Talk:Harriet Hageman

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@Deansfa: Please respect the outcome of the deletion discussion and do not edit war. I restored the redirect citing that discussion, and you reverted me without providing an edit summary. ― Tartan357 ^Talk 03:48, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Tartan357:. I'm sorry but things have changed since 2 months ago. The coverage is now very significant, from the New York Times to NPR to the Wall Street Journal. I don't deny the legitimacy of the deletion when it was voted, but the current coverage makes her notable enough. --Deansfa (talk) 03:57, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

Why is this an article at all? I agree with @Tartan357 that there was a very recent community consensus at the AfD. People are not notable for simply winning a primary nomination (WP:POLITICIAN). --Kbabej (talk) 21:31, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

Sources like that have existed throughout the campaign. Someone has no enduring notability if they don't win, though, and Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. The deletion discussion reached a consensus to redirect until/if she wins the *general election*, so I've redirected the page. This should not be undone without a new consensus on this talk page. ― Tartan357 ^Talk 22:32, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

@Novemberjazz: Restoring the page simply saying "nope" is not productive. You need to participate in this discussion and get a new consensus, since you are seeking to overturn an existing one. ― Tartan357 ^Talk 22:49, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

this is clear enough that your attempt at speedily deleting this page was unsuccessful. Novemberjazz 22:52, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

And? I redirected it as the admin pointed out was the outcome of that discussion. Redirection and deletion are not the same thing. ― Tartan357 ^Talk 22:53, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

@El C: I'm not sure about your action. I do understand WP:NOTBURO, but isn't the reasoning nothing but WP:IAR. The AfD was very clear about the outcome and we don't accept articles on people based on speculation per WP:NOTCRYSTAL. She needs to win a general election before getting an article, no matter how guaranteed her win be. We're still an encyclopaedia, not a news media like Wikinews. FTR: I'm not fundamentally against this action, but there is past precedent for moving "too soon" articles into draftspace. If changes to that policy happens, it should applicable across the project. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 10:05, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

No, CX Zoom, I don't think you understand the difference. Your point about there needing to be a general election win, makes no sense to me. I'll just copy my entire edit summary:

Wikipedia is not a bureaucracy: AfD is not cannon. The OP for the deletion discussion opened with: "WP:BLP of a person notable only as an as yet non-winning candidate in a political party primary — well, she won. So is the argument just purely procedural? See also Draft:Harriet Hageman whose content may be merged with this page. This is not an admin action (diff).

For all the trivia out there on the project that we expressly allow for, this is your NOTNEWS notability hill? I don't even know what to say to that. Except that it looks political-driven rather than being based on any kind of notability criteria, thus, eroding the credibility of the project. This odd approach to WP:POLITICIAN is, in my view, too detached from reality. El_C 12:00, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

@El C: No point in being politically-driven here, Wyoming voters aren't going to elect a different write-in candidate just because she doesn't have a Wikipedia article about herself. She's going to win is pretty much guaranteed, and all winners get an article because they're notable. But I hope that this anti-deletion precedent stays and future articles for primary-winners don't get deleted because they haven't won general election. We should treat all primary winners equally. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 12:23, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

CX Zoom, RE: But I hope that this anti-deletion precedent stays and future articles for primary-winners don't get deleted because they haven't won general election — good, I like that. But when I said that it looks political-driven (italics in the original), what I meant is the perception might be that her bio is being censored, even after her primary victory (!), by way of redirecting. I didn't mean the political impact that any of this will have on American or Wyoming politics, which indeed, I'd wager are quite negligible. El_C 12:41, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

This article on an obscure local lawyer who is not a member of any national parliament, but who merely is a candidate in a future election, was just deleted. Please use the WP:DELREV procedure if you disagree with the result. We don't even have an article on Lynnette Grey Bull, the candidate of the governing party of her country. --Tataral (talk) 10:00, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Redirect

Notability established by landslide victory (nearly 2/3 of the vote) over well-known politician Cheney. Attempts to redirect should be discussed here before any further. 2.53.171.209 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 10:51, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

That is not how notability works though. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 11:26, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

As agreed on by recent AfD consensus, this is to be a redirect. If she were to win an election to become a member of a national parliament, then she would become notable. We don't even have an article on the candidate from the opposing party, Lynnette Grey Bull. Please obtain consensus for any changes; see WP:DELREV if you want to overturn the AfD consensus. --Tataral (talk) 17:40, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

This is clearly a case of WP:NOTBURO. The circumstances surrounding the subject are vastly different than they were two months ago. So with significant national coverage, the need for redirect is now moot and a DELREV is not necessary to prove that. If you disagree, then you are welcome to propose a second AFD with the new rationale. Carson Wentz (talk) 18:36, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

DELREV Note: FWIW, a deletion review is already initiated at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2022 August 17#Harriet Hageman. All talk page watchers are welcome to take part in the review if they wish to. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 20:47, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

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