Talk:HPV

I belive it to be wicked that such a disease is not cured when we at the same time are able to create wicked good tecnology. Why does the goverment not inject small harmless amounts of these viruses into citizens and thereby make us all immune to its wicked effect!

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Human papillomavirus is by far the dominant meaning of the initialism "HPV." By my count, the top 100 Google hits have 95 "human papillomavirus"-related pages and four "human powered vehicle"-related pages. Therefore I made the redirect go directly to the human papillomavirus article. I added a note at the top of the human papillomavirus article noting that HPV might also mean human powered vehicle or other terms. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Retroid (talk • contribs)

I agree and unless evidence is presented otherwise, I believe this should continue to be a redirect to human papillomavirus. Metros232 19:20, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Also, take a look at the what links here. All of those articles are looking to go to the disease, not the vehicle. Metros232 19:32, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

"Give people an option." is what User:Widemind says. But they do have that option. The way the original redirect set up is that it sends people directly to human papillomavirus. At the top of that article it says: "HPV" redirects here. For other uses, see HPV (disambiguation). How is that not giving them an option? If almost every link and every search is for people who want to learn about the disease, why would we force them to go through a "middle man" to get there first? Why inconvenience the vast majority instead of a handful? As Retroid said, 4 Google hits for the vehicle vs. 95 for the disease is a pretty big deal. Metros232 19:47, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree with all the above and believe HPV should redirect to the virus. (This is much like the EP/EP (disambiguation)/Extended play/European Parliament argument I'm having right now. The discussion is on one of those talk pages in case you want to add your two cents.) —EdGl 15:38, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Inconvenience?

Metros232 - It's not an inconvenience - it's accuracy. Nobody that has, or is doing research on Human papillomavirus is going to feel inconvenienced for having to specify which abbreviation it is they're looking for. If anything, the option is appreciated - to know you found exactly what it is you're looking for. Have it redirect to a page with a list of the most common meanings, in order from most common to least common. I think you are concerned about the wrong things here - and really all you're doing is hijacking an abbreviation to make it do what you want it to. It just shouldn't be like that. This isn't a war here and I’m not trying to fight with everyone about this - we're just trying to supply a wider range of information to people - this is what Wikipedia was built for. Seriously, be cool about it. You are helping more people this way, I promise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Widemind (talk • contribs)

So, do you propose then that we change redirects on all abbreviations? FBI to FBI (disambiguation)? CBS to CBS (disambiguation)? Because there's a couple of people out there who want to know about Full Blooded Italians instead of the Federal Bureau of Investigation where it currently redirects. Metros232 20:20, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

The difference between your over-reaction and my logical response is that "Human Powered Vehicles" is actually a very well-known industry/hobby - whereas "Fully Blooded Italians" is something that you pretty much just pulled out of your butt, and which has no presence at all on Wikipedia. You're talking an FBI/Fully Blooded Italians, known/non-known ratio of about 100,000,000 to 1. Obviously FBI is a much better-known acronym than HPV - so it's apparent when reading your comparison between FBI and "Fully Blooded Italians" vs HPV and "Human Powered Vehicles" that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. If you’re not in the industry, don’t stake the claims. All you’re doing is limiting Wikipedia’s capabilities. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.186.239.163 (talk • contribs)

"something you pretty much just pulled out of your butt" Did you look at the FBI disambig page? They're a wrestling group in the ECW and the WWE. If you want a better one...FBi Radio is on the FBI disambig page. If you do a Google search, they're the 5th Google hit. Human powered vehicles aren't until the 55th or so Google hit. So should we change FBI? The known/non-known ratio is a lot lower on that one than on yours. Metros232 20:54, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Hey - it helps when you spell it right, huh? There you go. Way to correct your spelling, then respond like I'm the idiot for not being able to find something you posted incorrectly. I like that. And I did a Google search on "FBI" - your wrestling buddies are nowhere to be found. Keep digging bud - you'll make sense sooner or later, don't worry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Widemind (talk • contribs)

I corrected my spelling error 11 minutes before you added your comment and labeled the edit as "typo" [1]. So I'm not sure what you're talking about. So you couldn't find my wrestling example, I withdraw that because it was just something I picked off the disambig page. Now consider my example of the radio station that I posted in my previous comment that is the 5th Google result for FBI. Metros232 21:07, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

OK - I'll level with you on the wrestling thing, we can scratch that. About the radio station now.... That is nothing more than meta tags and robots.txt files within that website's internal structure. I can teach you all about that if you want. It has absolutely nothing to do with how many search results come up for that station - there's just ONE main site, with a lot of really good meta tags, and a lot of luck, to end up that close to the top of the google results. Again, nothing to do with quantity - as much as it is with one site's popularity. Again, not a good comparison. If you did a google search for "FBi Radio 94.5FM", you will only come up with about 10,900 results, compared to FBI alone, bringing up 121,000,000 results. Compare that do HPV, which brings up 14,100,000 results, and "human powered vehicle" which brings up 107,000 results. That means that for every search on FBI, 1 in 11,100, or about .009% results will display that radio station. And for every search result for "HPV", 1 in every 132 results will show as "Human powered vehicle". Of course that statistics are off because FBI does not always mean "Federal Bureau of Investigation", and HPV does not always mean "Human papillomavirus". So if you compare ONLY the virus to the human powered vehicle, the ratio would obviously be much closer. Of course without checking each individual website there is no precise way to determine those exact statistics. But I'm still much closer with my comparison than you are with yours. Seriously, just leave it as non-redirected page. It's not that hard. Leave it, and move on. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Widemind (talk • contribs)

Another important thing to note, in my opinion, is that a person is more likely to search for HPV for the disease instead of the full name of the disease. Quite simply, it's a hard thing to type accurately. Just as AIDS is more common a search term that acquired immune deficiency syndrome or HIV is more common than human immunodeficiency virus. Diseases like this are more commonly searched for by initials than by full name. Human powered vehicle, however, is a little more "normal" so to say. It is three words that are easy and user friendly. Not a single article on the what links here page for HPV is meant for "Human powered vehicle" but all of them are for the disease. HPV is more convenient than having to type human papillomavirus as proved by the fact that people are using it in other articles. Metros232 22:16, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

I see your point - so I did a little research on Overture.com (they monitor all search activity on major engines and draw up statistics for advertisers based on search volumes). They say that on a monthly basis, there are 1,057 search queries for "Human powered vehicles", and 7,314 search queries for "Human papillomavirus". There is no question that "Human papillomavirus" is a more common search term - however, "Human Powered Vehicles" is definitely not far behind it. "Full Blooded Italians" had 97 queries. Again, just another example. What I'm trying to do is create more awareness that HPV has more than one major meaning. If I'm looking up HPV in Wikipedia hoping to find information on Human Powered Vehicles, I don't want to have to read about genital warts to find it - and I'm sure there are others who feel the same way. In the world of Human Powered Vehicles, HPV is the recognized abbreviation for that industry, and it is an industry that is growing quickly. The only thing we're doing by creating an auto-redirected page is narrowing and limiting peoples' knowledge or ability to find information they're looking for. For what I'm trying to do, this really isn't worth all this argument. I know you mean well, and so do I - but like I said, there's a growing industry that uses this same abbreviation, and nobody wants to have to read about genital warts before they find what they're really looking for. This is the best option for everyone. So I know you're probably sick of me - but I'm going to keep on pushing this until it stays as a non-redirected page. I promise, nobody will be inconvenienced - enough to actually think to themselves "gosh, this is an inconvenience". :P It will be appreciated, I promise.

Compromise?

At Talk:EP, User:EdGl suggest this as a compromise for their discussion which is much like ours:

"EP" redirects here. For the parliament in Europe, see European Parliament. For other uses, see EP (disambiguation).

Would that be a viable compromise for us? It would look like this

"HPV" redirects here. For human-powered vehicles, see human-powered transport. For other uses, see HPV (disambiguation).

This way both sides get what they want. Those who want the redirect to the disease get their redirect and those who want the option of human powered vehicle get that option displayed front and center. Metros232 17:16, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Try it and see how it looks. But it kinda goes back to the whole "I don't want to have to read about genital warts before I find what I'm really looking for" sorta thing. With any other subject, it wouldn't be so "iffy", but with this particular alternate meaning, I think it's gonna kinda throw a few people off. But I will compromise with you on this for now - go ahead and do that, see how it looks, and as the statistics grow in the future for search queries on "Human Powered Vehicles", we'll worry about it again and look into changing it into a non-redirected page at that time. So we'll work together on that. Good compromise to your compromise?