Talk:Godzilla (1954 film)

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Cultural Impact

If I were to add a section to this page, I would include more information about how the people of Japan were able to connect to this movie on an emotional level. The people of Japan were able to feel a sense of empathy with Godzilla because of their experiences of being bombed during World War II. Possibly a short discussion on the cultural impact within the United States as well, which helped begin the spread Japanese pop culture globally.

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Allison, Anne. Millennial Monsters, edited by Anne Allison, University of California Press, 2006. ProQuest Ebook Central.

Ryfle, Steve. "Godzilla's Footprint." Virginia Quarterly Review, vol. 81, no. 1, Winter2005, pp. 44-63. EBSCOhost, proxysb.uits.iu.edu/login?url=http://search.ebscohost.com.proxysb.uits.iu.edu/login.aspx?direct=true&db=aph&AN=15501530&site=ehost-live&scope=site.

Schnellbächer, Thomas. "Has the Empire Sunk Yet?--The Pacific in Japanese Science Fiction." Science Fiction Studies, vol. 29, no. 3, Nov. 2002, pp. 382-396. EBSCOhost, proxysb.uits.iu.edu/login?url=http://search.ebscohost.com.proxysb.uits.iu.edu/login.aspx?direct=true&db=aph&AN=9155768&site=ehost-live&scope=site.

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More Expansion

This article is looking good, however I thing there can be a lot more information on the film's production, theatrical release added to the article. The production section feels incomplete and too short considering the abundance of information available on the film. The release section, specifically the film's theatrical release is also underdeveloped. The film was enormously popular in Japan and there is nothing even close to mentioning its complete box office run and gross in its native country. The article on the american version should probably be combined with this article as well since they are practically the same thing just added scenes. These are just a few things that need to happen so that this article is expanded to its fullest extent.--Paleface Jack 15:59, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Earlier use of music track

Hi! I'd like to add the text Ifukube had previously used a piano version of "Frigate March I" in the 1951 film The Tale of Genji (source -- not ideal, but verifies this much information) to the "Music" section of this article, but since the section currently consists entirely of a history of the soundtrack's release as an album in the 1990s and 2000s, and two track listings therefor, chronologically this information would have to go at the top of this section. However, "Frigate March I" isn't mentioned anywhere in the article except in the aforementioned track listing, isn't mentioned in the source (which is in Japanese -- perhaps by necessity, as the 1951 film seems to have fallen into obscurity outside Japan), and (I suspect) might be a name that was retroactively applied to the specific context in which it is used in this film, not in later or earlier films. Can someone verify whether there exists an "original" name of the piece of music as composed by Ifukube in c.1951 (if there is, it's definitely not "Frigate March I", since it plays as accompaniment for Hikaru Genji riding a horse in the hills north of Kyoto where he will meet Murasaki)? Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 16:01, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Very difficult to find the name of the original. We could just add the information you managed to find about the piano version. Armegon (talk) 16:15, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

1954 Awards

This article says Godzilla was nominated for Best Picture in 1954. I believe this is a myth which has spread over the English-speaking internet. Sources usually mention the movie losing to Seven Samurai in the end. Here are the things I cannot find which should exist if that were true:

• A source for the original claim, or a Japanese source repeating the claim.
• Toho Media promoting Gojira as an award winning film.
• The name of the award, rather than "the Japanese Equivalent of the Academy Awards." This article says "Japan Movie Association Awards" which I can find no direct evidence of.
• Mention of Best Picture being won by Seven Samurai. I can buy messiness for Godzilla, but Samurai is one of the highest profile films in history.
• Mention of this earlier award when Shin Godzilla won Best Picture in 2016.
• Something called the Japanese Academy Awards (roughly) began in '78. Sources on that make no attempt to distinguish it from an earlier film prize.

If anyone can find any of these, they could be placed on this article as a citation. Otherwise I believe the awards section should be modified and this claim should be watched for in the future.

I tried to look into this, since anyone who can read Japanese should logically be able to verify or falsify the claim with a quick Google search, but the problem is that searching "Japanese Movie Association" doesn't seemingly bring up the website any Japanese organization which this is the official English name but rather English-language websites that repeat this exact same claim about Godzilla and The Seven at the 1954 awards. Moreover, "Japanese Movie Association" doesn't sound like the formal name of a reputable association, and the Eiga.com entry for Seven Samurai doesn't imply that the film won such an award. "日本映画協会" doesn't appear to have been a thing prior to 2010,[1] while the 日本アカデミー賞 (the one Japanese film award not associated with a magazine that could be given a mistaken name and still be recognizable) didn't exist at the time.[2] The nearest I could find was the Motion Picture and Television Engineering Society of Japan but they don't seem to have, or at least list, nominations: this is perhaps something I've found on a lot of Wikipedia articles and their frequently-circular sourcing, where every Japanese film released in that year was somehow "in the running" for every award and we treat them as though they were nominated for those awards. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 13:30, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Film Stock

I am trying to find out what the film stocks and film speeds ASA / ISO was used in Godzilla 1954? 66.65.59.220 (talk) 22:54, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Nihongo foot?

Should we replace nihongo foot (unlike video games) for readers it would be necessary. --49.150.96.127 (talk) 00:11, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

A footnote is not necessary. That may be the procedure for video games but not for movies, per WP:NCF. Armegon (talk) 10:25, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Gojira

The title of the movie is and always has been Gojira, Godzilla being an English adaptation of phonetic sound of the word not a translation. As the original film wasn't properly released in the west for decades it was never officially or semi-officially titled Godzilla until the 2000s rereleases. I don't believe that's sufficient to justify titling the article Godzilla. The pages for the original Star Wars films aren't listed according to the episode numbers they were retroactively given, they're listed under their original titles. 2600:8801:7116:4400:4850:2702:B33D:ADA6 (talk) 03:34, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

"Godzilla" has been the official and most common transliteration of "ゴジラ" since the American cut's original release in '56 across - to my knowledge - all English-language media in the franchise, including literally translated titles and the official releases of the Japanese cut. EN Wikipedia also cites House (1977) by the more common English transliteration rather than the phonetic Hausu. It's just how he spells his name in English, it's not less correct than the more phonetically strict version and if an English-speaker were looking for this film they would look under the name Godzilla (1954)

However, I agree it ought to be noted that common practice among fans is to refer to the uncut original movie as Gojira to distinguish it from the American cut and the 1998 and 2014 films, provided someone can source a solid citation. 144.121.150.162 (talk) 14:05, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

There's already a footnote in the lead (with cites) noting the various alternate titles the film has been released under in the U.S. Armegon (talk) 22:19, 9 August 2024 (UTC)