Talk:Grace Jones/Archive 1

Archive 1

Grace vs. GaGa

Grace Jones refused to work with GaGa and accused her of copy-catting, shouldn't this be included? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.209.61.107 (talk) 16:02, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

It was speculation, there is no verification of this, that is why. It may have been something she said on a whim but it has not developed into a full on celebrity feud. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greyrabbit12 (talk • contribs) 22:05, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Influence on the She-Ra Cartoon

In an episode of She-Ra, Skeletor brings a purple woman named Huntara to fight the main character. http://thefwoosh.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/blog_huntara_classic.jpg The character Huntara has a low voice, dark skin, and a Mohawk like Grace Jones. Like in A View to a Kill, Huntara goes from being an enemy to being a friend, similar to Jones' Bond girl. Many people who watch this episode said Huntara is unquestionably based upon Grace. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chumley41 (talk • contribs) 04:13, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Likely true, it ticks all the boxes for this silly woman. 213.205.194.21 (talk) 08:45, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Chinese Americans category?

Why is she in the category of Chinese Americans? Grace Jones is Jamaican and not Chinese at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.175.74.185 (talk) 08:26, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Citroën CX advertisment

Grace Jones also made the advertisment of the revamped Citroën CX "seriés 2" in 1986/1987. It was very popular in Europe and is still highly regarded because of its vanguardist visual concept where they tried to identify Jones' personality with that of the car itself as the final slogan stated "The wild beast". Try search Citroën CX in Youtube. I think this should be included in the main article by someone who speaks (and writes) better english than I do.

Taking the top role/Bond

What does it mean exactly that she insisted on taking the "top" role? In a variety of sexual lexicons this means various things. Did they have an S&M encounter where she was the master? Did she snally penetrate him with something? Or does this simply mean she was "on the top" during their lovemaking? Please clarify. Pacian 15:13, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

I've seen the film. I think most normal people would read this as meaning that she went on top; which she did. Lupine Proletariat 13:50, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

That is most likely; it would not have affected Bond’s dominant role in any case. Just in case, I've made 'top role' into a link to Woman on top sex position. -- (Random wikipedia user.)

Baritone?

Guys, that is 'language'. The deepest voice of a woman is the ALTO. "Her natural baritone is used on songs like >Slave To The Rhythm,< while she is able to hit high notes on >La Vie En Rose<". I suppose this should be "Her natural alto ... ". -andy 80.129.117.205 15:03, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

There have been plenty of women who can go down to a baritonal voice. Alto is lowest female register but that doesn't mean women have to stop there cuz guys can sing soprano on rare occasions.

If anyone wants to go into this, please have a look at Vocal range. You would need to find out what the lowest range of notes is she can 'meaningfully employ'. If she had a baritone's range (which I personnally doubt, because I think it's more the timbre of her voice than anything else which makes it so distinctive (but I haven't investigated)), then there would be nothing wrong with calling it that. Countertenors (i.e. men singing higher than tenor range) are often called alto or soprano as well. --Radioflux 15:21, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Just a little something: "sprechstimme" is the wrong word in this context. It should be "Sprechgesang". "Stimme" actually means "voice".

Stella (German native speaker ;-))

Double entendre, anyone?

"In September 1998, Jones was banned from all Disney properties worldwide after baring her breasts in a concert at Walt Disney World.[4] She also exposed her buttocks in A View to a Kill as she was fighting Christopher Walken in a G-string style outfit, followed by an interrupted love scene."

I revised the wording of this, so that it doesn't allow people to wonder what Christopher Walken was doing in a G-string style outfit. Then I watched Groucho Marx shooting an elephant in his pajamas. -- ChrisWinter 23:23, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I found this sentence strange for even being here. Did it cause some particular controversy that she bared her buttocks? What actor hasn't bared some kind of private part in film or real life? Is there something I'm missing? Also, the fact that this sentence follows a reference to Walt Disney made me think that it had something more to do with Walt Disney than with the indecent exposure. (If it confused me, it will probably confuse others, can we fix this up?) Icemuon 10:12, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Unreleased albums

I just noticed that the albums Black Marilyn and Force Of Nature have been added into the Grace Jones article. Apparantly, they are albums she recorded during the nineties but never released. Can someone please back up this claim? I've never heard about either of these albums. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.84.54.87 (talk) 01:03, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Discography & non-album discography

I have recently been adding some information on the Grace Jones discography and intend to add more soon. I like the way the singles from a certain album are listed under the album information but some detail seems to be lacking (eg. catalogue numbers of releases). Also is it interesting to add all the single releases if they do not contain anything new? For example some singles used the straight album version and therefore the single is possibly only interesting for the sleeve. Dean 13:59, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't understand why the singles list, separated by album, keeps being combined into one long list. I understand this may not fit some pre-determined Wikipedia format, but surely there must be a way to reformat it without sacrificing the information (which some may find helpful).

In addition, the Non-Album Singles entries wouldn't really belong anywhere else, and they are simply being erased. If anyone can think of a better place for them, let's work together to create a complete Grace Jones entry. I've worked very hard obtaining that information, and I don't appreciate it being arbitrarily erased. It is my understanding that this online encyclopedia is a collaborative effort, not a place to erase information on a whim. Fraykis 19:16, 19 February 2007 (UTC)Fraykis

Your Non-Album Singles list was not erased "on a whim" but because it was unformatted - in Wikipedia terms - and appeared a likely candidate for having been simply cut and pasted from another source. If you have as you say "worked hard" at obtaining that information then why not put it in a standard Wikipedia format? Titles and years are sufficient detail for a discography in the main artist article, as in the Album and Singles subsections. Also your reversions have eliminated the work done reorganising sections and headings into a more logical order and standard format per WP:MOS, and changing single titles per WP:SONG. Further, there is no need to separate singles into album-related groups, it just makes the list longer and harder to follow. Wikipedia standards and guidelines are not set in stone and continually evolve, but they exist because the community has decided, after much trial-and-error and discussion, that they offer the best presentation of this information. I'm prepared to continue discussion re. the non-album singles data because it does include additional data - though more than appropriate for this article - but the rest really needs to go back to how it was before your last reversion. Cheers, Ian Rose 14:01, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for engaging in discussion. I'll accept that the non-album singles data was unformatted re: Wikipedia standards, but it was most assuredly not cut and pasted from any other source. Grace Jones discography data is extremely rare and, to my knowledge, no official discography exists. As I said before, I understood this online encyclopedia to be a collaborative effort; for example, I could provide the information, and you could convert the information to the correct format. This is certainly preferable to simply eliminating the information, isn't it? IMHO, I'd rather have information that doesn't conform to a specific format than no information at all.

I'll concede your point for the singles list, and I hope we can work together to make a comprehensive Grace Jones page.

Have a good day. Fraykis 22:28, 20 February 2007 (UTC)Fraykis

Okay, I've done some looking around and accept that the data is not a copy from elsewhere. Based on the above I'll revert to the earlier edit that wikified and reorganised slightly the main body of the article and the Singles list but leave the Non-Album Singles list to discuss a few things. Don't get me wrong, I'm by nature an 'inclusionist', not an 'exclusionist', but we need consistency in our presentation to add to the encyclopedic flavour of the thing. The issue with the non-album singles is not simply the formatting but the detail being much greater than the 'album singles'. Can you provide similar detail for them? There's also the content/criteria for this list. For instance what's your definition of a non-album single, given that say "Living My Life" was from an album, as I think are one or two others? You see where I'm coming from? Cheers, Ian Rose 08:57, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm pleased with the format as it stands now. I recognize that the "non-album singles" section sounds awkward, but I can't figure out where else to put it, so we should probably leave it for now. By this time, I have added the same level of data for all singles on the various Grace Jones album pages.

In terms of content/criteria, this section is for singles released, commercially or promotionally, that were not album tracks. The song "Living My Life", ironically, was not included on the album of the same name. Three of the others appeared on movie soundtrack albums, but those were various artist compilations, not GJ albums proper.

Have a good day.

Fraykis

Accordion?

I did some research into this last year and couldn't find any credits for her performing accordion on any of her albums. (Accordion, yes; by her, no.) Yet in her profile box it says: "Vocals, accordion". Can we get a source on that last one? The closest evidence I was able to find was footage of her in music videos (and recordings of live performances) sensuously pumping and running her hands over a broken accordion while pretending to play it. Pseudo Intellectual (talk) 11:39, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Birth name

Why is her birth name listed as Grace Mendoza? When her parents surnames are listed as Jones? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.80.111.132 (talk) 23:34, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Her birth name is still a mystery, there have been videos on Grace Jones, where they have given biographical information on Jones, using the last name 'Mendoza', for an instance, in this video. . but we cannot go by this as Jones could have corrected them shortly after the video was released, we need to get our hands on something official.

References

Faulty link

I don't know how to fix links because I've barely done any editing on Wikipedia, but in the list of album/song compilations, the last album, supposedly called Eternity, links to the wrong definition/description of eternity. From what I could tell from the disambiguation of the word eternity, there is no current article on Wikipedia describing this particular Grace Jones album. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.173.59.115 (talk) 13:48, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Associated acts

Excuse me but what are those people doing in the associated acts box? Just because they have produced a several songs for Grace Jones doesn't make them associated acts, right? Otherwise you'd have to put everyone who she's ever worked for in there! What about Tom Moulton? He's produced her first albums then. Aren't associated acts, acts that the article's subject has been involved with for work of those people or somethign similar? Like, You'd have Blondie as ass. act for Debbie Harry, Eurythmics, Tourists for Annie Lennox etc, or Inner Life, Change for Jocelyn Brown. Please whoever did this explain? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.48.113.244 (talk) 01:09, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Soprano voice? I don't think so

sHE 's rather deep contralto —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.131.137.50 (talk) 03:48, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. Definately not soprano.

Citizenship

Does she currently hold Jamaican citizenship, U.S. citizenship, or both? Nietzsche 2 (talk) 01:11, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Razzie Award

It's mentioned that she was nominated for a Razzie, but it's not specified which or when? 121.55.196.124 (talk) 07:47, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Film appearances

She also had a supporting role in No Place Like Home, a film by the late Perry Henzell (Harder They Come) set in Jamaica. It was an interesting role as she played a Jamaican, complete with her natural accent etc. I don't know if this film has been released, but I saw it at a screening in Jamaica shortly after Henzell's death. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.230.40.198 (talk) 02:48, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

INTRUMENTS PLAYED BY MISS GRACE JONES

She ALSO plays bandoneon/accordion very well. She played this instrument during presentation of "La vie en rose' composed by Edith Piaf. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.89.157.226 (talk) 18:49, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Modeling career

Is it possible that there isn't anything to write about her modeling career except that single line? Dollvalley (talk) 23:17, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Dolph et. al.?

No spouse(s), inamorata(s), partner(s) SO, etc.? 72.228.177.92 (talk) 14:45, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, where is her 'personal life' section? Would make interesting reading and help the piece as a whole. --78.101.147.134 (talk) 09:58, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Most notable Singles?

This list keeps expanding. The title has a POV flavour and how are we deciding what is "most notable"? What are the criteria for a single making this list? --BwB (talk) 09:40, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Repetition

How many times does the following need to appear : "a severe, androgynous look, with square-cut hair and angular, padded clothes," -- it could do with some tidying! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.149.176.118 (talk) 22:11, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Good catch. I removed repeated phrases where I felt it would do no harm, and changed the wording to what was left. Not a perfect job, but the over-repetition is gone, and with any luck someone will polish up my work.--Martin IIIa (talk) 01:55, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Terrible Picture

Can someone please change her current picture? It doesn't depict her properly at all. I would change if I knew how to. Thanks very much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.91.89.27 (talk) 19:49, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

It is a terrible picture, and rather foolish besides, and so suits the subject very well. Best leave it as is.

John:

I appreciate your help in this article; however, before you insist on removing anything else I have added to this page, please hear me out. I took the liberty of contacting the writers of the material that was in the section "Music and voice", and asked them if they would like to contribute their material, they said "yes", "copy and paste" what I would like, but link the material to their page, the same thing with the pictures I added in the section applies. You also removed a picture that I found from Wiki Commons? And the recent edits of the titles I made in the biography section? I'm not a plagiarist, just a devoted fan, trying to add a lot more information to Grace's page than what it already had. My email is Tony.R.Vario @ Gmail.com, please refer to emailing before making such drastic decisions like this, also I can provide you with the communication between the rightful artists, so we can keep what it was that put on the page. If you would, please put what I had back up on the page, thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Avario87 (talk • contribs) 10:49, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

John:

You did a wonderful job with Madonna, do you think we could give Grace the same attention? I will help you out in any way I can, also would it be possible on disabling edits to Grace's page with the exception of some of us, like you and me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Avario87 (talk • contribs) 03:05, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

No, we can't do that. --John (talk) 20:51, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Gay icon

Why is this a section on its own? Sourced to a YouTube video? I don't get that. --John (talk) 20:52, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Grace Jones

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Grace Jones's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "allmusic":

• From Ring of Fire (song): https://www.allmusic.com/album/mw0001443273
• From Brazilian Girls: Jeffries, David. "Brazilian Girls / AllMusic". Allmusic.com. Retrieved 25 July 2009.
• From Love Shoulda Brought You Home: "Toni Braxton > Charts & Awards > Billboard Singles". Allmusic. Retrieved 2008-10-14.
• From Private Life: The Compass Point Sessions: Thomas Erlewine. "Private Life: The Compass Point Sessions - Grace Jones". www.allmusic.com. Retrieved 2006-12-28.
• From Secret Secrets: "Secret Secrets", Allmusic. Retrieved 2 May 2013.
• From The Hunter Gets Captured by the Game: "The Marvelettes". www.allmusic.com. Retrieved 2012-01-12.
• From Le Freak: "Chic > Charts & Awards > Billboard Singles". Allmusic. Retrieved November 28, 2009 (2009-11-28). {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help)
• From Zonoscope: Sendra, Tim. "Zonoscope – Cut Copy". Allmusic. Rovi Corporation. Retrieved 8 February 2011.
• From The Police: Erlewine, Stephen Thomas (2007). "The Police > Biography". allmusic. Retrieved 29 March 2009.
• From Inside Story (Grace Jones album): Ron Wynn. "Inside Story - Grace Jones". www.allmusic.com. Retrieved 2006-12-28.
• From CeCe Peniston: "CeCe Peniston > Charts & Awards". Allmusic. (Rovi Corporation). Retrieved 2010-09-23.
• From Killer Pussy: allmusic Bikini Wax review
• From Nipple to the Bottle: "Grace Jones". www.allmusic.com. Retrieved 2012-01-06.
• From Give U My Heart: "Boomerang > Charts & Awards > 'Billboard Singles". Allmusic. Retrieved 2008-10-15.
• From Lil' Kim: Erlewine, Stephen Thomas (2008). "Lil' Kim > Biography". Retrieved 2009-03-30.
• From Santigold: Lymangrover, Jason. "Santogold". AllMusic. Rovi Corporation. Retrieved March 7, 2008.
• From I'm Not Perfect (But I'm Perfect for You): "Grace Jones". www.allmusic.com. Retrieved 2009-10-16.
• From The Idiot (album): https://www.allmusic.com/album/r15535

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 07:54, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

References

We cannot use Wikipedia articles as sources. Amazon entries and YouTube are suspect too. --John (talk) 19:56, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Can you use album artwork as pictures in an article?

I don't know what Wikipedia's policy is on that.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Avario87 (talk • contribs)

It's not allowed. --John (talk) 05:42, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Performances

I've raised with the editor concerned my concerns with the material added here. I have a very strong gut feeling that it is a copyvio. Pending clarification I think we should remove it. -- John (talk) 22:51, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Grace Jones/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Wizardman (talk · contribs) 00:58, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

I'll review this article shortly. Wizardman 00:58, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Overall, reading through this article, I see some promise, but I also see a lot of issues that make this article short of GA status:

• Three references in the first line of the lead isn't necessary. If the name and birthdate have to be reffed then they can be refed in the early life section.
• "Jones and her siblings were raised by grandparents," were raised by her grandparents.
• The section about Syracuse is confusing. Right now, it reads like she went to college at 16 at the latest. If so, that's worth noting in the article, and if not, that paragraph has to be restructured. Really, it should be anyway, since it's a bit haphazard, jumping to the play, new york, and to modelling very quickly.
• "She signed on as a model with Wilhelmina Modelling agency. and took every opportunity to audition for parts in plays and films" should be a comma, not a period as is, but in reality the second half of that sentence is completely unnecessary and can be removed.
• "She moved to Paris in 1970.[17][18] The Parisian fashion scene was receptive to Jones' unusual androgynous, bold, dark-skinned appearance" this bunch is one of my main issues with the article; you have two references for a rather basic fact, yet none for a sentence that certainly needs it, especially given the tone used.
• "Jones was signed by Island Records" I feel like we're missing something, given that this is the very first part of the music career. Was she discovered? Was it a transition form the modeling? Right now it reads like she decided to do it on a whim one day or something.
• "Originally appearing on the 1976 Italian film, Colt 38 Special Squad)" there's no left parenthesis in the article anywhere.
• The second paragraph of Disco trilogy is completely unsourced. From here on I just skimmed and noted issues:
• The second paragraph of Compass Point and the first paragraph of 1990s are unsourced.
• "Jones is currently working on a new album with producer Ivor Guest, and on a book of memoirs, but meanwhile Universal Music Group will release a deluxe edition of her Nightclubbing album as a 2 disc set and Blu-ray audio on April 24, 2014. The set will contain all of the 12" mixes of singles from that album, plus two previoulsy unreleased tracks from the Nightclubbing sessions, including a cover of the Gary Numan track Me! I Disconnect From You." this reads like a press release, has some grammatical errors/typos, and can be condensed big time.
• In the filmography, the notes section is blank throughout, so there's no point having it.
• To me the names of the sections are rather long and could be trimmed a bit.
• The personal life section seems unnecessary. The first para can be part of early life, and the second one can be merged in the appropriate timeframe as well.
• "Jones's real last name is often referred to as "Mendoza". This in fact is not her last name but a name she used to fool her parents when she was in her early-twenties.[85]" If this is a name she used in her career or if there's more to the story, then expand on it. If not, it seems unnecessary.

The prose, while it needs work, isn't quite in auto-fail territory, but my main concern is the referencing, and that puts it into that level:

• Just in the first ten references, I see a Wordpress and a Blogspot site. Those don't count as reliable sources. Neither does NNDB, which is near the end of the article.
• Roughly 10-15 of the references are missing publisher information.
• The dead reference is of questionable reliability and should be replaced.
• Ref 44 (Images) is not only unreliable, but the domain is no longer in use.
• There are multiple deadlinks: see here.
• There's several other sources that, while technically show what they're referencing, aren't really good to use here. I see a pinterest ref on top of the earlier image ref, to use one example for that. Stick with news and book sources.

Overall, this article needs a lot of TLC to become a GA. It has a pretty good foundation, and some of the sections are in good shape. Others, however, struggle to keep up, and it does have a haphazard feel as a result. Due to this I'm failing the article, and would like to see all the above issues fixed before a renomination. Wizardman 01:24, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Sourcing genres

This article has seen numerous genres added, removed and shuffled around, often with no explanation and usually without citing a source: genre warring. To remedy this situation, I took a cue from WP:GWAR which I have found helpful in other articles: citing reliable sources for the genres. I took the first several sources cited in the article and replaced the random selection of genres listed with the genres used by those sources, cited them and Bob's your uncle.[1]

Soon enough, there was an edit "fixed up some linking of references"[2] (removing several citations and adding an additional -- apparently unsourced -- genre, by Sandtex. Immediately after, another edit (by an IP, no edit summary) removed a genre, shifted on cite and added a few more genres.

Binksternet reverted one of the edits,[3] citing GWAR, while I was restoring the previous, fully cited list.[4]

Stating that "source calls her R&B-pop", Sandtex again removed several of the cites and added Contemporary R&B. R&B-pop or, perhaps, contemporary R&B may be in one of the sources. Other than guessing which one or digging through all of them, I can't verify this.

I restored my version, asking that editors not add genres without citing a source and not remove sources. I have now been informed that citing sources is "overlinking", a usage of the term that does not match my understanding.

Poppytheschnauzer now disputes "Contemporary R&B".

We are, of course, well past someone bolding changing around the list, me reverting and, well, it's well past time to discuss it.

IMO, inline sources for genres and rejection of genres without cites will cure the GWAR here. Comments? - SummerPhD^v2.0 16:09, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

SummerPhDv2.0 WRONG! what I did was added a source which calls her an R&B-pop artist, I just removed the over links from reggae, electro, dub and new wave as I said you were going OTT on the overlinking references only the last one (new wave in this instance) needed to have the reference, it is not a genre war all it is was me removing the overlinking of the genres, if reggae, electro, dub and new wave all had a separate reference for each of the genres, sure I'd have left it be, but in that case I did the right thing; I saved someone else the hassle of having to remove <ref name="Biog"> at some later date. Please understand I'm not doing this to sound like a smart arse; I'm just helping you out with it. Sandtex (talk) 16:30, 8 May 2016 (UTC) Sandtex has been indefinitely blocked as yet another sock of MariaJaydHicky. - SummerPhD^v2.0 14:18, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

I am not saying that you are edit-warring. I am saying the article has had edit warring. I am trying to set things up to 1) make it clear that the genres are all sourced and 2) make any unsourced additions more obvious.

"Overlinking" refers to wikilinks, not inline source cites.

The reason I added sources for each one is twofold: 1) so that readers (myself included) can easily verify that each genre is supported by a reliable source and 2) to make it perfectly clear when genres are added without a reliable source.

Your proposed version has cites here and there, leaving some genres without obvious sources. While you seem to be trying to reduce the number of notes to the bare minimum, there is no obvious pattern: the [4] appears for both bisco and new wave, leaving (to my eye) no obvious indication that "reggae" and "electro" are sourced. - SummerPhD^v2.0 12:40, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Well, now that Sandtex[5] and Poppytheschnauzer[6] won't be discussing this any further, I'll be restoring my version of the genre list. - SummerPhD^v2.0 21:51, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Religion

The sidebar lists her religion as Pentecostal while further down the page is a description of how her upbringing made her profoundly uncomfortable with the church. Can the sidebar text be clarified to something like "raised pentecostal; not religious" (I'm not real sure how she identifies)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.56.54.139 (talk) 05:05, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

The sidebar lists her religion as Pentecostal because that is what the sources say her religion was. The sources seem to indicate a distancing from that faith. If she is now "not religious", we will need a reliable source saying that before we can say it. In any case, her religion does not seem to be an important aspect of her notability and has no place in the infobox. - SummerPhD^v2.0 12:41, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

R&B, pop

Well, Rednbluengreen and Gentlecollapse6 seem to be having a disruptive little "'Fraid not! Take it to the talk page!", "'Fraid so! You take it to the talk page!" dispute.

Time for you to both take it to the talk page. - SummerPhD^v2.0 18:30, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 November 2017

Documentary : Bloodlight and Bami 2017 Hctih80 (talk) 15:49, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Not really sure what you mean there. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:50, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format.  — Ammarpad (talk) 16:40, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 January 2018

There is no mention of the documentary Bloodlight and Bami (2017) by Sophie Fiennes. Hctih80 (talk) 16:18, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:58, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 December 2018

Grace Jones is an influencer with her breaking of stereotypes of being a black woman who does not allow herself to be place into a box. Grace Jones was seen as manly or a typical “angry black woman”. Jones sold this stereotype in the film 1992 Boomerang. She played the dark, angry black woman who makes a scene and plays on the a stereotype that black woman have uncontrollable tempers. When becoming an artist, Jones did not want to sing because her voice was too deep for a woman. But she did not allow this to be a barrier, for she was able to influence other women. Jones used her eccentric and scary aspects to prove a point in her music, to draw attention to these stereotypes, and show that they do not define her. She did not let society categorize her or put her into a box. One’s sexuality is the biggest category society put people in and it is decided for a person upon birth. Sexually, Jones had ties to the LGBTQ community and redefined the terms and measures within that community. By changing gender norms and setting an example for others. She framed her sexuality and used it to brand herself. Jones had a great influence on the superstars of today’s generation such as Nicki Manaj. Her music video copied Grace Jones by being in a cage and selling her sexuality. Another example is her influence on the artist Ze Taylor whose video was based off of Grace Jones and showed that black boys can be feminine. It takes a stab at today’s society and shows how not all gay men are the stereotypical girly and glamorous characters but can rap and spit bars as well. Jones has influenced a major celebrity in todays society: Kim Kardashian in a photoshoot in 2014. Jones had a major presence in the fashion and modeling industry as well and is a legend and icon with her photos that are still being idolized today. Lastly, she has broken boundaries for all kinds of celebrities such as Jefferey Star who has no pronouns that they identify with and no specific sexuality because Star does not categorize with a group or label. Star is similar to Jones in that they both are making a presence for themselves in multiple industries and being very successful within them. They both stand as voices and faces for the LGBTQ community through their legacies and influences. Alanawalker14 (talk) 21:35, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Note that to call something a ‘stereotype’ admits that it is true in outline - that being what ‘stereotype’ means. You say so yourself when you say ‘not all are’. That implies ‘but most are’. Any addition should include the fact that the dominant paradigm is being supported here, as it is accurate.

Are you suggesting any change to the article? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:42, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Izno (talk) 21:48, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Height?

I can't find a WP:RS cite on Jones' height - the Daily Mail, which is a deprecated source 'cos it just makes stuff up a lot, says 5' 10 1/2", and I see various heights from 5'8" to 5'11" in non-RSes ... is there an actually reliable source on her height? Currently I've left the DM claim in but with a {{cn}} - David Gerard (talk) 11:16, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Born 1948 or 1952?

When I looked up Grace Jones on allmusic.com it read that she was born in 1952. The link to The Scurra has no information whatsoever on Grace Jones. When I click reference number 5 she is said to be born in 1952 although "some sources cite 1948". Isn't it possible to settle the date? Does anybody have some sort of biography of her where the confusion is further explained?

Ugluspegill (talk) 18:56, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

See the discussion further down this page: Grace Jones' biography states that her mother Marjorie was born in 1930, that Grace was Marjorie's third child, and that Marjorie had six children by the time she was 22. So although there is no indication that 1948 is correct, Grace must have been born before 1952. AlanD1956 (talk) 07:23, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Born 1948 or 1952

Currently, we say "Grace Jones was born in 1948[2] (though most sources say 1952[3][5][6][7][8]".

2 (The Guardian) does not say 1948. Why we would prefer this non-source source to a multitude of others is a mystery. That said:

• 3 (biography.com) actually says 1948 (despite what we say it says), with the note "(Some sources have given the year as 1952, and the performer has later stated she doesn't keep track of her age.)"
• www.filmreference.com/film/38/Grace-Jones.html 5 (filmreference.com) says "Born May 19, 1952 (some sources cite 1948)".
• 6 (MTV) gives 1952 with no equivocation.
• 7 (Syracuse University Press) gives an unqualified 1952.
• 8 (encyclopedia.com) says 1952.

I can't begin to guess where we came up with the idea that 1948 is concrete and 1952 is questionable, but that's what our current text implies. We've dealt with similar issues before and -- absent anything explaining the situation -- we typically report both dates with equal standing.

Comments before I change this? - SummerPhD^v2.0 16:18, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

This seems never to have been resolved. We give numerous sources for the supposedly spurious year 1952, but precisely zero (count them, 0) for the supposedly correct year 1948. We just say all those other sources that say 1952 are wrong, and assert our own year 1948, without a single source to back us up. This is not the way Wikipedia works, and it needs to be addressed immediately. If there's a source for 1948 that comprehensively debunks all the 1952 sources, then SHOW IT. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 20:51, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Grace Jones' biography states (on page 4) that her mother Marjorie was born in 1930, that Grace was Marjorie's third child, and that Marjorie had six children by the time she was 22. So although there is no indication that 1948 is correct, Grace must have been born before 1952. AlanD1956 (talk) 07:24, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Her maternal grandfather

The article currently has "Marjorie's father, William, was also a musician, and played with Nat King Cole.[25]". (It's 25 as I post; it may of course change as the article is edited.)

Well, Marjorie's surname was Williams, and [25] appears not to have the man's forename, so the ", William," could be a simple mistake. As for having played with Cole, when? where? once? on any recordings? Suppose it was only once, does that prevent it from being mentioned in his granddaughter's wikipedia entry? Or does it mean it should be removed? Personally, I would like to see more evidence: his name; when he played with NKC; and more evidence of him being a musician. Or else removing ", William,". Nick Barnett (talk) 21:50, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

On page 14 of Grace's autobiography, she gives her maternal grandfather's name as John Williams. It says that he played with the calypso pioneer Rupert Lyon, but does not mention Nat King Cole. AlanD1956 (talk) 07:30, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Additional movie credit as of April 13, 2018 -- "Grace Jones: Bloodlight and Bami"

Here is the film's IMDB page http://www.imdb.com/title/tt6903636/?ref_=nv_sr_2 Here is a link to its critical reception http://www.metacritic.com/movie/grace-jones-bloodlight-and-bami

Sorry, I would have made this change myself, but I am locked out of this page. FloridajournalistFloridajournalist (talk) 20:30, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

At present, 'Bloodlight and Bami' is listed on Grace's entry under the heading 'documentaries'. Personally I think it is a sufficiently noteworthy documentary to merit its own Wikipedia page. But the last time that I drafted a new Wikipedia page (for the Iggy Pop film 'Blood Orange'), I faced a remarkable degree of opposition from a couple of editors (at least of whom appeared to be something of a 'troll') who apparently had a low opinion of Iggy Pop and did not think that the film was important enough to merit a Wikipedia entry. So I am hesitant about drafting a page for Bloodlight and Bami unless it becomes clear that other editors share my high opinion of it. AlanD1956 (talk) 07:45, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 February 2023

The wrong John Doran is linked in the article. I'd recommend removing the article link completely. "According to John Doran" IcelandicDoughnut (talk) 17:44, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

 Done - FlightTime (open channel) 19:27, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Source?

If "most sources say 1952" is her birth year, on what is the 1948 year given in the article based? Random intuition? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.95.43.253 (talk) 01:06, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 May 2023

Change 74 age to 75 78.16.226.187 (talk) 20:56, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

 Done Callmemirela 🍁 21:10, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 August 2024

Add

Grace Jones performed at San Francisco's Outside Lands Music Festival on Aug. 10, 2024 and debuted her song "The Key" for the first time in the US. 157.131.203.172 (talk) 03:41, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Left guide (talk) 23:45, 15 August 2024 (UTC)