Talk:Golla (caste)

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In Karnataka too Yadavas are called Gollas/Gollaru.

Gollas

This is not the place to post your draft of the article. - Sitush (talk) 14:41, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

The Golla-Gollewar Caste Community is Generation of Yaduvanshi(Yadavas). Gollas are cattle herders like Gopalas, Yadavas etc. Golla is a pastoral caste. It was Yadavas who were mentioned in Mahabharata. When it was translated in to Telugu or Karnnda, telugu / kannada poets have mentioned them as gollas so that south indian readers too can understand. This is because, in ancient days south indian people are not aware of Yadavas. Moreover Golla is a pastoral sheep herding caste in South India, while Yadavas are a powerful cattle herding caste in North India. Infact, the gollas and yadavas differ in their gotras, surnames, and cultures. This shows they are independent people, they do not work for any king but they can be kings depends up on the situation. In some states Yadavas are kings go to the siteyadavhistory.com The Kakatiya (Yadav) dynasty, constructed the Gollakonda Fort. Its one of the best Fort & ancient city in India. The name Gollakonda is derived from Telgu words Golla (Gwal=Yadav) + Konda (Fort)= The Fort of Yadav's the cowherds or Cowherd's fort. List of Dhangar clans in India The following is the list of Dhangar clans/Kulas of surnames of all sub-castes from India.[1][2][3][4][5] Ainwar.Aaldar.Bargujar.Baniya.Bhains.Bute.Chauhan.Chandel.Chandrawat.Chawda/Chawla.Chudawat.Dhabi.Dagade.Dahiya.Devkate.Deora.Dhakad / Dhakar.Dhekaha. Dikshit.Gahalot.Gaharwar.Gaud.Gautama.Gohil.Hake.Halnawar.Harine.Jankar.Kachawahe.Kachwa.Kadamba.Kale.Karith,Katariya.Kaushal,Kesari.Khangar.Kharat.Kharwar.Khatal.Kokare.Kolekar.Kulal.Lavate.Lengre.Lokhande.Lokare.Makwana.Markad.Masal.Maurya.Nagvansha.Nikhumbiya.Parihar.Parmar.Pundir.Raikwar.Rathod.Sarak.Sargar.Sengar.Shinde.Shingade.Sikarwar.Shindhav.Sisodiya.Solankar.Solankhi.Swar.Takale.Tawar.Thengal.Thombare,Thorat.Tomar.Vadhel.Vala/Wala.Pal/Waghela / Baghela / Vaghela.Wakse.Yadav.Yedage.Jhala / Zhala. Some South Indian Clans Aadina, Aanne, Aarella, Adwar Hadasale, Amme, Andara, Anne, Arisina, Aoti, Arasu, Arei, Asalu, Asli, Aslu, Atti, Ballari, Banda, Bandi, Banni, Basalu, Basari, Belada, Bevina, Bhoja, Bijjala, Bilwa, Bira, Bosa, Bosala, Bujjenige, Chandana, Chitalu, Dande, Dani, Dasari, Devadaru, Duddidana, Eralu, Gali, Gauda, Gogandi, Hande, Hariwana, Harusha, Hatte, Hothana, Jadi, Jande, Janni, Kachana, Kaggala, Kambli, Kampala, Kankaitayana, Kateda, Kawadi, Kenchalu, Kolle, Kote, Kundan, Kuniwa, Kuppina, Kuwala, Majjana, Malle, Mallige, Manasina, Manne, Mautte, Masalu, Mesalu, Michina, Misu, Muruhinda, Mutina, Nagara, Nagare, Nahi, Nali, Nalige, Nilli, Nonaba, Rajakula, Sada, Sakala, Salva, Samanta, Sampige, Sangam, Sangara, Sannakambli, Sasalu, Semant, Sena, Sevige, Simpala, Tarugara, Thagaru, Tube, Unne, Uppina, Wangare/Wangade, Oraon Clans Majority of oraon write their gotra (Kerketta, Xalxo, Xaxa, Xess, Tirkey,Toppo,Tigga, Kujur,Minz, Ekka Barla, Barwa, Indwar, Lakra, Beck, Dhanwar/Dhangar, Baghwar,Kachhap, kindo, Kispota, kanda, Kokro, Gaddi, Khoya, Chermanko,Dadel, Niya, Panna, Bakula, Basa, Bando, Bhagat, Binko, Beck, Munjni, Runda, Linda,Son, Rawna, etc) with their name. However, those who follow Tana Bhagat principle or Sarna Dharma write Bhagat in place of gotra. Many prefer to write Oraon as second name in place of gotra. ch.venkateswarlu. References

The shepherds or gollas used to gaze their sheep and goat around a hill and hence the place was called by the common folks as gollakonda and it became a popular name and the britishers recorded it by that name only and not because they built the Golkonda fort and neither the gollas were kakatiyas, what a farce!, gollas do not have any ruling history in Andhra and Telangana. To claim kakatiya dynasty history by gollas based on the assumptions of Parabramha Shastry is a big joke. The kakatiya dynasty in all probability belongs to the Reddy clan of Telangana region, first king of the Reddy clan was Prola Reddi 2nd of the Kakatiya dynasty he was a vassal of the Chalukyas of Kalyani, another famous personality of Kakatiyas was Recherla Rudra Reddi he built the famous Ramappa temple in the Kakatiya dynasty. <Hawk>

There was no need to respond as above, and certainly not without providing some sort of source for your opinion. This thread is closed. Leave it that way, please. - Sitush (talk) 09:33, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Yadavas

I have just removed a source that claims the Golla are also known as Yadava. It is a confusing claim because (a) we distinguish between Yadav and Yadava, with the latter being the ancient tribe and (b) Yadav is an umbrella term that can be applied to many caste groups, including the Ahir. While it probably is true that people refer to Gollas as Yadavs, we need to find a way to word it that explains that the two words are not actually synonymous, ie: that Yadav is indeed an umbrella term and not all Yadavs are Gollas even though all Gollas may be termed Yadavs. - Sitush (talk) 15:19, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Gollas can be Yadavas and may not be Yadavas depending on their heritage. Some gollas claim to be Yadavas ..and some not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.107.197.133 (talk • contribs) January 17, 2021 (UTC)

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Was Krishnadevaraya a Golla?

Can Sathyanarayana naidu list some sources that state "Krishnadevaraya belonged to Golla caste"? The inscription calls him a Yadava but there are many unrelated castes that claim Yadava lineage. Konars are Yadavas. So can we say that Krishnadevaraya was a Konar? Of course not. @Kautilya3:, please give your opinion on this. Nittawinoda (talk) 06:26, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

"CENTRAL LIST OF OBCs FOR THE STATE OF KARNATAKA" (PDF).{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link) Sathyanarayana naidu (talk) 08:17, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

"CENTRAL LIST OF OBCs FOR THE STATE OF ANDHRA PRADESH" (PDF).{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link) Sathyanarayana naidu (talk) 08:19, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Konars can't claim because they belongs to only tamilnadu region but galla are people from Karnataka and Andrapradesh Region where Krishnadevaraya belonged to. I think you are from Tamilnadu thats why u are not understanding. If gollas are not yadavas then there is No yadavas in Andrapradesh, Karnataka, Tulu regions. Sathyanarayana naidu (talk) 08:55, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

The question is not if Gollas are Yadavas but if the term Yadava in the inscription refers to the community which currently goes by the name Golla. Nittawinoda (talk) 09:02, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Brother no thats not like that till now Gollas are called as Yadavas Sathyanarayana naidu (talk) 09:07, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

In Golla peoples Community certificate too they are noted as "Yadava (Golla)" or "Yadava" Sathyanarayana naidu (talk) 09:10, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Original research galore

Responding to ping. Inscriptions cannot be used as reliable sources on Wikipedia (Click that link to understand what that means). This is a fundamental pillar of Wikipedia and is not negotiable. As that policy page explains, only academic scholarly sources or well-informed newspaper articles can be used as reliable sources. I am afraid this whole article is full of Original Research. Nittawinoda, please feel free to remove everything that is unsourced or sourced to WP:PRIMARY sources. PRIMARY sources also include government reports. They cannot be used directly on Wikipedia. If the other editor does not cooperate, please report it to Bishonen or Vanamonde93. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:29, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Frankly, Vanamonde93 knows a lot more about castes and social groups than me, Nittawinoda. Bishonen | talk 10:34, 9 February 2020 (UTC).

It is inscription but it is in the book of Archeological Survey of India with details Sathyanarayana naidu (talk) 09:48, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

The ASI is merely reproducing the inscription. It is still a WP:PRIMARY source. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 11:03, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

I would hesitate to use an ASI source for caste-matters even if they were saying something in their own voice. The ASI specializes in archaeology, not history; the two disciplines are quite distinct. A primary source, such as an inscription, should of course not be used. Vanamonde (Talk) 18:20, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Nittawinoda Rajendra chola's Grandson is kulothunga1 his decendant is Vikrama chola and also for your information both chola and chalukya empire was annexed after rajendra chola then Kulothunga chola assumed chola title he is too legal chola you can easily find it even in school text books. rajaraja chola,Vimaladitya chola, Vikrama chola, kulothunga chola are comes under later cholas. Karikakala chola, killivalavan are comes under early cholas Sathyanarayana naidu (talk) 16:28, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Brother vikrama chola is the grand son of kulothunga chola and also kulothunga was the grand son of kundavai nachiyaar who was the daughter of rajendra chola so chalukya and chola dynasty was annexed by kulothunga and he assume chola title. you find it even from school textbook too. So kulothunga chola, vikrama chola, rajaraja chola are comes under later chola dynasty Sathyanarayana naidu (talk) 16:39, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Krishnadevaraya was a Tuluva Bunt - sources

Sathyanarayana naidu has once again reinserted the primary source and the content under dispute [1]. FYI, Krishnadevaraya belonged to the Tuluva Bunt community. I furnish below some books to support the same.

1. Tuluva Narasa Nayaka (Krishnadevaraya's father was a Tuluva Bunt) - [2] 2. Krishnadevaraya was a Tuluva Bunt - [3]

@Vanamonde93, Kautilya3, and Bishonen: please help remove the disputed sections. Thanks, Nittawinoda (talk) 15:57, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Tuluva Dynasty are yadavas see this referece

Sathyanarayana naidu (talk) 16:13, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

2. refer Yadava kula surya Sri Krishnadevaraya Sathyanarayana naidu (talk) 16:18, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

3.Sircar, Dineschandra (1979). Some Epigraphical Records of the Medieval Period from Eastern India. Abhinav Publications. ISBN 978-81-7017-096-9.

4. Sewell, Robert (1999). Vijayanagar: As Seen by Domingos Paes and Fernao Nuniz (16th Century Portuguese Chroniclers and Others). National Book Trust, India. ISBN 978-81-237-2658-8.

All Yadavas are not Gollas but Karnataka Yadavas, Andrapradesh Yadavas and Tulu region Yadavas are Gollas.

But all yadavas are not Golla. Nittawinoda (talk) 16:16, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

I cannot access very many of those sources; please provide quotes here to support the content you are adding (Quotes can be added within references, in cases like this). Also, please note that not every book is a reliable source. Vanamonde (Talk) 16:17, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

"Tuluva Narasa Nayaka (1491-1503 CE) belonged to the bunt community". Narasa Nayaka was the father of Krishnadevaraya.

"Krishnadevaraya was the most famous king of the Vijayanagar empire. He belonged to the Tuluva Bunt community." Thanks Nittawinoda (talk) 16:30, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Sri Krishnadevaraya is Yadava

" The Tuluvas claimed their descent from the Yadava Lineage.The earliest known member of this family is Isvaranayaka".

Isvaranayaka is the Grandfather of Krishnadevaraya and Father of Narasanayaka Sathyanarayana naidu (talk) 17:48, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Saying that he claimed "Yadava lineage" does not imply that he belonged to the "Golla caste". Yadava has many meanings. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 18:07, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Also worth noting is that the source is an archaeologist, who, as Vanamonde93 said, is inadequate for sourcing history. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 18:11, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

K.M., Suresh (1998). Sculptural Art of Hampi. Directorate of Archaeology and Museums. p. 21. Sathyanarayana naidu (talk) 18:23, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

@Sathyanarayana naidu: That book is published by the same agency its author works for; as such, it's not a scholarly source. It may still be reliable, but it's questionable. Furthermore, all the source is saying is that the king claimed to be a Yadava. I don't see it claiming he was a Golla. The two are distinct, and arguing that one means the other is original research. Please find a source directly supporting what you are trying to add. Nittawinoda please don't make a separate section for every comment, it's rather confusing. Vanamonde (Talk) 18:30, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

@Vanamonde Brother, Directorate of Archaeology and Museums, Mysore is not his job it is the Government Department who Published this book Sathyanarayana naidu (talk) 18:38, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

• Gollas are Yadavas see this Central OBC caste list of Andhra Pradesh

"CENTRAL LIST OF OBCs FOR THE STATE OF ANDHRA PRADESH" (PDF).{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link) Sathyanarayana naidu (talk) 18:49, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

All Yadavas of Tulu country are not Golla

@Vanamonde93:, user Sathyanarayana naidu has told above that "all yadavas of Karnataka, AndhraPradesh and Tulu region" are Gollas. But this is misleading as the states of Karnataka, AndhraPradesh did not exist back during the times of Krishnadevaraya. A Velir king called Nannan was of Yadava lineage and from Tulunad or Tulu region but he was not a Golla. [4], [5].

user Sathyanarayana naidu's argument that the term Yadava denoted only the Golla caste is not right as I've shown above. Nittawinoda (talk) 18:07, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

There are several communities that coalesce to form the Yadavs. Christophe Jaffrelot has remarked that

The term 'Yadav' covers many castes which initially had different names: Ahir in the Hindi belt, Punjab and Gujarat, Gavli in Maharashtra, Gola in Andhra Pradesh and Karnataka etc. Their traditional common function, all over India, was that of herdsmen, cowherds and milksellers.

Sathyanarayana naidu (talk) 19:07, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Nittawinoda,Brother there is no country called tulu but tulu is the region inside karnataka state in Karnataka too Golla are only Yadavas. Sathyanarayana naidu (talk) 19:10, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

• I have no patience for an extended argument here. I repeat, again, that you need a better source than the book above directly saying that Krishnadevaraya was a member of the Golla community. Otherwise, it is likely to violate WP:SYNTH. Combining two sources, one of which says Yadavas are Gollas and another saying Krishnadevaraya was a Yadava, is not good enough. Also, please note that Jaffrelot is writing "Gollas became Yadavas", which is different from saying "Yadavas are Gollas". Either produce sources of the sort I've described, or drop the issue, otherwise you're risking a WP:TBAN. Vanamonde (Talk) 21:05, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Gollas are Yadavas

" YADAVA A community of Andrapradesh, they are more popularly called Golla or Konarulu. The Yadava also regard their Community as Yadukulam and believe that they are the descendants of King Yadu of Lord Krishna's lineage".

Sathyanarayana naidu (talk) 01:43, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Kumar Suresh, Sigh (1998). India's Communities. Oxford University Press. p. 3696. Sathyanarayana naidu (talk) 01:45, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Golla is the synonym of Yadava

" Golkanda consists of two Telugu words "Golla" and "Konda" meaning "Yadava" and "Hill" respectively".

Sathyanarayana naidu (talk) 02:05, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

G.V., Chalapathi rao (1989). Ramadoss of Bhadrachalam. p. 4. Sathyanarayana naidu (talk) 02:06, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

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Why primary sources are open to interpretation

@Sathyanarayana naidu:, primary sources like inscriptions are not entertained. They must be evaluated and interpreted by historians. Vikrama Chola, a later Chola king always signed off as Vikrama Chola deva in his inscriptions. But he was not Chola but rather a Chalukya. Then why did he do it? He used Chola surname because if he didn't then he would have no locus standi to rule. Anyways in your case even the primary source does not mention Golla anywhere. I hope you will understand and learn the rules of Wikipedia as you spend more time editing. Ideally you have to add a book that states Krishnadevaraya belonged to Golla caste or something along those lines. Nittawinoda (talk) 16:16, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

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Revert

I am sorry but there has been a lot of wasted effort here and I have reverted it all. Please note that Raj era sources are not reliable, nor is anything published by Gyan or Shodganga. A read of WP:PRIMARY and WP:SYNTHESIS would also not go amiss. Bit of a shame after so much effort but take it from someone who has been editing caste stuff here for over a decade: you name a guideline etc & it was broken. - Sitush (talk) 21:24, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

To clarify a point, the article was something akin to a house of cards, much of it reliant on inappropriate sources and assumptions. I began with the intention of merely tidying it up but it soon became apparent that if those unacceptable bits were resolved then the potentially ok bits (ie: reliably sourced stuff) made no sense. A big cause of that has been discussed here before, being the conflation of the term Golla with Yadav and even Yadava. - Sitush (talk) 21:59, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

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The Gollas are a Telugu-speaking pastoral community, who are populated in the states of Andhra Pradesh, Telangana, Karnataka and Tamil Nadu. They represent 13.4% of the total population of Andhra Pradesh state. Gollas are traditionally cowherds, but they engage in both sheep/goat and cattle pastoralism, in that they either herd exclusively sheep, or a mixed herd of sheep and goats, or cattle.

Golla
Religions	Hinduism
Languages	Telugu • Kannada
Country	India
Populated states	Andhra Pradesh • Telangana • Karnataka • Tamil Nadu

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Etymology

The Gollas are called Gawalis. One etymology for their name comes from the Sanskrit "Gopala" which in North India passed through Prakrit "Goal", "gwal", "gual gowala", other variants also occur in South India, in such forms as Gollavaru, Godlavaru etc. There are many synonyms by which they are referred to within their community, namely, Kadugolla, Oorugolla, Adivigolla, Handigolla and Gopala. Others refer to them only as Golla or Gollaru.

The Gollas also call themselves Yadava. In the early 1920s, castes such as Ahir, Gavli, Golla, Gopa or gwala, which were traditionally engaged in cattle-related occupations, started referring to themselves as Yadav/Yadava. They claimed that they are related to the Abhiras and Yadavas of the Puranas, which were held to be synonymous and associated with Lord Krishna, a cowherd.<ref>Rao, M. S. A. (1987). Social Movements and Social Transformation: A Study of Two Backward Classes Movements in India. Manohar. ISBN 978-. {{cite book}}: Check |isbn= value: length (help) Yaduvanshireal (talk) 22:15, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

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Remove Dhangar

Dhangar is a different caste in Maharashtra gollas are known as ahir or gawli is maharashtra dhangar is a sub caste of gadariya community of North Historianrao (talk) 13:34, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Gollaru

In Karnataka also Golla community is called Gollas/Gollaru. 2405:204:520D:4535:E9C2:C508:3783:5E7 (talk) 09:34, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Krishna Gollaru

Krishna Gollaru found in Karnataka 2405:204:520D:4535:E9C2:C508:3783:5E7 (talk) 09:37, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

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Please add this detail under sub-section with respect to Puja Golla. Of the various sub-divisions, the Pūja Gollas claim superiority over the others. Their origin is traced to Simhādri Rāju, who is supposed to have been a descendant of Yayāthi Rāja of the Mahābaratha. Yayāthi had six sons, the last of whom had a son named Kariyāvala, whose descendants were as follows: — Penubothi (his son). Avula Amurthammayya, I Kalugothi Ganganna. I Oli Raju. I . Simhadri Raju. 1 I . Peddi Erunuka Noranoka Poll Raju. Raju. Raju. Raju, The Gollas are believed to be descended from the four last kings. ​According to another legend, there were five brothers, named Pōli Rāju, Erranoku Rāju, Kātama Rāju, Peddi Rāju, and Errayya Rāju, who lived at Yellamanchili, which, as well as Sarvasiddhi, they built. The Rājas of Nellore advanced against them, and killed them, with all their sheep, in battle. On this, Janagamayya, the son of Peddi Rāju, who escaped the general slaughter, made up his mind to go to Kāsi (Benares), and offer oblations to his dead father and uncles. This he did, and the gods were so pleased with him that they transported him in the air to his native place.

Reference: https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Castes_and_Tribes_of_Southern_India/Golla Kalyanchandra165 (talk) 21:00, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Wikisource is not a reliable source per WP:USERGENERATED Lightoil (talk) 03:06, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Are Yadavs related to Kapu/Telaga/Balija communities or Naidu caste

Are Yadavs related to Kapu/Telaga/Balija communities or Naidu caste 35.131.205.74 (talk) 21:19, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

No, they aren't related Indica123 (talk) 12:15, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

They hold surnames such as Naidu in parts of Tamil Nadu especially in Dharmapuri and Krishnagiri Districts. Those surnames are held by them for a very long-time, centuries before independence. Nivethapalraj (talk) 11:40, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

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"add A few Krishna Golla's are Telugu speaking community and reside in parts of Krishnagiri District of Tamil Nadu, predominantly in Bargur Taluk. On the fourth day of Makarasankranthi, they pray to Katamaraju the great Yadava King who is also considered to be the direct lineage of Sri Krishna. They also claim to be the clan in which Sri Krishna was born. Hence the name Krishna Golla. A few Krishna Golla gotras are Sasalu, Akshantaya and Bangaru. A few family names are Pandu and Konga." Nivethapalraj (talk) 11:35, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

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