Talk:German aviso Grille

Documentary

I just watched a National Geographic documentary where the yacht's toilet was sold to a military memorabilia merchant by the New Jersey auto shop owner. The merchant wanted to sell the toilet to a boat restorer, restoring a Schnellboot. 25th June 2017.--2A02:1812:1732:B600:84BE:5A2B:A4AB:20D6 (talk) 15:46, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Fate of the ship

There was a conflicting situation with regards to where the Grille was sent after being seized by Britain post war. The article originally said the ship was sent directly to the US, but this conflicts with Friedman's book which actually includes a picture of the Grille in Beirut harbor. This relies a lot on Friedman's account which itself is sourced from a firsthand account by Isaac Shoshan and "Israeli official navy history". For what it's worth I saw another site which mentions a Beirut expedition of the Grille, from another independent source (German Warships 1815-1945, Volume 1 by Erich Groner) though I don't have access to it. Still, it's a good story and well enough sourced to be included I think.Raving Colonel (talk) 20:17, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: CPA-5 (talk · contribs) 09:32, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Claim this one. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 09:32, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

@CPA-5: - have you lost track of this one? (actually, I had too - I was looking at the GAN list to ping Sturm for the Nevada-class battleship review and saw this one - I'd completely forgotten about Grille) ;) Parsecboy (talk) 12:41, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

• Well not really, I was first dealing with my older GAN reviews but right now I only have Battle of Hel but Piotrus and I have a disagreement on converting metric units. But after that, I'll have a look into this one. ;) Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 12:46, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

• Take your time - I'm busy hammering away at List of pre-dreadnought battleships of the Royal Navy ;) Parsecboy (talk) 16:55, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

• @CPA-5: - I don't know that Piotrus is going to do anything about the GA anytime soon - do you want to get this knocked out this week? I'd like to have it done by the end of the year, and next week is a little busier ;) Parsecboy (talk) 18:44, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

• Okay give me a sec Parsecboy.

• It's ironic that I hassled you for a while about this and then as soon as you did the review, I got hit with some kind of stomach bug that put me out of commission for a couple of days. Parsecboy (talk) 14:40, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

• Oh dear, I hope no one in your family is infected by the bug? I am happy it's not on Christmas or otherwise it wouldn't be a lot of fun for you. Anyway please have a look at my replies. :L Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 18:09, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

• So far, it's just me - it was going around at work, and I tried to be careful to quarantine myself - and lots of bleach after I was feeling better, too! Parsecboy (talk) 13:42, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

• Great to hear! The kids have maybe the immunity of their mother ;P Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 15:34, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

• Anyway I'll pass it. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 20:34, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

• resumed minelaying duties in the North Sea Unlink North Sea.
  • I think that's worth linking - it's not as well known and I don't think that many readers outside of Europe could tell you where it is (unless they're interested in naval history like me!)

• True but, I saw in a couple of articles that the North Sea hasn't been linked.

• were rated at 22,000 shaft horsepower (16,000 kW) Link Kw.
  • Done
• 228 naval mines for service as an auxiliary minelayer. [1][2] Remove the unnecessary space.
  • Good catch
• She was armed with three 12.7 cm SK C/34 naval guns in individual mountings, one forward and two aft. She also carried four 3.7 cm SK C/30 anti-aircraft guns in two dual mounts and four 2 cm C/30 anti-aircraft guns No convert of inches here?
  • Guess I didn't clean that section up enough ;)

• Can you also round both guns in the infobox and the body?

• Done

• represent Germany for the coronation of King George VI and Queen Elizabeth I'm not an expert in English here but is the coronation plural here?
  • I don't know either - I'd think only George VI was actually crowned - the article we have is singular, so that's what I followed: Coronation of George VI and Elizabeth
• including Funchal, Madiera and Ponta Delgada in the Azores Maybe add Portugal here?
  • Done
• Commander of the Defense of the Baltic Sea) to support the planned invasion of Poland Invasion of Poland is a proper noun.
  • Fixed
• She led the Eastern Group to Ostende, Belgium Wait a sec. Is Ostende not the archaic version of Ostend?
  • It's also the German version - when I'm translating Hildebrand, I have a habit of thinking in German and repeating the German place names - I had to keep fixing "Tsingtau" when I wrote SMS Scharnhorst a while back.

• You can understand German or via Google Translate?

• I can read nautical stuff alright, though I have to look up words from time to time (speaking, not so much - but then I never practice it). I started with Google Translate, because it's been about a decade since I took German in college, but after a while, I realized I was reading it in German as I was transcribing it, so I might as well cut out the middle man.

• @Parsecboy: I personally don't like Google Translate because it's mostly wrong instead of helping me. I use this Dutch translate website. In my opinion, it's a lot of better than Google Translate (well if we're talking about translating sentences) and more accurate however, of course, no one or nothing can translate it 100% so there might be grammar errors in it but less than in Google Translate. If you want you can use the website, English to German is an option in it. I hope you like it? Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 15:34, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

• Thanks, I'll have to give it a try - I always used Google Translate to get a sense of words I didn't know, since with German, I know enough of the basic grammar to fix things as I go - when I was using it, I typically had a tab for GT open at the same time I'd have the original German so I could go back and forth as I wrote. Parsecboy (talk) 15:44, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

• @Parsecboy: Just let you know German = Duits just saying. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 20:34, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

• company for use as a passenger ship in the Mediterranean Sea Unlink the sea here.
  • Yeah, most probably know where that is
• the Eastern Group were tasked with covering --> "the Eastern Group was tasked with covering"?
  • Done
• disarmed and any equipment with a military use was removed Remove the article here?
  • Done

Images

• Is there a better-edited version of the image "Bundesarchiv_DVM_10_Bild-23-63-30%2C_Staatsjacht_Aviso_"Grille".jpg"? I mean it has the information of the publisher on it?
  • Do you mean a cropped version that doesn't have the Bundesarchiv info at the bottom? If I remember correctly from when they did their donation, part of the agreement was that had to stay. But I don't know for certain, just that I've never seen it cropped off from images.

• Oh I see no worries then same for the sentence below.

And what's the status in the US same with "File:Olympische Segelwettbewerbe 1936 (Kiel 53.190).jpg" and "File:IgrisBeyrut2.jpg"

• • I think the Creative Commons license applies for the former, and the latter has been donated - if you see the WP:OTRS ticket on an image, you know whoever donated it went through the proper channels and had ownership verified.

Infobox

• Link Long tons, tonnes, Kw, knots and nmi.
  • Done
• Convert the guns who have no English units.
  • Done

Sources

• Is it possible to standardise the 10/13 ISBNs?
  • Yes
• Some ISBNs use hyphens others don't maybe standardise them.
  • Done
• "Collection - Thackray Medical Museum" has no real date so why is there a date and no |website= template?
  • Good question - another editor added that and I didn't mess with it.
• Hildebrand's IBNS gives me whole other book called "Neuartiges Sekundärradar zur Entfernungsmessung: Konzept, Analyse, Erprobung (German Edition)"?
  • Huh, I wonder how that happened - it's fixed now (and now I need to check every other place I've got the 4th volume!)

That's anything from me. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 11:20, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

Placenames

Hi there. It's simply not correct that "local usage is irrelevant". Please see WP:USPLACE, WP:UKPLACE etc. Thanks and best wishes, DBaK (talk) 12:27, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Moved from my talk page

You realize those are part of the article naming conventions, and have literally nothing to do with how we write prose, correct?

To the point: this issue is, at heart, a tendency amongst Westerners (predominantly those from US and UK) to assume the world revolves around us. As I said in the edit summary, we are an international encyclopedia, and there are more than a few English speakers outside of either of our countries. We should write articles so as to be as easily accessible to as broad an audience as possible. Local usage is irrelevant if one has that purpose in mind. Parsecboy (talk) 15:01, 14 July 2021 (UTC)