Talk:Han-bin

Removal of names

Please refrain from removing names from the list of individuals. The page had no requirements for the individuals listed to have been born with the given name Han-Bin, nor must they be Korean ethnically.

People who use the name Han-Bin, be it given or chosen, qualify under the context of the page and removal is considered the unneeded removal of accurate and factual information.

The page has been subject to several vandals, which have since been corrected. Please remember to remain factual and unbiased when editing on Wikipedia. Thank you for your contributions. Jayb.rd98 (talk) 06:38, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Please refrain from removing added names from the list. The name belongs there, and is correct information. The list is not restricted to birth name or ethnicity, and there is no reason to remove it. Please stop vandalizing the page. Jayb.rd98 (talk) 07:57, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

The edit-war has been reported to wikipedia administration, please engage in this discussion page to reach a consensus before making further edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jayb.rd98 (talk • contribs) 08:46, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Individuals listed should be notable enough to have their own Wikipedia article. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:12, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

user:Eunhye19 If you are still unhappy with the changes made, please discuss them here. Otherwise, it has been discussed with several other editors and worked out. If you have more to contest, do so here, as youve ignored my requests to reach a consensus many times before. Jayb.rd98 (talk) 05:20, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

This excerpt/note is clearly stated under the page. "This page or section lists people that share the same given name" which given name by definition means a child's given name or names are usually chosen by the parents soon after birth. This indicate that this page required the list to be restricted to birth name only. The removal of Ngô Ngọc Hưng is fully justified. Eunhye19 (talk) 01:13, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia has always allowed pseudonyms and non-birth names under the given names lists. See most celebrities using other names: Natalie Portman under Natalie (birth name Neta-Lee) Marilyn Monroe under Marilyn (birth name Norma Jean) Meghan, Duchess of Sussex under Megan (birth name Rachel) Lana Del Rey under Lana (birth name Elizabeth) Wendy of Red Velvet under Wendy (birth name Seungwan) Portia de Rossi under Portia (birth name Amanda) Calvin Harris under Calvin (birth name Adam) Doyoung of NCT under Doyoung (birth name Dongyoung)

That’s just an incredible short list of examples. There is no difference in Hanbin’s listing from the others.

S.r.z15 (talk) 03:13, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia has clear template and definition of what given name is. For example wikipedia has separate page for natalie(given name) and natalie. Stage name is never included under given name definition and the note on the page clearly stated only people with given name is allowed to be listed. Most of the examples given above are pages that didnt have condition where only given name is allowed. Eunhye19 (talk) 04:16, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Romanization

user:davidwr How do you suppose correct romanization should go? In korean names written in english the “-“ in the name refers to the fact the different sounds are in two blocks. In the name Hanbin (Or Han-bin) the characters and the name are exactly the same (한빈) and depending on how you romanize, it adds the dash or not.

Notably, the dash is usually not added into names when they’re being used in the english language. If we were to write the name out in english it would be Hanbin, rather than Han-Bin. I feel we should also note in this article that Yang Han-been is included, even though the way his name is romanized is different, the korean characters are the same.

To get a consistent system, should the dash be included in names or excluded, even though they are the same name with different romanization quirks? Jayb.rd98 (talk) 20:10, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

This is a question for Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Korea. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 🎄 20:14, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

user:davidwr

I’ll ask there then. Until then, in my opinion relying on the Hangul rather than romanization (as the page had been doing previously) would be my stance. Is that alright? Jayb.rd98 (talk) 20:17, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

@Jayb.rd98: I'm going to step away from this, it requires knowledge of the Korean language that I didn't even know I didn't have. I have removed the entry from Hanbin though, since it is now here. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 🎄 20:33, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

user:davidwr

I would actually suggest putting it back on that page, as it helps guide people to the correct pages they are searching for. If you search “Hanbin” he should correctly come up in the page as a result, removing him just reduces the usefulness and searchability of the page. Jayb.rd98 (talk) 21:00, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Given name. Removal of Ngô Ngọc Hưng from the list.

This excerpt/note is clearly stated under the page. "This page or section lists people that share the same given name" which given name by definition means a child's given name or names are usually chosen by the parents soon after birth. The last person on the list given name is Ngô Ngọc Hưng. Eunhye19 (talk) 01:00, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

User:Eunhye19The page requires the USE of a given name, not that the name is their birth name. This is common in these types of pages, and as I had said in my edit, it’s used in the following pages as well:

Johnny - Youngho

Hoseok - Wonho

Dongyoung - Doyoung

Seokjin - Jin

Jonghoon - Yesung

Hyuckjae - Eunhyuck

Jessica - Sooyeon

Tiffany - Miyoung

Krystal - Soojung

Roseanne - Chaeyoung

Jongin - Kai

Aaron - Youngmin

Jia Er - Jackson

Seungkwan - Wendy

Joohyun - Irene

Sooyoung - Joy

Jiwon - Bobby

The page is simply to list those who use the korean name 한빈, which this individual does. In asian culture it is incredibly common for people to be given names from countries they go to, or those born in other countries to be given a non-legal korean name.

Further, Wikipedia uses pseudonyms and pen/stage names on these pages consistently throughout the website. Jayb.rd98 (talk) 02:54, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Please hit "pause" on the reversions

Pinging any and all editors reverting edits in the last day or two, you know who you are, I don't need to name you:

Please try just discussing the issue for 24 hours without reverting each other. It's not going to be the end of Wikipedia if the page is "wrong" for one of you while you discuss things and sleep on it. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 🎄 04:41, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Agreed, though I have contacted a admin who told me to let them know if the page is edited without discussion, which I have done. I’ve reached out to the one removing info both on this talk page and on their own, though the five other attempts I have made to discuss this in the previous weeks have gone ignored. Likely they will continue to be ignored. An Admin is aware of the editing without engaging in discussion, and hopefully we can work it out without further issue. Though I am not entirely hopeful. Jayb.rd98 (talk) 06:18, 3 January 2021 (UTC)