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Removal of Japan

@Nableezy I saw the article, but can you provide the actual list? It seems a bit far fetched. In Japanese wiki the Japanese write their government considers it terrorists when I last saw. I'd imagine they would have removed Japan from their list if such a change was done. Can you present the Public Security list? Homerethegreat (talk) 08:54, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

You just presented one article from Yahoo. I think the actual Public Security list will make more sense or a few more sources. Thank you for the time. Homerethegreat (talk) 09:15, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

I dont have the primary source no, and we rely on secondary sources. Wikipedia is also not a reliable source. nableezy - 15:23, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

You showed only 1 source though... Japanese Wiki still has it. Can you double check? Homerethegreat (talk) 19:12, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Have you not tried searching for yourself? Do you have some reason to doubt the info?

How about this? Selfstudier (talk) 19:36, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the source! So basically it appears that the news piece Nableezy sent is not related to whether Japan considers Hezbollah a terrorist organization. Thank you for sending this and making it clear! Nableezy can you self rv?

"the reason for the major deletion was ``a change in the source of the information.'' Starting with the 2023 edition , the content is said to comply with the sanctions list based on UN Security Council Resolution 1267. Previously, we used reports from overseas think tanks as sources, but we received inquiries as to what the standards were, so we published the 2013 edition with the policy of making the standards clear and easy to understand. Updating the web version. I think this timing made it a hot topic," said the person in charge." - Machine translation

Basically, it seems that the 2013 directive is still in place and that there wasn't an actual change in policy. Homerethegreat (talk) 16:49, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

"Starting with the 2023 edition , the content is said to comply with the sanctions list based on UN Security Council Resolution 1267." is the current position. Selfstudier (talk) 16:52, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

No, because what that actually means is that Japan never actually considered Hezbollah to be a terrorist entity. It had simply listed organizations that think thanks said were terrorist entities. So no, definitely not restoring Japan here, they appear to have never belonged in the first place. nableezy - 16:57, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Just look at Japanese Wiki: イランとシリアの政治支援を受け、その軍事部門はアラブ・イスラム世界の大半で抵抗運動の組織と見なされている。日本、欧州連合、米国、オランダ、バーレーン、エジプト、英国、豪州、カナダ、イスラエルは Homerethegreat (talk) 07:54, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Why? Btw, those refs are all dated. Selfstudier (talk) 09:54, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

References

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 November 2023

In the chapter "Designation as a terrorist organization or resistance movement", Switzerland is incorrectly named as a country which has designated Hezbollah a terrorist organisation. This is inaccurate and the reference gives talks about the Czech Republic.

The following report by the Swiss government (unfortunately only in French and German) shows that Switzerland does not designate Hezbollah a terrorist organisation: https://www.admin.ch/gov/fr/accueil/documentation/communiques.msg-id-91070.html

Please delete the reference to Switzerland.

Thank you! Vpasquier (talk) 09:02, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

This ref, referring to that report, says "A ban on Hezbollah and its activities in Switzerland could impair missions within the framework of good offices and also Switzerland's humanitarian engagement. Likewise, such a ban could damage Switzerland's credibility as a neutral country, according to the government."

It seems from this that Switzerland has not designated H as terrorist, so I will remove it unless there is some objection. Selfstudier (talk) 13:36, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

 Done by Selfstudier. ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 03:33, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Right-wing

Books describing Hezbollah as right-wing: 1 and 2. Bakbik1234 (talk) 14:21, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Not done. Both are passing references, the first to some Hezbollah prisoners and the other to some Hezbollah woman. That does not mean that Hezbollah is right wing. Selfstudier (talk) 14:50, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Islamic fundamentalism

Sources describing Hezbollah as Islamic fundamentalist: Bakbik1234 (talk) 01:25, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Most of the source are from the 1990's to the 2000's. Librero2109 (talk) 15:54, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

References

Hezbollah’s secret service is not one of the best and it shouldn’t be said so in Wikipedia

In the secret service part it says: Hezbollah's secret services have been described as "one of the best in the world" what is the source for this Statement? 77.137.73.45 (talk) 17:15, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Statements in Wikipedia should have sources. Sources can be seen via the [.] symbol next to a statement.

The source in this case is apparently...

• Engeland, Dr Anisseh Van; Rudolph, Ms Rachael M (2013). From Terrorism to Politics. Ashgate Publishing, Ltd. pp. 33–34. ISBN 978-1-4094-9870-4.

The statement is from page 33, in the chapter written by Van Engeland, Associate Professor of International Security & Law, titled "Hezbollah: from a Terrorist Group to a Political Party - Social Work as a Key to Politics"

Sean.hoyland (talk) 17:52, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 July 2024

The notion that Hezbollah is just a political party is a complete joke. It is a recognized terrorist group by United States, France, Israel, Germany, UK and others. Furthermore, emphasizing the handful of instances in which Hezbollah decided to “condemn” acts of targeting civilians is a complete joke. This article is sickeningly false, anti-Semitic and pro-Terrorism. - Mention that Hezbollah failed to condemn the targeting of civilians including burning them alive in their homes, kidnapping unarmed civilians including babies under official orders and rape potentially unofficially ordered of October 7th. - Mention their numerous terrorist attacks on Civilians if you mention their so-called condemnation of civilian targeting. Including their recent murder of 14+ children playing soccer no where near any military targets. The only one mentioned is their targeting of a Jewish Synagogue in Argentina over 30 years ago… they’ve committed countless acts of intentional killing but I suppose those don’t count because it was of Jews. 97.113.140.220 (talk) 22:53, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template. — Czello ^(music) 22:58, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 September 2024 (4)

The Likely death of Hezbollah Leader Hassan Nasrallah in the hands of the IDF to be added Conquestor 246 (talk) 17:07, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

 Already done This has been already added to the article. Ratekreel (talk) 20:02, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 September 2024

Secretary general role is vacant now. Namnaam (talk) 08:16, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Accepted. Although Form is incorrect. Regardless, If you'll check the edit history, you'll see that I was too quick on that news as well and I self reverted my edit.

Previously, there were conflicting reports of whether he was killed or not. Going off the sources, I will mark Nasrallah as killed but without knowing for certain who his replacement will be, I will leave him in his current position.

https://frontline.thehindu.com/news/hassan-nasrallah-profile-hezbollah-chief-killed-in-beirut-lebanon-says-israeli-army-gaza-hamas/article68693937.ece

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/hassan-nasrallah-is-dead-this-cleric-is-now-tipped-to-lead-hezbollah-6669637 RCSCott91 (talk) 10:37, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Its has been confirmed, the guy is dead. Please proceed with the edit.

Hezbollah confirms its leader Hassan Nasrallah was killed in an Israeli airstrike Ronnieroxx (talk) 12:01, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, someone beat me to it. But I don't blame them, so much is happening so fast, I'm glad there are so many people attempting to keep track and edit it all these events down into a digestible form.

RCSCott91 (talk) 18:37, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 September 2024

Under "Ideology " in the "Manifesto" section: "The ideology has since evolved, and today Hezbollah is a left-wing political entity focused on social injustice.[123]"

[123] refers to a source "From Terrorism to Politics. Ashgate Publishing, Ltd. p. 36. ISBN 978-1-4094-9870-4." The source doesn't support this claim as stated in the wiki article. You should remove the above sentence from the text as it neither reflects the source it claims to reference, nor the reality of what the group represents.

The stated source has a more extended quote: "The ideology of Hezbollah has changed: it has nowadays a left-wing political speech focused on social justice. It is the champion of minorities' rights. The fight against Zionism is not the first goal anymore and the movement hardly speaks in public of founding an Islamic republic in Lebanon, because it frightens other communities. The political speech has taken over the radical speech. The ideology is nevertheless double-faced: there is on the one hand the speech for the public and on the other hand a hard and radical speech for Hezbollah's real supporters, denouncing the occupation of Palestine, targeting Israel as the enemy and willing to establish an Islamic republic. Consequently, the movement has a double discourse. Sometimes this double discourse is quite incoherent as Hezbollah tries to please its electors and its militants at the same time."

As you can see, this is quite a U-turn from the one-sentence statement currently featured on Wikipedia.

Bellka12 (talk) 19:14, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

If you want to suggest additional specific information from the source to be added, feel free to do so. I don't see the text as a U-turn from the perspective of this article. The article already covers the complicated nature of this organization, including the parts covered by the extended quote. The article should describe all of the notable features of the organization without any expectation of internal consistency or simple narratives. Sean.hoyland (talk) 05:04, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Request to Remove Source

Request to remove source and affiliated information.

Reason: ~8 years ago, an undergraduate University paper was added as a source, and about 2 paragraphs worth of information was added from this source to the article. At least one portion of that information has gone almost completely unedited since then.

I'm requesting removal under

WP:RSSELF,

WP:RSDEPRECATED

WP:QUESTIONABLE

The source in question is nearly 14 years old. In italics is the main portion of information that I am requesting to be removed, it is nearly identical to how it appears in the source material. The citation opens to the source paper.

"In the Arab world, Hezbollah is generally seen either as a destabilizing force that functions as Iran's pawn by rentier[clarification needed] states like Egypt and Saudi Arabia, or as a popular sociopolitical guerrilla movement that exemplifies strong leadership, meaningful political action, and a commitment to social justice.[396]"

Because this source's material has been present for years, I do need consensus to remove it regardless of my evaluation of it.

RCSCott91 (talk) 06:44, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Support. Unclear if it has gone though any peer review. It is a wonderful world (talk) 08:46, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

It has not been peer reviewed. It is an undergraduate assignment; I'm assuming, he did it as an honors paper although it is not labeled as such. I could contact him for questions.

RCSCott91 (talk) 09:12, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

I don't think there's any need. Even if it has been peer reviewed, it isn't enough to support such a strong summarizing statement, especially because of its age. It is a wonderful world (talk) 09:24, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Removed, source is not good enough (PHD at least would be usual and no evidence of citations by other RS). Selfstudier (talk) 09:32, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

@Selfstudier Historically, the source was used in the article more than once, the other portion(s) lost their citation a number of years ago as well, the only difference is I suspect they were edited into the article whereas the italic text is almost identical to when it was first added 8 years ago. I have the revisions date time, of when it was added, in my edit summary of the retrieval of source. RCSCott91 (talk) 09:48, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Turkey's position

Turkey is listed as being in opposition to Hezbollah. While this was the case during the Syrian civil war, since the Israel v Hamas War of 2023, Turkey's position has changed. Turkey and Hezbollah's opposition to Israel have aligned. While Turkey has not (yet) stated its support of Hezbollah as it has with Hamas, it also shouldn't be considered in opposition to Hezbollah anymore.

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/turkey-israel-gaza/ Betoota44 (talk) 14:13, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

I agree with your statement that "...[Türkiye] has not [yet] stated its support of Hezbollah...". Their prior official stance has been against Hezbollah, until they officially change that stance, any change would be based on political commentary that requires speculation.

There is a foreign relations section where this ultimatum tipping point can be added for context on Türkiye's complex and evolving political view of Hezbollah. RCSCott91 (talk) 15:26, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 September 2024

This sentence needs to be changed or removed: "Since then, close ties have developed between Iran and Hezbollah." The rest of the article makes clear that Iran played a critical role in the formation of Hezbollah. The "close ties" have been present from the organization’s founding. Suggested replacement text: "…after the Iranian Revolution in 1979 and has maintained close ties to Iran since then." Blocky1OOO (talk) 17:42, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Rejected, not because of form of request or disagreement with your objection to the wording but because Hezbollah was officially founded in 1982. You are welcome to re-word the request and submit again. RCSCott91 (talk) 18:03, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Targeting policy

The targeting policy section seems to focus on attacks that Hezbollah has condemned, rather ironically, pulling from sources like Saad-Ghorayeb, Amal in her book Hizbul̉lah: politics and Religion, where she explains Hezbollah's avoidance of attracting unwanted international attention by avoiding attacking Western targets.

Would it make more sense to rework this section to explain their targeting policy, pulling from the same sources, or simply rename the section something more in line with its content? RCSCott91 (talk) 02:58, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Lede

@OdNahlawi: WP:LEDE is a summary of the body, not a standalone article. [1] The burden to achieve consensus and initiate a discussion lies on the inserter of the contested material. Makeandtoss (talk) 11:59, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

I think that edit isn't the best representation of Hezbollah's ideology. It talks about "destruction of Israel", not even mentioning that in 1985 Israel was occupying Lebanon. The source used isn't particularly scholarly. Professor Al-Aloosy writes Hezbollah's original ideology was rebellious in nature, distrustful of authority. Hezbollah's resentment of Israel stemmed from the dire humanitarian conditions facing the Shi'ites. He goes and writes that by 2009 Hezbollah's ideology became "unrecognizable" when compared to the 1985 manifesto. For one, by 2009 it had become Lebanese nationalist, and secondly, they argued in favour of a plural democracy (but not liberal democracy) as opposed to Islamic theocracy. I'll go ahead and make those edits.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 05:46, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

This is also confirmed by Dr Farida who writes that Hezbollah's anti-Israel ideology is rooted in "the religious and ethnic persecution of Shi’ite communities in southern Lebanon during the Israeli occupation in 1973 and 1982" and "Hezbollah’s success in driving Israel out of southern Lebanon gained it widespread support among Lebanese Shi’ites". VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 05:55, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Also, why is Hezbollah's terrorist designation listed in the first paragraph? It shouldn't be. For example, with respect to Hamas it is not listed in the first paragraph. It is more logical to mention it alongside its military wing later in the lead.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 14:15, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Also why exactly is Hezbollah's role in providing "religious education" removed[2]? Even if "social services" is mentioned in a lower paragraph, this is still very much a part of what Hezbollah does and should be mentioned in the first paragraph.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 14:28, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

References

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 September 2024 (3)

The word "lead" in the initial paragraph is a spelling mistake. The correct spelling is "led". 80.195.242.130 (talk) 14:12, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

 Done It seems like the issue is fixed now. FunLater (talk) 16:58, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 September 2024 (2)

Remove current event box. Hezbollah is not a current event. It is an organisation involved in current events, but should not itself be considered an event. TheMinionsOfTheTrenches (talk) 11:51, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

 Done Nythar (💬-🍀) 18:02, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

"Hezbollah is a left-wing political entity focused on social injustice"

This claim is made in the "ideology" section under "1985 manifesto". The source given states "The ideology of Hezbollah has changed: it has nowadays a left-wing political speech focused on social justice." The author of that source cites The Failure of Political Islam by Olivier Roy, but I can find nothing here that explicitly says Hezbollah is left wing. In fact, that source only mentions Hezbollah a handful of times. The closest I can get are some lines detailing how Islamist movements had aligned with Marxists in the 50s, 60s, and 70s. The author goes on to state "they have in common the cult of the return to the past, of authenticity and purity; the concern with dress, food, and conviviality; the rebuilding of a "traditional" way of life". That sounds more conservative than left-wing to me, but I'm not going to argue that.

Scrolling through the talk page archive shows some old discussion about how Hezbollah is/isn't right or left wing.

Regardless of what their actual ideology is, I don't think there's a reason the line in question shouldn't be removed.

StalkerFishy (talk) 22:12, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this has been resolved yet. I've heard this line of thinking before. I think it stems, in the Middle East, largely from the former Soviet Union siding against Israel in the mid-1950s to maintain stable oil supplies from Arab states.

But that explanation never really explained the relationship that modern communist-leaning political groups have with Muslim groups in places like SE Asia. A prime example I can think of in the last decade is the anti-monarchy movement in Thailand.

It might be that I am lacking in Political Science and/or Theology instruction to understand either the political theory that explains it or the chain of events that seems to push a religious and non-religious set of groups together, at least anecdotally.

Technically speaking, Conservativism can be relatively centered depending on the society the term is being applied too; one of its main desires is to keep to the status quo. It's the fact that so many politicians use it as a buzzword; its meaning gets skewed. This is kind of similar to how US GOP politicians will remind people that Abraham Lincoln was the first Republican, except he ran on a party platform full of ideas like abolitionism and women's suffrage, which definitely wouldn't be maintaining the status quo.

Britannica - Conservatism

RCSCott91 (talk) 19:25, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Add A Fact: "Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah killed"

I found a fact that might belong in this article. See the quote below

The IDF said at around 09:00 BST that Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah had been killed in a "targeted strike" on the militant group's central headquarters in Dahieh, in southern Beirut

The fact comes from the following source:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981g8mrl8lt

Here is a wikitext snippet to use as a reference:

 {{Cite web |title=Israel-Lebanon latest: Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah killed in Beirut |url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981g8mrl8lt |website=BBC News |access-date=2024-09-28 |language=en-GB |quote=The IDF said at around 09:00 BST that Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah had been killed in a "targeted strike" on the militant group's central headquarters in Dahieh, in southern Beirut}} 

This post was generated using the Add A Fact browser extension.

U15627r473 (talk) 12:15, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Might wait for other sources to confirm. Ahri Boy (talk) 00:18, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Hezbollah Is a terrorist organization and should be categorized as such

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Per the United States government and the basic premis of their stated goals Hezbollah is and should be describes as a terrorist organization. According to the US government (citation below), "Hezbollah (“Party of God,” also spelled Hizballah) is an Iran-backed Lebanese Shia militia and U.S.-designated Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO). Hezbollah is an Iranian partner force, helping Tehran project power across the region, train allied militias (reportedly including Hamas), and threaten U.S. interests and allies across the region." Also "According to the U.S. government, the External Security Organization (ESO, also known as the Islamic Jihad Organization), headed by Talal Hamiyah, is the arm of Hezbollah responsible for overseas terrorist attacks."

There is no excuse for Wikipedia to label Hezbollah as a "political party" when their stated goal of the destruction of the Jewish State. They are a terrorist group with roots in Islamic Jihad and should be labeled as such for the proper education of those researching.

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF10703#:~:text=Hezbollah%20(“Party%20of%20God%2C,Foreign%20Terrorist%20Organization%20(FTO). 2601:58B:E80:7B20:1DB8:234:24E2:895A (talk) 03:48, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

There are at least 3 things that you don't appear to have considered or don't care about

• MOS:TERRORIST
• To categorize in Wikipedia means to describe something using Wikipedia's unattributed editorial voice i.e. to state something as an objective fact, which would be inappropriate in this case. When there are a variety of labels depending on POV, a "proper education" requires attribution to the labelers.
• Wikipedia is not part of the US government. See WP:NPOV. Sean.hoyland (talk) 04:33, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

@Kentucky Rain24: Clearly there is no consensus for the addition of this category. Makeandtoss (talk) 10:24, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

I don't think the above discussion from months ago is related to my recent edit. Kentucky Rain24 (talk) 15:28, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

@Kentucky Rain24: It is indeed not related to your recent edit, but related to the content of your recent edit, and that is the addition of a terrorism category. Please self-revert now that you are aware that there is more opposition than support to your edit. Makeandtoss (talk) 10:16, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

That someone opposes an edit I made is not enough of a reason to revert my edits. There's also someone who support it. Check oy the Terrorism in Lebanon article - there are whole paragraphs there about Hezbollah's activities. Kentucky Rain24 (talk) 11:56, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

@Kentucky Rain24: Your edit was reverted because it is POV of certain nations. Now after you have been notified that there are three opposers, and that is enough of a reason to self-revert. Pinging @Selfstudier: and @Sean.hoyland: who have commented on this bit. Makeandtoss (talk) 12:23, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

I think you are confusing labeling Hezbollah as a terrorist organization with categorizing this article as relevant to the category of terrorism in Lebanon, It is not the same thing. Is there a specific reason why you are only inviting people who support your position to this discussion? @user:Prodrummer619 Kentucky Rain24 (talk) 12:29, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

I don't appreciate the false accusation of canvassing, as I have only pinged the two confirmed users who have participated in this discussion. Makeandtoss (talk) 13:40, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

I pointed out what you did. The user I pinged is the one who added this category - surely you saw that? Kentucky Rain24 (talk) 15:00, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

The cat is a subcat of Islamic terrorism in Lebanon, which already contains H (idk whether it should, I don't like cats). So seems redundant anyway. Selfstudier (talk) 12:31, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

It's the other way around - Islamic terrorism in Lebanon is a subcat of this. But yeah, that makes sense, we only need the more specific sub category. Kentucky Rain24 (talk) 12:35, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Now I am wondering if we should add the state terrorism category to Israel. Makeandtoss (talk) 13:45, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

There is the State-sponsored terrorism cat which includes Terrorism by (various countries), you could probably add one for Israel. Selfstudier (talk) 15:04, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

State terrorism and state-sponsored terrorism are both possibilities, I wonder how much RS support there is for applying those labels to Israel. I can think of examples of both but I'm not an RS. My guess is there is also enough RS support for categorizing Hezbollah as terrorism and state-sponsored terrorism by Iran, but I've never looked it up. Levivich (talk) 18:28, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

The last sentence of the last paragraph, fourth paragraph, to mention this fact, is too late. This should be the first or second sentence of the lede. Wikipedia is not part of the US Government, but the designation by the US Government and others is important enough to warrant immediate mention in the article. Drsruli (talk) 06:02, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Nope, and shouldn't have to respond to non EC speechifying, either. Selfstudier (talk) 11:49, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

So if United States, United Kingdom, European Union, Canada, Gulf Cooperation Council, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, United Arab Emirates, Argentina, Colombia, Estonia, Germany, Honduras, Israel, Kosovo, Lithuania, Malaysia, Paraguay, Serbia, Slovenia, Gautemala, and others claim Hezbollah as a terrorist group isn't enough for wikipedia to label them as such. However somehow they have enough sources to label Proud Boys as far right pro fascist militant organization. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:90C8:503:BE18:21EC:8324:97A:8257 (talk) 05:51, 24 September 2024 (UTC) WP:ARBECR

There is literally a list, Under foreign relations, breaking down countries that list Hezbollah as a terrorist group. Possibly the main reasons Hezbollah is not listed as a terrorist group on Wikipedia is: it acts in a hybridized political/paramilitary form one that usually doesn't exist for long periods in a democracy, normally a group like that will either take over to become a ruling regime or the government will attempt to squish them, generally they don't become a political party that coalition with the dominate political party in parliament.

The second reason probably stems from the fact that the UN has refrained from adding them to the consolidated terror group list, the majority of countries don't keep an active list of terrorist groups outside their own country or interests; they instead largely differ to the consolidated list, example would includes India who has a running list of internal terrorist groups but also includes any group of the UN list.

Editors are supposed to remain neutral, so having a broken down list in a complex situation like this makes the most sense.

With the Proud Boys, they have been labeled a fascist paramilitary group by their host nations. (US and Canada; and certain Oceania and European countries that the group exists (ed). Hezbollah is not labeled a terrorist group by Lebanon.

RCSCott91 (talk) 18:46, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Drug trade and financing

I don’t understand why there is no mention of the illegal drug trades , both inside of Lebanon and in Syria and around the world. Instead it’s moved to a separate article not mentioned in the the main one. I mean, nobody believes that they maintain 100 thousand rockets on donations alone 2A0D:6FC2:4D22:4C00:30EB:9745:D650:5B65 (talk) 05:41, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

That's a novel use of "there is no mention" given that it is covered in the Hezbollah#Funding and Hezbollah#Latin_America_operations sections of this article, with further coverage in Funding of Hezbollah and Drug_economy_in_Lebanon#Hezbollah's_involvement_in_the_drug_industry. Sean.hoyland (talk) 08:20, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Also, bear in mind that the IRGC military-industrial complex is the size of pretty large multi-billion dollar company. Sean.hoyland (talk) 08:43, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

The drug topic is mentioned in section Organization, subsection Funding. Also links to detail pages are included.

I propose the "Funding" part be merged with the (stub) section "Economic activities" to resolve this confusing situation. 213.208.157.36 (talk) 10:19, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 September 2024

There's a minor typo in the History section, first paragraph: "many villages in the south had been destroyed and large numbers of Shias had been displaces from their homes", should be changed to "many villages in the south had been destroyed and large numbers of Shias had been displaced from their homes".

Thanks in advance. Gue101 (talk) 14:41, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

 Done Nythar (💬-🍀) 01:37, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Source 393 does not indicate that Malaysia considers Hezbollah a terrorist group

^ 2001:D08:2293:5F3E:B41C:2534:B87:49DF (talk) 13:56, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

• Hmm. This seems murky. Hezbollah is indeed on that list, the second last page. That list consists of entities that either (a) facilitated a terrorist act or (b) were associated with entities that facilitated a terrorist act. So is Hezbollah a terrorist group according to Malaysia? Maybe if (a), maybe not if (b). Either way, this document seems like a primary source. A secondary source is needed for due coverage. starship.paint (RUN) 14:10, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
• I am removing it. Editors can find a reliable secondary source if they want to add it back. starship.paint (RUN) 10:25, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 September 2024

TbhTindia (talk) 20:07, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.

[Hezbollah denies choosing Hashem Safieddine as Nasrallah replacement]

RCSCott91 (talk) 20:31, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Secretary-General Of Hezbollah hashem safieddine