Talk:Hello Internet/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Fancruft again

This is an encyclopaedia not a fansite. I believe that all of the following constitute egregious over-coverage and should be removed:

• The fanart. (It is seems obvious to me that it is inappropriate to "illustrate a subject" using a piece of fanart. Fanart is a personal interpretation of a subject by the fan. It is not an impartial illustration and not suitable for an encyclopaedia. |It can't be used as a reference or in a manner similar to a reference. As best it is mere decoration. BTW, I have also nominated it for deletion on the Commons as it seems way out of scope for inclusion there. We don't want it setting a precedent where every damn image on DeviantArt with a CC licence gets imported into the Commons.)
• Individual episode run times (Unreferenced and trivial. It would be sufficient to mention the typical run time.)
• The "No. overall" column. (We don't need two number columns. The official numbers are sufficient. Making up our own numbering is original research, confusing and just unnecessary.)

Also, I propose that the episode list be converted from a table to a list as that is more compact. --DanielRigal (talk) 17:40, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

DanielRigal, I completely agree on all points, except for the separate numbering columns. In that case, it's less original research, and more about how the show itself numbers its full-length episodes, but doesn't include numbers in its so-called bonus eps. (I'm not necessarily taking a strong stance on this, but my preference would be to keep it.) For the fanart especially, I agree it's inappropriate, and had considered removing it myself. The run times I think aren't necessary really, but if they're kept, they certainly don't need a time down the second. I would support the episode table being converted as well. Cheers. – Broccoli & Coffee ^{(Oh hai)} 18:05, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

The fanart is pretty clearly inappropriate for an encyclopedia. I'll go ahead and remove it since we seem to have consensus there. AdA&D 18:49, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

@DanielRigal: @Anne drew Andrew and Drew: Re: the fan art. While the fan art is no doubt an individual's subjective interpretation of the show, the article makes it clear that this is the case with the caption. Any photo or illustration is subjective to a certain degree, but we can assume our readers are intelligent and can understand this. I added this image because I felt it was valuable for illustrating the sorts of content discussed in the podcast in a more vivid way than words alone could. This particular piece of fan art was actually discussed on the podcast (episode #13 around 34:35 and linked in the show notes), which is why I chose to seek out the creator to add a free license to it. –IagoQnsi (talk) 21:57, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Adding this: To give a more policy-based argument, MOS:PERTINENCE includes this note: "Intangible concepts can be illustrated; for example, a cat with its claws out portrays aggression." An audio-only podcast is intangible and cannot be directly visualized. The images in articles such as Death and Running are good examples of subjective images being used as illustrations of a topic. –IagoQnsi (talk) 22:40, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

I think it's fine to include the piece of fan art. It was discussed on the podcast and is representative of the kind of fan art the hosts occasionally discuss—this makes it a much more relevant illustration than the vast majority of fan art out there. —Granger (talk · contribs) 01:11, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

I've restored the fan art image since this discussion has stagnated for a few days and there is no real consensus. I changed the caption to include a link to Fan art, so that the reader has more context for understanding that the image is highly subjective, since that was a concern raised here. –IagoQnsi (talk) 20:01, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

I think individual episode runtimes are probably worth including, simply because this podcast varies a lot more than, say, a TV show would. I don't think "38–169 minutes" gives you very much information about how long each show really is. The runtimes can be found at hellointernet.fm (click play on an episode to see its length), which is also the source for the titles. You could add a reference note below the table if you want.

I support getting rid of the "No. overall" column. The specials are often much shorter than normal episodes, so I don't think it's fair to say that there are 138 total episodes (which is what the table currently implies).

As for making the table more compact, I definitely agree that this needed to be done, although I don't think converting it to a list is necessary. I got rid of the yearly section headings and combined all the years into one huge table, with a heading row every 25 rows. I also played with CSS to make the table work better on narrow screens (so it's less likely that episode titles will be forced to break across multiple lines). I think the table is pretty compact now, what do you think? –IagoQnsi (talk) 20:01, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

I support adding individual episode runtimes, and getting rid of "No. overall" sounds reasonable. —Granger (talk · contribs) 21:34, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Edit request.

Add episode 126. Ozitec (talk) 09:02, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Also fix the number of episodes as the bonus episodes are counted as full episodes. Ozitec (talk) 09:04, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 June 2020

Let's go ahead and call it:

US</ref>
plus 18 special episodes | began = 31 January 2014 (2014-01-31) | ended = 28 February 2020 (2020-02-28)

}} Therealstevemaher (talk) 21:04, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. I don't get what't the point of the "US"... RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 21:31, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello Internet's Status

I would like a status part added to the hello internet's page as it is on hiatus. Unfortunately, I cannot as the page is locked. Could a moderator please add that, thank you. Punitdaga31 (talk) 19:00, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

Preseveration of the Hello Internet Page

Apologies for the unauthorized addition of material to the CGP Grey page which for some reason also contains information about Hello Internet, sidenote we should definitely delete that and put a link to this Hello Internet page. It's definitely not right that the information for the Hello Internet podcast be on CGP Grey's page as Brady Haran this the equal co-host, I feel like it's kind of rude to him to just have it at the bottom of CGP Grey's page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JBeags (talk • contribs)

id be up for contributing, sadly i do not appear to be able to edit/add to this page TherealBen James (talk) 16:31, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

TherealBen James, that's because this article is semi-protected, meaning only autoconfirmed users (i.e. accounts that are at least 4 days old and have at least 10 edits) can edit the article directly. However, other users can propose changes using an edit request. Ionmars10 (talk) 18:47, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

oh, ok thanks TherealBen James (talk) 19:03, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Removing fan art

Regarding the fan art discussed in Talk:Hello Internet § Fancruft again, I think would be good if we could maybe replace it with a screenshot of one of the Hello Internet Animated (example) or Hello Internet Minisode (example) videos, which were uploaded to the official YouTube channel of the podcast.

The purpose of the fan art image is to show Grey and Brady's depiction as a robot and caveman, which was really only popularized by Hello Internet Animated in the first place, so showing that seems especially appropriate.

Nog642 (talk) 17:04, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Have any Hello Internet Animated or Minisode episodes been licensed as free content? See commons:Commons:Licensing. —Granger (talk · contribs) 18:34, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

No, I don't think so. But WP:FU lays out the requirements and process for adding images under fair use. I guess one could argue this doesn't meet those requirements, since the article could go without the image altogether, and the fan art is effective enough in conveying the point and it's got a CC license. But I could also make the other argument, that the screenshot of HI Animated would improve the article and that the fan art is not effective enough. And though I know Wikipedia has additional requirements for non-free content, I think it's important to note that a screenshot of the video would easily pass as fair use under US law, since it has almost no effect on the original video's value (lacking both audio and animation). I'd like to hear what others think about this idea. Nog642 (talk) 19:16, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Was

I think it's time to amend this to say that Hello Internet was a podcast. The article claims "on hiatus" but there's been no indication that the podcast hasn't simply finished. David G (talk) 00:51, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

For TV shows we use the present tense even after they have stopped producing new episodes per MOS:TVNOW. I suppose it makes sense to do the same for podcasts. —Granger (talk · contribs) 06:42, 20 February 2021 (UTC)