Talk:Grapefruit/Archive 1

Tastes bad

I am surprised that there is still not a section that mentions that the grapefruit tastes terrible. Is it not a bit irresponsible to forget that? Otherwise someone might read this article, buy a grapefruit, and have a pretty bad afternoon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.64.181.142 (talk) 23:13, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

That's a matter of opinion. I think they're nummy.  :) Schoop (talk) 13:41, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Right on! White grapefruit all the way, baby! --Knulclunk (talk) 15:48, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

I, too, was surprised at the lack of a mention, at least, of the fact that many people find grapefruit particularly bitter and unpalatable. Someone who knows how to link and reference should work on that. There are studies related to the genetic sensitivity to certain taste compounds, and grapefruit is a pretty common example. Grapefruit is even referenced in the Supertasters article as a food supertasterrs often have particular problems with. Biting into a grapefruit is like chewing a citrus flavored aspirin (regular, not chewable) for me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.2.127.191 (talk) 00:10, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

I suspect genetic sensitivity must play a role. I love grapefruit, olives, pickles, black pepper, coconut... all that stuff. My wife hates it all. Hmmmmm--Knulclunk (talk) 04:12, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Do you guys really mean bitter? Grapefruit is extremely 'sour', meaning acid. Its peel may have elements of bitterness, but do you really taste that in the flesh of the fruit? Bitterness is more about alkalinity, and about avoidance of alkaloids. However, I won't attempt even a minor edit without some feedback on this point, as taste is so objective! Cjsunbird (talk) 22:05, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes, obviously bitter. Have you never tasted it? I can't think of anything else that so well-defines the concept of 'bitterness'. Bienfuxia (talk) 07:50, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

I have to agree with Cjsunbird here. I would never have thought of grapefruit as being bitter, but rather as being sour. Things that "define the concept of bitterness" to me are dark chocolate and very green vegetables (e.g. kale). Bitter and sour are often confused, but I've been unable to find an authoritative source that clearly explains the distinction.91.106.92.86 (talk) 15:50, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

if you think about the difference between the taste of a lemon and the taste of a grapefruit, the distinction should be clear. Grapefruit IS sour, yes, but it is also bitter - unlike other citrus fruits. Bienfuxia (talk) 02:15, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

I have to admit I outright came to this talk page because I was confused about the prominent use of the adjective 'sour' in the article, expecting it to be some larger point of contention. I'd also definitely say it tastes bitter, as per Bienfuxia. (For the record, I really like grapefruit.) I find the taste comparable to Bitter Lemon (the drink), which definitely has a strong bitter component (unlike lemon juice). What kind of source could we look for that might clear up the terminology here? Would 'sour and bitter' work better? I was honestly confused that I didn't find it in the lede paragraph. -pinkgothic (talk) 14:04, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

[1] if this information, which I'm SURE many reliable sources can be found for, isn't already in the article, then this article is VERY flawed.... Yes it's bitter, but not for everyone. — raekyt 20:05, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Here is the problem: you people are not eating the same fruit. Grapefruit matures on the tree. Once it it picked it stops developing sugar. I knew an old grower who said that no grapefruit should be picked before Thanksgiving. This gives the majority of the fruit time to produce sugar to match the acid. The best, sweetest, grapefruit isn't picked until February. However, a lot of growers pick the fruit early for economic reasons. Grapefruit picked in October or November will be sour, grapefruit picked in February or March will be sweet, no sugar needed to be put on it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.147.123.24 (talk) 15:11, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Requested additions

Could we add some information here about when the grapefruit is in season? Also, one of those boxes with the scientific classification would be nice.

2. what is the crop price

3. what is the yeld per acre per sezon.

4 what are the variation of above variables —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.15.124.119 (talk) 19:23, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

questionable info in "colors"

I question the "Colors" section's accuracy. For instance, I cannot find any reference to a Magnolia Grapefruit. Also, I cannot find anything like this scheme anywhere else. The references I can find talk about white, pink and red varieties. Please provide a reference. -- WormRunner | Talk 02:11, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)

material moved from main page:

Colors

Grapefruit come in many varieties, determinable by color, which is caused by the pigmentation of the fruit in question in respect of both its state of ripeness and genetic bent.

• green
• red
• pink
• yellow
• peach
• magnolia
• orange
• brown

— Preceding unsigned comment added by WormRunner (talk • contribs) 04:37, 17 January 2005 (UTC)

GSE info

Can the article's part about the Grapefruit Seed Extract be expanded (widened) a little? Something like http://www.gfex.com/index2.html

Maybe a little background, further applications etc. It's practical usage is a quite valuable information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.151.209.62 (talk) 10:13, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

• Can someone verify/expand upon the bit about GSE's antioxidant properties? I looked at several abstracts about GSE's antimicrobial abilities, but nothing about antioxidants. Bad ideas 07:19, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
• There is an article on Grapefruit seed extract. -- WormRunner 04:13, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Hardcore good for you

Anyone see any reason for this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.210.0.23 (talk) 16:05, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

~~I don't know, but it brightened my day! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.59.187.173 (talk) 21:51, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Grapefruit and drug interaction

Can somebody review the info about drug interactions with grapefruit juice. Drug Interactions with Grapefruit Juice: An Evidence-Based Overview is a valuable reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.77.147.68 (talk) 17:06, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

- I've never commented in a discussion, so I apologize if I'm out of place. The CYP3A4 inhibitor effects look correct. It's also an inhibitor (although to a lesser extent, I believe) of CYPs 1A2, 2A6, 2C9, 2C19, 2D6, 2E1. Reference here: [2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.152.222.240 (talk) 15:46, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

All operate in drug metabolization to some degree. 2D6 is particularly important. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.152.222.240 (talk) 15:52, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

There's been recent press releases about furanocoumarin being the cause of the increased drug absorption which seems to conflict with the information in this article. This info needs to be corrected. 148.87.1.171 — Preceding undated comment added 18:26, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Lots of drugs are metabolised by CYP3A4: I've added a few more that are known. The issue is complicated by the fact that grapefruit juice appears to inhbit primarily intestinal CYP3A4 and not hepatic (liver) CYP3A4. Jed 20:50, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

This is to vague for me, please post some scientific evidence, since the given link does not really contain cross-references, but only dead-link-numbers. JKW 23:13, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

The warning labels on statins have recently been changed to "avoid taking with large quantities of grapefruit." When I asked the pharmacist, she explained the amount of grapefruit you need to consume to get enough of the compounds to have an effect are staggering. Basically, you'd have to eat grapefruit nonstop all day long. It's really not an issue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.166.114.218 (talk) 13:58, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Some odd stuff

[3] Kind of a lame reason to ban the use of the word grapefruit juice. Wonder if its worth mentioning it in the main article? Under some title like "Lame trivia" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wk muriithi (talk • contribs) 03:09, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Images

This article definitely needs more images. I don't know how to put images on a page, but if someone does than please do. Try to get at least one with the fruit cut open. loulou 17:23, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Grapefruit seed extract

I have deleted much of the text in medicinal uses, not because I disagree with it, but because it is poorly arranged and redundant. This is hashed out in Grapefruit seed extract and does not need to fill up an article about the fruit. It is enough to note that GSE is not the antimicrobial product it is claimed to be. -- WormRunner 04:11, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Grapefruit Article has Quality Scientific Information about GSE.

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia with detailed and well researched information. Science is Beautiful! Please read the information about GSE, however, do not add anymore info to it. Rather, if you want to add more info you can update the original GSE article by going to the link provided. * Access the article on Grapefruit seed extract here. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.42.128.68 (talk) 03:53, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Citrus paradisi or Maxima ?

I think grapefruit is "Citrus maxima". Citrus paradisi is the latin name of Pomelo. Or maybe it's a french inversion. What we call Pomelo is a sugar fruit and what we call "Pamplemousse" is a more bitter fruit. It seems that in english, Pomelo is the one which is more bitter and grapefruit more sweet. Can anyone confirm ? ThxAbrahami 17:01, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello Abrahami, I believe citrus paradisi is grapefruit and citrus grandis is Pomelo. I hope this helps. GrapefruitFarmer 02:09, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Forbidden fruit?

Uh, where did this assertion come from? –BozoTheScary 18:15, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Forbidden fruit = grapefruit. Google for the facts. GrapefruitFarmer 21:51, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, it would have been helpful if the original contributor had Googled for citations. Anyway, there is weak support out there for a fraction of the assertions in the original, so I will revert myself to some degree. Simply put, the first European documentor of grapefruit called it the "forbidden fruit" and a few subsequent other authors. There is no ready evidence to suggest that any other cultures ever called it "forbidden" or that anyone ever thought that it was poisonous, other than those that appear to reference this article. –BozoTheScary 22:11, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Click Here: >>> http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=forbidden+fruit+grapefruit&prssweb=Search&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-501&x=wrt GrapefruitFarmer 22:36, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Yep, they all either reference Hughes or one of his followers-on or just say "was called 'forbidden'" without saying by whom or when. Again, support for Hughes being the one to first name it that, a name that was promptly culturally ignored, but nothing about any groups at any time calling it 'forbidden' nor anyone asserting that it was ever considered poisonous, like the original "Lore" section asserted. If anything, it appears to be too new of a hybrid to have been around long enough for anyone to have called it anything much before Hughes got around to it, much less long enough for there to have been anything even remotely describable as 'lore'. –BozoTheScary 00:55, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

I't wouldn't have anything to with the "thorns" on the tree itself, that would give a person a sense of apprehension "when picking be forwarned" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.156.130.24 (talk) 13:17, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

In The Natural History of the Island of Barbados, Book V, Hughes describes the "Shaddock-Tree", the "Lesser Shaddock-Tree", and the "Wild Shaddock". (reference: https://archive.org/stream/mobot31753000322294#page/124/mode/2up ) Then, later on and separately, Hughes describes the "Forbidden-Fruit-Tree" as one whose fruit "hath somewhat the Taste of a Shaddock; but far exceeds that, as well as the best Orange, in its delicious Taste and Flavour." (reference: https://archive.org/stream/mobot31753000322294#page/7/mode/2up ) If Grapefruits were then called "Shaddocks", then doesn't that mean that the "Forbidden Fruit" was something else? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.209.102.89 (talk) 16:19, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

History Section

The history section should be expanded a bit. Additional sentences for the history would improve this article. GrapefruitFarmer 10:16, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

I wonder about the line "Its current name alludes to clusters of the fruit on the tree, which often appear similar to grapes". I have not seen this, since they apear much like any other citrus on the tree. Additionally I have been told the were once "great fruit" which became grape. Rliebenberg (talk) 22:36, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

And when was it first crossed? Imagine Reason (talk) 01:07, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Hello -

The reference to grapefruit looking like grapes comes from several sources - here's one with a photo: http://www.loc.gov/rr/scitech/mysteries/grapefruit.html

I think the reference to similarity to grapes should be restored.

teneriff (talk) 13:56, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Here are additional photos:

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3198/2471563015_3ee3099be5.jpg%3Fv%3D0&imgrefurl=http://flickr.com/photos/9659452%40N04/2471563015/&usg=__pUNawN2NfSKgyFqlqJUKfjGp47o=&h=375&w=500&sz=69&hl=en&start=14&tbnid=serT5IUdoRZHFM:&tbnh=98&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgrapefruit%2Bclusters%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg198/KissMeKate888/200352875-001.jpg

http://www.mrbreakfast.com/images/g_grapefruit3.jpg

teneriff (talk) 14:00, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Merging Grapefruit Juice

Merging in the grapefruit juice section makes sense to me. As does merging in the drug interaction page (whole separate list). Jed 21:00, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I think the grapefruit juice page except the first sentence is all about the drug interactions, and should merge there. Maybe a one sentence summary here. Gzuckier 21:07, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree with the suggestion that Grapefruit_Juice should be merged into Grapefruit. Bill Huffman 20:58, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree, move Grapefruit juice to List of drugs affected by grapefruit. JKW 23:09, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Colors and Flavors

I am removing the "Ya she is messed up in the head TOTALY MESSED UP". I have no idea why it is there, so I'm removing it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.176.156.188 (talk) 21:13, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Colors and popularity

I don't have any specific sources for it, but it would seem to me that the red (or pink) grapefruits have greatly increased in popularity and prominence over, say, the last twenty years. In fact, at least here in the U.S., it's very difficult to find proper white grapefruit anymore in many places. This seems like something that might fit in well under the "History"... JoAnneThrax 15:05, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Good suggestion. Please find a reference then add to the history section. The entire history section needs expantion. --GrapefruitFarmer 19:49, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Solution to Grapefruit/Grapefruit juice/List of drugs affected by grapefruit

It seems like we have three articles on the same fundamental point - grapefruit juice acts on certain CYP enzymes.

I propose that we eliminate "grapefruit juice" and "list of drugs affected by grapefruit" entirely (redirect to grapefruit), since they revolve entirely around the CYP inhibition effect. Instead of those pages, we can have a brief note in the main grapefruit article about the CYP interactions. That way a reader can follow the link to CYP3A4 or whatever if they want specific information about that.

This way, people who want to know about grapefruits can get relevant information in the article. The article is about grapefruits, not about enzyme/drug interactions - a mere note that it will occur, a brief warning for consumers, and a link to the appropriate articles should suffice. CYP3A4 adequately covers the information expressed in grapefruit juice/list of drugs affected, and does so under a more appropriate title.

Any thoughts, suggestions? My primary concern is that we have multiple articles with the same information, and that we could condense this information and put it into more appropriate articles. 129.170.202.243 07:02, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Good idea. No sense in having 3 different article about the same thing. I'm curious, since the grapfruit is a hybrid of the pummelo, does pummelo juice also have the same effect? Or is this some freak aspect of hybridization? --Calibas 00:51, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Poorly structured lists

The sections "Health benefits" and "Medicinal effects" are poorly organized and consist of one-sentence paragraphs. I think they could be merged under one heading in 2-3 paragraphs. DiamonDie 12:56, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Go ahead, be bold. WLU 17:46, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Cancer study

I think the information on the cancer/grapefruit connection is hugely useful and relevant, well sourced and should definitely be included. I'm not sure why it keeps getting removed. I have reverted, and would like the issue discussed before it is removed again. WLU 17:02, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Dangerous acidity

Millions of Americans taking statins like Lipitor are warned to avoid grapefruits. They apparently contain a dangerous bitter acid (which apparently is not found in any other citrus fruit) that interferes with statins. --dunnhaupt (talk) 20:10, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

They aren't dangerous, and they aren't necessarily bitter, nor are they acids, strictly speaking. And they affect many drugs, not just statins. See article body. Karlchwe (talk) 19:08, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

I am concerned after eating grapefruit daily for several weeks that my tooth enamel seems to be getting eaten away. I see claims along these lines on other internet pages but nothing about this in this article.AuctionHugh (talk) 04:14, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Other uses: "fat-disintegrating"

The following text: "Grapefruit peel oil is used in aromatherapy for its fat-disgregatingTemplate:Huh??? properties[citation needed] helping against cellulitis and it is historically known for its aroma.[31] Its high vitamin C content also promotes the synthesis of new collagen, helping improve skin tone. It also improves blood circulation and stimulates the lymphatic system to drain toxins from the body."

contains much unsourced material that frankly sounds like crap. E.g., vitamin C is not soluble in oil, so how could it be found in grapefruit peel oil? Suggest deleting all but "historically known for its aroma." Karlchwe (talk) 19:06, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

I agree. This section reads like something from a supermarket checkout aisle paperback. Not to mention that I suspect the author has confused cellulitis and cellulite. The edits came from a single user (194.185.3.218) on 29-10-08 and were never sourced properly. I'll delete the questionable material. 24.60.17.39 (talk) 15:17, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Shn525 (talk) 10:06, 25 January 2012 (UTC)The citation for "historically known for its aroma" is inadequate. The book cited claims unproven medical uses for essential oil combinations called 'synergies'. Perhaps it was indeed "historically known for its aroma", perhaps it wasn't. I accessed a copy of the book used in the citation, and there are no footnotes/endnotes to back up the claim. Point is, the cited work doesn't validate the statement, which isn't encyclopedic in tone or context anyway.

Better picture?

The main picture for this article looks like an orange. Considering that most people (at least in the US) will only be able to find pink grapefruit, it might make more sense to have a picture of one.24.9.120.43 (talk) 08:27, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Heh, I came here to complain about that! In the UK, most grapefruit has yellow/white pulp, the pink variety is available but quite rare and pricey. I was going to say that surely the main photo should be of "normal" grapefruit. But apparently the reverse is true in the USA... so perhaps there should be a photo of both? Or at least, the caption on the existing photo should say it's a pink grapefruit (as a later-in-the-article photo does also). 86.138.140.188 (talk) 15:56, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Done. Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:01, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

grapefruit tree

does anyone have a picture of a grapefruit tree? if the name comes from its looks, it would be great to show how it actually looks. I'm talking about the grape-like clusters of the fruits on the tree. 217.153.77.244 (talk) 10:04, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

does anyone know if Ruby red Grapefruits have potassium or alot of it? I am getting a lot of conflicting information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.233.11.119 (talk) 17:05, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

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Grapefruit is the citrus fruit of the grapefruit tree (Citrus × paradisi), an 18th-century hybrid first bred in Barbados. The fruit is yellow-orange skinned and largely an oblate spheroid; it grows to about 10–15 cm (4–6 in) in diameter. The flesh is segmented and acidic, varying in color depending on the cultivars, which include white, pink and red pulps of varying sweetness (Ruby Red variety shown here).Photo: א (Aleph)

growth

the article says nothing about the times of the year the fruit grows, which is IMO pretty important information that I'm at this article googling to find. I know from personal experience it's winter to early spring, but I cannot into citations. 173.219.77.134 (talk) 01:36, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Spermidine: large quantities in grapefruit or not?

There is a sentence in Nutritional Value that may have to be changed. It states that "Grapefruit contains large quantities of a simple polyamine called spermidine, which may be related to aging." It goes on to develop the benefits of spermidine as it relates to slowing the aging proccess.

HOWEVER, when you click that very link to get the spermidine page, it says:

" There is a popular myth that grapefruits contain high amounts of spermidine, which probably relies on the confusion between spermidine and putrescine. While citrus fruits show high amounts of putrescine, they contain very little spermidine."

Shouldn't this be changed in the Grapefruit article then? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.224.205.24 (talk) 06:13, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Makes no sense

Was it bred or was it found? "18th-century hybrid first bred in Barbados.When found, it was named the "forbidden fruit".... Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 21:46, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Fixed the lead, it should make sense now. Mattximus (talk) 18:57, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Map does not match the data table

The map is way out of date, and shows USA as number one producer when China is the current highest producer. Mattximus (talk) 18:49, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Uses

I came to this article because most articles usually have a section about common uses for fruits etc. (as is or with sugar, as ingredients or ways of processing into other forms for instance) But this only has a section on grapefruit sweets and possible medical uses? I feel like something like it should be on here somewhere. Markopeter (talk) 03:09, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Merged drug interaction content to that article

I just merged the information about drug interactions to that article. See the discussion there for details. Blue Rasberry (talk) 19:17, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

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