Talk:Hadriana in All My Dreams

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

---

This review is transcluded from Talk:Hadriana in All My Dreams/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Jaguarnik (talk · contribs) 00:03, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Averageuntitleduser (talk · contribs) 01:25, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Howdy, Jaguarnik! From a glance at the plot, I couldn't resist this. Averageuntitleduser (talk) 01:25, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much for taking this review on so promptly! Jaguarnik (talk) 01:44, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Well-written

• style of writing — in both instances, "writing style" would be more conventional.

Done.

• the French literary establishment — for a split-second, I thought this was in reference to Gallimard, consider workshopping it.

To be honest, I got this phrasing from Dayan and Glover, who describe the reception as "received enthusiastically by the French literary establishment, but criticized by scholars"; I was originally going to change it to "received enthusiastically in France", but the fact that it also received an award from the Belgian Académie royale complicates that. Could something like "received enthusiastically by Francophone audiences" work?

I like that! And yes, this issue does not go further than the lead.

• would go on to live for brief periods — "then briefly lived"

Done.

• • • Update: I missed that. This time, it's actually fixed.
• childhood memories of vodou — perhaps give the full "Haitian Vodou".
  • Done.
• To me, the phrasing appearance of and apparition imply that this is a supernatural or unusual event. If this was not your intention, how about: "In January 1938, a dead woman is driven to her funeral; the locals call this phenomenon..."

Done.

• at the hands of — as an idiom, this should be replaced with something more direct, e.g. "was killed by", though that may be too certain.

The exact phrasing from the book is "She then declared loudly that Hadriana had not died of natural causes. And it certainly would not take Sherlock Holmes’s talents to find the trail that would lead straight to the evildoer. This whole affair had Balthazar Granchiré’s signature on it!" So Losange doesn't directly state that Granchiré killed Hadriana, but that's the implication. I changed it to "Hadriana's death was caused by Balthazar Granchiré."

I figured that would be the case. For your consideration, I'd thought of, "Balthazar Granchiré was involved in Hadriana's death", but whether it's an improvement is a toss-up. Either way, this change works well!

• 30 years have passed — reformulate this so "30" does not begin the sentence.

Done.

• "death" — "disappearance" already modifies this word, so the quotation marks are likely not needed.

Done.

• a theme that — this can be excised.

Done.

• and several other awards — it would be worth noting these awards if the sources do too.

Found and added.

Verifiable with no original research

Not seeing any red flags; lots of established journals, professors, writers, and publishers. Formatting looks good. Earwig score is low, and I found no close paraphrasing during the spot-check.

• I imagine a paragraph split caused this, but the sentence: "Likewise, his second novel..." needs a source.
  • The issue is both sources assume the reader knows that Hadriana was the second novel, so they don't outright state "Hadriana was the second novel." I'll look for a source that outright states it, but if one can't be found, I'll simply remove the part about how it is his second novel. Jaguarnik (talk) 01:52, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Good news @Averageuntitleduser:: I looked at a source and noticed some details that I had missed earlier about the creation of the novel. I inserted those into the background and removed the part about his first and second novels. If you could please reexamine that, that would be great. Jaguarnik (talk) 02:09, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Both a nice addition and compromise! This wasn't necessary, but I also cobbled together the publication info with Poinsot. Averageuntitleduser (talk) 02:24, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Spot-check

• Accilien, Cécile (2022). "White and Black Zombies: How Race Rewrites the Narrative". In Shapiro, Steven; Champion, Giulia; Douglas, Roxanne (eds.). Decolonizing the Undead: Rethinking Zombies in World-Literature, Film, and Media. Bloomsbury Publishing. ISBN 9781350271142. Retrieved 14 June 2024.
  • Looks good Y
• Apte, Poornima (15 April 2017). "Hadriana in All My Dreams". Booklist. Vol. 113, no. 16. American Library Association. pp. 30–31. ISSN 0006-7385. Archived from the original on 25 June 2024. Retrieved 25 June 2024.
  • Looks good Y
• Chaulet Achour, Christiane (2013). "Prix littéraires et réception de la littérature haïtienne" [Literary prizes and reception of Haitian literature]. In Brodziak, Sylvie (ed.). Haïti. Enjeux d'écriture. Littérature Hors Frontière (in French). Saint-Denis: Presses universitaires de Vincennes. pp. 187–213. doi:10.3917/puv.brod.2013.01.0187. ISBN 978-2-84292-359-4. Retrieved 11 April 2024.
  • Looks good Y
• Dayan, Joan (1993a). "France Reads Haiti: An Interview With René Depestre". Yale French Studies (83): 136–153. doi:10.2307/2930091. ISSN 0044-0078. JSTOR 2930091. Retrieved 10 April 2024.
  • I'm beginning to gleam both sides of the reception, heh, looks good Y
• Paravisini-Gebert, Lizabeth (1994). "Writers playin' mas': Carnival and the Grotesque in the Contemporary Caribbean Novel" (PDF). In Arnold, A. James (ed.). A History of Literature in the Caribbean: Volume 3: Cross-Cultural Studies. Comparative History of Literatures in European Languages. John Benjamins Publishing Company. pp. 215–238. doi:10.1075/chlel.xii.17par. Retrieved 26 June 2024.
  • Looks good Y
• Ponte, Cecilia (December 1988). "Hadriana dans tous mes rêves" [Hadriana in All My Dreams]. Québec français (in French) (72). Retrieved 26 June 2024.
  • Faithful translation, but perhaps say, "An initial review", as "contemporary" is a bit of a contronym.
    • Fixed. - J
• Swanson, Lucy (2023). The Zombie in Contemporary French Caribbean Fiction. Liverpool University Press. p. 85. ISBN 9781802077995. Retrieved 10 April 2024.
  • Looks good Y

Broad in its coverage

The range of sources, both in language and timescale, is commendable. I don't sense any missing sections or details and note that the background around Depestre helps inform the later analysis. After searching in French and English through TWL and Google Scholar, I feel the article is sufficiently broad. I've also checked the unused results, the most detailed of which is a master's thesis and a peculiar article–digital project; both are fun but not very citable.

Stable

No recent content disputes or edit wars.

Illustrated

The cover has a proper fair use rationale. The Jacmel view is an own-work and seems fairly representative of the setting.

Summary

The "zombie-writer" bit and how much Depestre's intentions differed from public perception were quite interesting. A very accessible read overall! Beginning with some prose comments. I've made a few minor tweaks myself; feel free to revert anything you disagree with. Averageuntitleduser (talk) 21:40, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much! I've addressed most of the issues, I've left a comment above about one of them.Jaguarnik (talk) 22:26, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

@Jaguarnik: Great work here! Alright, two more comments, and the one in the spot-chek is a nit-pick. Averageuntitleduser (talk) 01:35, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

@Jaguarnik: Well, I think that's all I've got. Congrats for a well-deserved first GA! Averageuntitleduser (talk) 02:27, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 talk 23:21, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

(

• Comment or view
• Article history

)

• ... that Hadriana in All My Dreams, published in 1988, was the first novel by a Haitian author to win a major French literary award?

• Source: Chaulet Achour, Christiane (2013). "Prix littéraires et réception de la littérature haïtienne" [Literary prizes and reception of Haitian literature]. In Brodziak, Sylvie (ed.). Haïti. Enjeux d'écriture. Littérature Hors Frontière (in French). Saint-Denis: Presses universitaires de Vincennes. pp. 187–213. doi:10.3917/puv.brod.2013.01.0187. ISBN 978-2-84292-359-4.

• ALT1: ... that Hadriana in All My Dreams, published in 1988, was the first novel by a Haitian author to win one of the major French literary awards? Source: ibid.
• Reviewed: [[]]
• Comment: Source is under a paywall but can be accessed by users with access to Wikipedia library (check cairn-info). The source is in French. I'm not sure which hook has better wording, but traditionally there are considered to be six major awards, which the source lists - Prix Renaudot, Prix Goncourt, Prix Femina, Prix Médicis, Prix Interallié, and Grand Prix du roman de l'Académie française (https://guides.loc.gov/french-collections/french-literary-prizes). I've reproduced the table below.

Improved to Good Article status by Jaguarnik (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Jaguarnik (talk) 07:57, 4 July 2024 (UTC).

• Comment: Please transcribe the book passage that confirms the hook fact to this nomination. Schwede66 23:00, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
  • @Schwede66: the passage shows a table of Haitian writers that have won one of the six awards with dates and names of the authors. I'm struggling to reproduce the table, since every time I do so, the DYK template throws an error. Jaguarnik (talk) 23:06, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

@Jaguarnik: You should try replacing the vertical bars with |, like so:

blah

--Launchballer 20:36, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Table reproduced:

Comparative Table of the Six Major French Literary Prizes and their Awarding to Haitian Authors

Prize name	Prize founding	Author, novel, year of awarding
Goncourt	1903	N/A
Femina	1904	N/A
Prix du Roman de l'Académie Française	1914	N/A
Renaudot	1926	René Depestre, Hadriana in All My Dreams, 1988
Interallié	1930	N/A
Médicis	1958	Dany Laferrière, The Enigma of the Return, 2009

Jaguarnik (talk) 22:03, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

• Full review needed now that requested table for hook fact has been transcribed. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:20, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Nice work on a neglected topic! BorgQueen (talk) 03:02, 14 August 2024 (UTC)