). --Trovatore (talk) 09:48, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose: in no case should we be using British style abbreviations (US, without periods) for American places. "U.S." is the appropriate abbreviation, if needed. - Nunh-huh 10:30, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
  • digression: Actually I wouldn't call the no-periods "British style" — lots of Americans use it, including me. It's probably true that it's relatively more common in British writing than in American writing, but that's a little different. --Trovatore (talk) 20:43, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
• Comment. While we're at it, how about Georgia, United States? That would at least be somewhat closer to what is done with every other country. The naming convention actually says: "With the names of cities, towns, villages and other settlements, as well as administrative divisions, the tag is normally preceded by a comma, as in Hel, Poland and Polk County, Tennessee." Jafeluv (talk) 10:58, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
  • I'd go for that too. Why is Georgia seemingly apart from the rest of Wikipedia in this policy? btw, not buying the anon objection above over loading down servers, it's a fraction of what's done here day to day. Torquemama007 (talk) 14:49, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
    • Exactly. Jafeluv (talk) 16:53, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
      • Georgia is not a city, town, village, or settlement, nor is it an "administrative division". - BilCat (talk) 17:08, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
        • How is it not an administrative division? Jafeluv (talk) 17:20, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
          • • Because a US state is not an administrative division - it's a constituatnet state of a federation. - BilCat (talk) 19:13, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
          • another digression: To me "administrative division" suggests something that has its own level of bureaucracy, plus maybe a few civil ordinances, but certainly not a major body of civil and criminal law. States in the United States are much more autonomous than that. The bulk of law that directly affects the individual is made up of state laws, not federal. --Trovatore (talk) 21:01, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
            • Well, it's not like we have to start guessing what the term means. For example, we have an informative article on the subject, as well as a table of administrative divisions by country. Jafeluv (talk) 21:10, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
              • Umm. Frankly, I think the administrative division article is simply wrong. --Trovatore (talk) 21:12, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
                • That's of course quite possible – after all, we are the "encyclopedia that anyone can edit". Sadly, the article is also rather inadequately sourced. Would an external source like the CIA World Factbook convince you? Jafeluv (talk) 21:17, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
                  • Well. It looks like the term is sometimes used in this way. I would expect Georgians to take offense at it, though. US states are jealous of their sovereignty, even though it's a limited sort of sovereignty.
                  • In any case it's a side point — I actually think Georgia, United States is not a bad solution in isolation. It's certainly better than Georgia (United States), which to me sort of implies that Georgia is the United States, or is "a United States" or some such. The problem is that it looks like a systematic solution that would be applied to the other states as well, and it isn't — this is the only US state that needs to be disambiguated, and the comma solution is not for disambiguation per se. --Trovatore (talk) 23:52, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
                    • The comma solution is used for disambiguation, and in fact it's the preferred method instead of parentheses in geographical articles. I quoted the naming convention in my original post, but here's the link again for convenience: Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names)#Disambiguation. It's actually a systematic solution that's applied not only to all states of one country, but to all "cities, towns, villages, settlements and administrative divisions" of all countries, except where there is a conflicting national convention which takes precedence (and in those cases they usually have a good reason for using a different format). Jafeluv (talk) 00:04, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
                      • Well, it's certainly not the systematic solution in practice, in other countries either. Check out Chiapas, Bihar, Quintana Roo, Saskatchewan. Those were just the first four I tried. --Trovatore (talk) 00:09, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose -- for simplicity and clarity. Maurreen (talk) 15:41, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose As someone who works primarily on disambiguation pages, I would much rather simply link to "Georgia (U.S. state)", which is nicely self-explanatory, than "Georgia (US), a state in the United States." Propaniac (talk) 19:48, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose It should be made clear at first glance, that it is an article about a US State. --JokerXtreme (talk) 13:21, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
  • So why don't we do that for all of them then? Kansas (U.S. state)? Washington (U.S. state)? New Mexico (U.S. state)? Torquemama007 (talk) 18:45, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
    • Because their names don't have to be disambiguated! Preemptive disambiguation is unnecessary. In the case of Washington State, it probably should be disambiguated, as the city and the man have as big a claim on the name as the state does, if not more. - BilCat (talk) 19:11, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
      • There's a pretty big band called Kansas. And couldn't New Mexico be confused with a modernized Mexico? And aren't all of their 'University of' schools truncated the same way? Since you mention cities: New York (U.S. state)? Montana (U.S. state) to avoid confusion with Hannah Montana? Dakota (U.S. state) to avoid confusion with Dakota Fanning? Mississippi (U.S. state) to avoid confusion with the River? Torquemama007 (talk) 19:26, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
        • In those cases the states don't need disambiguating, since they are the primary topic for that name. If you disagree with that, the place to discuss it is on the talk page of that state's article, not here. Jafeluv (talk) 19:35, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose as immediately above. —innotata (Talk • Contribs) 18:42, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Notable Georgia legislators (past and present)

Why do we have a section devoted to notable legislators? First, WP standards now state that all legislators are notable, so this list is inevitably arbitrary if it only includes a few names. Second, why legislators and not governors, businessmen, authors or entertainers? We already have List of people from Georgia (U.S. state) and Category:People from Georgia (U.S. state). If there's no objection I'll delete the section.   Will Beback  talk  16:38, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Concur with Will Beback. All valid points. Student7 (talk) 13:14, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

I removed it a few days ago. - BilCat (talk) 13:24, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Georgia flag

Why is there no mention in the article about the recent controversial (in Georgia, anyway) flag change?

For those unawares, the flag used to have a Confederate flag prominently displayed as part of its design. During former governor Roy Barnes' term, his administration ordered a complete flag redesign that removed the Confederate emblem and replaced the flag with the one we have today. This was done without vote and was quite a controversial move that inevitably led to Roy Barnes' failure to be elected for a second term. Ultimately, Gov. Sonny Perdue was successful in his run for the governorship in part because he promised to hold a vote over the state's flag; he then reneged on this promise, which surprisingly didn't result in very much backlash.

I would be willing to find a source or two and do a little writeup on this event if I have the support of the "regulars" on this article. Of course, I would prefer someone else do a lookover and give it any editing that needs be done to make it sound encyclopedic, as I'm no English major. If not, no biggie, but I feel given it was a flag redesign -even if we remove all traces of politics surrounding it- it is a historically significant event that needs to be mentioned even if only a blurb. I also feel it is significant in that Gov. Sonny Perdue signed into law a Confederate History Month, while his predecessor Roy Barnes redesigned the flag in an attempt to distance Georgia from its Confederate history (a bizarre race-relations move that backfired). Just throwing it out there. - 72.152.137.55 (talk) 12:08, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Nevermind, I just now noticed there's an entire article on the flag itself that explains everything in great detail. My mistake. - 72.152.137.55 (talk) 00:50, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Move to State of Georgia

We should change the main page to the State of Georgia --Gimelthedog (talk) 03:16, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

I sort of prefer the current title, as the Republic of Georgia can be a state as well (in the general sense of the term). AlexiusHoratius 03:21, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose - Current title is more clear. BritishWatcher (talk) 09:41, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Name Origin

Was it named after King George of England or George Washington of the USA? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.105.13.53 (talk) 16:38, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

According to the article, it was named after King George. DCEdwards¹⁹⁶⁶ 16:45, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Also, the name predates George Washington. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.233.44.242 (talk) 13:04, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Religious figures don't seem to match

At least two religions seem to have contradictory information. Baptists comprise 24% of the population, Catholics 12%. Okay, but the numbers of Baptists exceed the number of Catholics by a factor of 5 or 6; by percentage there should be twice as many Baptists. Worse, the Baptists may not count children; Catholics do. Something is wrong with one or the other figure. Student7 (talk) 20:56, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

My guess (and I don't know too much about Baptists) would be that some of them are not members of the Southern Baptist Convention, which would lead to higher numbers in the first set of data (including all Baptists) and seemingly fewer in the second (members of the Southern Baptist Convention). I might be wrong, though. Another issue is using two sets of data from two sources (probably from different years) which is going to lead to mismatching. I don't know what to do about it, though. I tried to deal with it awhile ago at South Dakota, with some difficulty due to similar issues with Lutherans. To be honest I've never really liked that "largest churches by number of adherents" or whatever it is. I think when it comes to religious affiliation, self-identification in surveys, while not perfect, is the way to go. AlexiusHoratius 21:07, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Having used some of the US religious data put out by various organizations, some refer to membership while others refer to actual church attendance. I'd have to look at the original data to know for sure, but I would bet that is where the discrepancy comes from. VictorianMutant (talk) 08:33, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

I agree about Southern Baptists and Baptists, but the figures seems reversed. There are a higher percentage of Southern Baptists to Catholics than there are total Baptists to Catholics. So an investigation seems warranted. Student7 (talk) 21:37, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Categories for discussion nomination for renaming Category:Washington (U.S. state)

Category:Washington (U.S. state) has been nominated for renaming to Category:Washington (state) with the intent of changing all subcats. Category:Georgia (U.S. state) would remain unchanged. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the listing on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:13, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Bar graphs

One of the points of bar charts is to exhibit, graphically, the difference between the top areas and the smaller ones. Not just a matter of a comma or another number. It is vivid. One editor appeared not to like that and reverted the graph for the metro areas. Atlanta dominates the state. A few others can be compared. The rest are not very important to the state's economy. If we don't want to present these figures, fine. List them without figures. But removing the graph is removing the point IMO. And they display the same everywhere. There are no display differences between devices of which I am aware. Student7 (talk) 12:33, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

I added the bars for the metro pops, someone wanted to make the bars obscenely large, so I removed them again. Characterizing it as me "not liking" it is strange, since I was the one to add them in the first place. However, if editors insist on making them over 40em wide, we will need to continue this discussion. Not everyone has a screen that's 1600 pixels wide. Thanks! Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 02:28, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

EOCT Acronym Pronunciation

EOCT: I took these a few years back, and I have never heard anybody pronounce "EOCT" any way other than simply calling out each letter name. Unless there is some sort of standard the DoE has set down to pronounce it "ee-okht," as it says in the article, I move to delete the aside. This strikes me as one person's particular pronunciation, and a strange one at that. (Why the unnecessary, uvular -kh- sound? It makes no sense for American English speakers to say it like this.)Dhicks3 (talk) 21:53, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

I don't understand what you mean? We've always said "E.O.C.T." for "End of Course Tests". Why would an acronym have a particular way of saying it? Tamer_of_Hope talk 13:50, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Cliffhanger

So I was reading the history section of this article and it is as if it has left the reader in bewilderment of what comes next. After thw Civil War period it is as if Georgia had no history to speak of when we all know that is not true. Why is there no research or section dedicated to Reconstruction? Why is there no section on the Civil Right's Movement in Georgia? This history section is a bit of a joke really as there is no post-bellum (after the Civil War) history. Yoganate79 (talk) 20:34, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

All are covered in History of Georgia (U.S. state). Per summary style, three of the history paragraphs here could be axed, in favor of one summary paragraph. Apteva (talk) 17:27, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

I tend to agree that maybe we should expand the history summary, at least into the last century. :) What if we created a few subsections and brought that summary up to date a bit? I'd like to see casual readers of this article (almost 100,000 just this month compared to only 4,000 of the main history article) see that Georgia is a relevant state full of history and culture! What do you guys think? Jami430 (talk) 08:07, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

Georgia (U.S. state) → Georgia (state) – I think the U.S. state of Georgia is more notable per Google search, reaching over 683 million hits as a primary term with the word "state", as to match with Washington (state) in the United States, Acre (state), Paraná (state) and Santa Catarina (state) in Brazil. ApprenticeFan ^work 03:58, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

• Support - While it's true that, technically, the country Georgia is a "state", I doubt it's used that way in anything approaching the use of "state" to describe the US state of Georgia. Certainly, "Georgia (state)" is unlikely to be typed in on EN.WP to find or link to the country. - BilCat (talk) 04:41, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose - what is the advantage to anyone of making the (disambiguation) ambiguous? Acre (state), Paraná (state) and Santa Catarina (state) don't have other nation states to compete with. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:15, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose - Both the U.S. state and the country could be referred to as "Georgia (state)"; it would make the title too ambiguous. Georgia (country) is described as a state on Wikipedia, such as at List of sovereign states, so that would just add unnecessary confusion. Washington (state) does not share that same issue, so that doesn't really support a move. - SudoGhost 07:25, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose - the nation of Georgia is also a "state" by the common definition of that term, so this would increase ambiguity. Also, there is no consensus and never will be any consensus on Wikipedia about which of the two entities is the "primary" one, so attempting to push one ahead is not likely to have any good effects. 168.12.253.66 (talk) 13:51, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose. Since "state" can also mean "country", making the disambiguator itself ambiguous. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:00, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose. If anything, I would go the other way and rename Washington for consistency, leaving the others because there is no ambiguity. It ain't broke so let's not fix it. (And the Georgia I'm in is the state.) --Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 14:13, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
• Comment. The target for Georgia (state) is very unlikely as redirected from the U.S. state. The disambiguation page of Georgia and the targeted redirect above should redirect on "Georgia" disambiguation article.
  
  • And yes, Georgia (state) should be redirected to #REDIRECT [[Georgia]]. ApprenticeFan ^work 15:34, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
• Strong oppose the country of Georgia is a "state", a real state, unlike the US state of Georgia, which is a subnational division of a federal state (USA is a state, while Georgia is a division of that state). -- 70.24.250.103 (talk)
• Oppose. It doesn't take a genius to work out that there's no Primary Topic here. 'Georgia (state)' needs to be a dab page, IMHO. -- Ohconfucius ^{ping / poke} 07:14, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

• Side Issue Georgia (state) was a dab page; someone changed it to a redirect; that should be reverted if we want to retain our "international credentials."--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 13:34, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

• Weak Oppose to renaming the article, but I think Georgia (state) should remain as redirect to the U.S. state. older ≠ wiser 20:13, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose. What Necrothesp said. Georgia and Georgia are both states. Osiris (talk) 12:33, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose. Georgia (state) can refer to either the U.S. state or the nation/sovereign state. Zarcadia (talk) 18:12, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
• Withdraw this nomination right now, there is an ongoing RFD discussion (see link below) and those you've like to participate on that discussion. ApprenticeFan ^work 12:00, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Discussion

Can someone restore Georgia (state) to point to Georgia? -- 70.24.250.103 (talk) 08:21, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Did you mean to point it to the dab page?--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 13:35, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

 Done [4] --B2C 19:57, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

And I restored it to redirect to the U.S. state. While it is true that in some contexts a state is a synonym for country, I find it highly improbable that anyone searching for "Georgia (state)" is looking for the country. Also consider that every one of the many links to the redirect is for the U.S. state. older ≠ wiser 20:13, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

That needs to be discussed at WP:RFD. Apteva (talk) 00:53, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Agree with Apteva. The redirect of "Georgia (state)" for to be discuss on WP:RFD. ApprenticeFan ^work 05:57, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

I started a RFD discussion on the targeted redirect. ApprenticeFan ^work 13:53, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Proposed move

Please see the "Washington and Georgia" section of WP:VPR. I've proposed synchronizing this article's title with Washington (state), either by moving this article to Georgia (state) or by moving the other one to Washington (U.S. state). I don't care which we do, but I think that it would be good for the two to use the same method of disambiguation. Nyttend (talk) 16:10, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Georgia (country) which relates to this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 05:33, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Religious percentages

Not sure we should be using percentages. The article cited does not. It also has about 50% of Georgia's population as "unclaimed" (i.e. no religion). So 70% for Protestant doesn't hold up (nor do the others). Student7 (talk) 01:22, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

A respected edit rv my change to try to correct wording. Please see footnote http://www.thearda.com/mapsReports/reports/state/13_2000.asp which has 4,500,000+ as claiming no religion. The total number of people in Georgia is 9,919,945 (2012 est). And, okay, that is not quite half. I will reword. Student7 (talk) 21:19, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Got zapped again. http://www.thearda.com/mapsReports/reports/unclaimed.asp. This says: "The unclaimed population are those that are not adherents of any of the 188 groups included in the Church & Church Membership Data. This number should not be used as an indicator of irreligion or atheism, as it also includes adherents of many groups not included in the data."

Okay. It was not being included as an indicator of atheism. Nor "irreligion" per se. But 49% is a lot of people to belong to "some other group." There are 30,000 Protestant churches, but most of them are well under 1% of the population nearly everyplace. Notice that the figure could include Hindu, Shinto, and Devil Worship. Merely assuming that the figure is evenly distributed among the religions indicated seems uncalled for. The organization quoting these figures bears some demerit for the qualification and may be non-WP:RS for that reason. "Just ignore the man behind the curtain" is insufficient reasoning IMO. Student7 (talk) 19:13, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

There are a LOT of tiny little churches in this part of the country that do not belong to any denomination--independent Baptist churches, etc. (though I presume the source is including capital-I Independent Baptists). So the 49% figure is not too outside of what conventional wisdom and the census found. We have a really reliable source for the Census Pew numbers; I don't think the arda source is reliable (and explicit) enough to merit equal weight. Red Slash 02:20, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Typo?

"Georgia consists of 159 counties, second only to Texas, with 254.[43] Georgia had 161 counties until the end of 1931, when Milton and Campbell were merged into Fulton."

Math Pop Quiz: If Georgia has 161 counties and two of them merge to form one county, how many counties does Georgia have left? Answer: 160, not 159. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.82.40.211 (talk) 01:19, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Fulton County already existed, which is why it says "Milton and Campbell were merged into Fulton." - BilCat (talk) 01:55, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

More on Pre-Columbian cultures?

The article only has one throwaway sentence about Georgia's history before Columbus. Although there are fewer sources available, could this be expanded a little? BenedictSpring (talk) 16:03, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Assessment comment

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Georgia (U.S. state) is the only U.S. state that shows it latitude and longitude boundaries in the form ddd.ddd°; the others show the boundaries as dd° mm'.

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Sound spellings

I think every sound spelling you have for states is highly condescending. Do you really think people are unable to properly pronounce Georgia? I'm getting rid of them all.--67.84.73.254 (talk) 21:36, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia has a global audience, not just an American one. I am certain that many readers of this article will be unsure of how to pronounce the name, just as you might appreciate guidance in pronouncing Liège or Łódź. So please don't remove all the pronunciation aids. — ℜob C. alias ALAROB 21:55, 12 June 2014 (UTC)