Talk:German Resistance Memorial Center

Translation?

Before my edit only an English translation of the plaque in front of the statue appeared:

You bear no shame, you defended us.

You sowed a sign of great and unalterable change, that guards us eternally.

You gave your vibrant lives for freedom, justice and honour.

The verb "(sich) wehren" is reflexive and doesn't imply defense of others, but here indicates one resisted (related in concept, but still different). The third stanza is rather complex - so if anyone else is better with German (I'm not a native speaker, please change it as you see fit. I change the emphasis slightly.

I also added the original German with some small grammatical details as the plaque is in all capitals and without punctuation. If anyone disagrees, feel free to change as needed. Pr0me7heu2 (talk) 19:50, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

As a native German speaker, I do like your translation. My 2 cents:

wehrtet (i.e. sich wehren) is an active deed, whereas resisted sounds passive to my ears, so I wondered if fought back might fit better. I left it unchanged, but if a native English speaker agrees, feel free to change it.

I did change the translation of Umkehr though: Umkehr in German means having set out on a path, but then turning back, 180°, heading back home. I didn't feel that reflected in the translation symbol of change, so I replaced it with signal to turn back. Sadly it sounds less poetic, but it's closer to the original meaning IMHO. --Jens (93.237.5.120 (talk) 13:52, 28 November 2019 (UTC))

Good start

Thank you for creating this article, Adam. A very important topic, and certainly deserving of being remembered. Well done. ---Charles 05:22, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

I have a lot more photos and material to add yet. I am also surprised to see there is no article on the German Resistance itself. I will write one later today. Adam 05:29, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

I will look forward to seeing more. --Charles 03:09, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

A quick look at the GDW Website would have shown the author that it is actually called the "German Resistance Memorial Center" and not the "Memorial to the German Resistance" in English. Does anyone know how to change this in the article title? --Stoopsolo (talk) 10:28, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes I agree the article name should be altered to what you have suggested. There was very little resistance inside Germany to the Nazi German regime. That is why those who did resist are quite remarkable Germans. Sadly the majority blindly accepted Hitler or lived in total fear. Finneganw 18:54, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Statue

How about a close up pic of the statue?

Removed broken image link

The following was formerly the beginning of the article >>

File:Http://www.german.leeds.ac.uk/holocaust/berlin files/image052.jpg

A celebration of the military resistance to Hitler - the memorials in the courtyard of the building known as the "Gedenkstätte"

I have removed it as the reference as the method of adding the image is no longer valid. The current location appears to be http://www.german.leeds.ac.uk/holocaust/berlin_files/image052.jpg but I would encourage someone who can claim authorship to this picture to upload it to Wikimedia commons and add it from there if they would like it to remain part of the article.

Thanks everyone for their work thus far. mattclare (talk) 01:30, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

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Requested move 9 April 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) – MaterialWorks (contribs) 17:20, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

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Memorial to the German Resistance → German Resistance Memorial Center – A Google search shows that this is by far the more common name. 'Memorial to the German Resistance' is a direct translation of the German 'Gedenkstätte Deutscher Widerstand', but the official English website and most sources use 'German Resistance Memorial Center'. Much of the content of the page already uses this name. –CWenger (^ • @) 16:19, 9 April 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. MaterialWorks (contribs) 16:50, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Relisting due to minimal participaion. MaterialWorks (contribs) 16:50, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Germany has been notified of this discussion. MaterialWorks (contribs) 16:51, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose on two grounds. First, I suspect the current title was chosen to avoid having to favour the American or British spelling of "Center/Centre"; the US spelling is more common in very recent years; but the British English spelling is also common. Second, the German name for this place is Gedenkstätte which means "memorial site" or just "memorial"; it doesn't mean "center/centre" which would be Zentrum. I'd leave it as it is for now.Bermicourt (talk) 18:28, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

  Wouldn't WP:COMMONNAME override both of these concerns? If you Google "Memorial to the German Resistance" most of the results are titled "German Resistance Memorial Center". Another alternative would be simply "German Resistance Memorial", but that's less common. –CWenger (^ • @) 18:41, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

• Support move. Most sources use "German Resistance Memorial Center" because that is literally the name they put on their own wall: [1]. -- asilvering (talk) 23:40, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
• Support - "let's avoid calling something its actual name in English because that would require us to use one variety of English" is a hot take, but common name beats it handily Red Slash 21:46, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
• Support - per WP:COMMONNAME. JimRenge (talk) 23:00, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

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