Talk:Hidden Treasures (EP)

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• The second paragraph of the lead needs to be expanded to atleast three sentences, otherwise it needs to be combined with the first paragraph.
  • Merged--L1A1 FAL (talk) 03:49, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
• "A couple years later..." --poor English, write "The band would later..."
  • Done--L1A1 FAL (talk) 03:49, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
• "Background and songs" should be split into 2 sections. One section ("Background") ought to focus on the background of the songs, while a "Musical themes and structure" ought to deal with lyrics, sound, structure, etc. You will need more info for these sections.
  • To be worked on--L1A1 FAL (talk) 03:49, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
• Combine "Release" and "Critical reception" into one section: "Release and reception"
  • Done--L1A1 FAL (talk) 03:49, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

I have made a couple changes to the page but it should look a lot better once these issues are addressed. CrowzRSA 20:07, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

• • I'm only four months late in actually checking in here, but checking over your recommendations, most have been done, excluding more elaboration on the song structure and whatnot.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 03:49, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Hidden Treasures (EP)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Curly Turkey (talk · contribs) 22:13, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

I'll review this one. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 22:13, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

• A rarities compilation, Hidden Treasures features material drawn from songs that Megadeth had recorded for a number projects, but had not released on one of the band's studio albums.^[†] Most of these were contributions to soundtracks for movies and video games.: what is the citation for this? It's not the Buckley one that follows.
  • This was supposed to be a summary statement, to be supported by citations for each of the songs independently. I'll put all the relevant cites for all the songs there, after I verify them all.
• In 1989, Megadeth was asked to record a version of Alice Cooper's "No More Mr. Nice Guy" for the soundtrack to the Wes Craven-directed horror film Shocker.: the source doesn't actually say they were asked to do that track---only that the band recorded it and it appeared in the soundtrack to the movie.
  • removed "asked to"
• It is the only time that the band had recorded as a three-piece, as it was recorded after the firing of Jeff Young and before Marty Friedman was hired as a replacement. Again, this is not in the citation that follows
  • Seeking assistance...
    • If there simply isn't a source stating it was the only time they recorded as a three-piece, you could simply cut it down to "The band had recorded as a three-piece" (without "the only time"), which is strictly factual. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 01:58, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
      • I don't think that the song-by-song recording credits are in the liner notes (I don't have them; I viewed a scan of them on Ebay to cite them, so I can't check them now unless I find them again) Update:found a scan of them on Ebay (theu're just the back side of the cover) and it does not list performance credits. I'm just going to remve the whole statement and Retro can re-add it if he finds it in the Buckley citation.(Not going to remove it now because I see Retro cited them from the band website)--L1A1 FAL (talk) 00:41, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
• It was released as a single in 1990 and peaked at number 13 on the UK Singles Chart.: the souce doesn't say it was released in 1990, only that it peaked at #13 in the UK in January 1990.
  • Fixed
• The band later recorded "Go to Hell" for Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey soundtrack, which was released in 1991.: again, this isn't mentioned in the citation that follows
  • Changed it to "was included on..."

Okay, that was just the first paragraph. The article seems well-written and comprehensive given what it it's about, but the sourcing has to be dealt with. Every statement in the article has to reflect what's in the sources provided, with the exception of movie or book summaries (which doesn't apply to this article). The stuff I've pointed out above seems common enough knowledge that it should be easy to source---anything that can't be sourced should be dropped (yes, even if you "know" it to be "true").

These reviews are supposed to be open for no longer than a week. If you think you can source everyything in that time, then I'll wait (I don't think it'll be that difficult). If you can do that, I'll finish going through the article, and I suspect it'll pass (everything else looks fine---it's well-written, well-organized, etc). Please let me know what you'd like to do, L1A1 FAL. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 22:27, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Wow, i wasn't expecting a review this quick! I put it there and figured "I'll come back to it in six months". I'd help with the backlog, but I've only done one review and just don't feel like I know enough. In any case, I think that most things here would be a pretty quick fix. Especially since I have a lot of time (several days with nothing much else to do) to do so after tomorrow. Thanks for getting the review going!--L1A1 FAL (talk) 23:19, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

L1A1 FAL, check 1989 from the band's website for having the song recorded with three members. Curly Turkey, can you check whether a review of this EP is featured in Colin Larkin's Encyclopedia of Popular Music?--Retrohead (talk) 11:50, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Having used the band's website in the past, I've noticed that every couple of years, they change the website up (generally coinciding with a new album release), and many of the urls on some of the pages (like the history and FAQ sections of the band's website) end up as dead links. Actually, If I recall correctly, I've had that problem about a year or 18 months ago on this same article. In any case, I try not to use the band's website if I can avoid it.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 20:09, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Retrohead: Did I use that as a source somewhere? I don't own it, and I can't access it on Google Books. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 12:02, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

I haven't noticed whether you've used it so far, but assumed you can find it on Google Books since you're more skillful with the search engine than me.--Retrohead (talk) 12:06, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Well, Google Books isn't letting me access it, and Questia doesn't have it (not that it would have helped at the moment—my account just expired). The library system in Shizuoka doesn't have it either, so I guess we're out of luck with that book. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 12:32, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Update: I used the band's website as a source for "No More Mr. Nice Guy" being recorded with three members. I think this information has been in the article for years, but apart from Megadeth.com, Google offers nothing about this.--Retrohead (talk) 19:35, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

• In the Megadeth article you've got "three-piece" sourced to Buckley 2003, p. 660. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 22:49, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

That ref is used to confirm the song's appearance in Wes Craven's film. I found page 660 on Google Books, but it says nothing about the song being recorded with three musicians. Though the band's website can be considered a primary source, it's the best we can get.--Retrohead (talk) 11:17, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

If that's the case, then a cite is needed for "three-piece" in the Megadeth article. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 11:33, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

I've simply removed the line in this article. If a source comes up in the future, it can be re-added with an appropriate citation--L1A1 FAL (talk) 16:28, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Comments

• Despite being out-of-print in the United States, most of the songs are available on the Warchest box set.: this is uncited

This could be sourced with the Warchest booklet, right? It's up to L1A1.--Retrohead (talk) 12:41, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Deleted--L1A1 FAL (talk) 17:35, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

• "99 Ways to Die": do you know why a 1993 song would get a Grammy nomination in 1995?

Probably because the single was released in late 1993 (October to December), and it was not eligible to be nominated at the 1994 Awards. Same as The Marshall Mathers LP 2–released in November 2013, Grammy nominated in 2015.--Retrohead (talk) 12:41, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

I'm going with what he said--L1A1 FAL (talk) 17:35, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

• The "Release and reception" section doesn't actually mention the release date. Was July 18, 1995, the release date of the standalone or the Youthanasia bonus disc?

Standalone. Also mentioned with cite--L1A1 FAL (talk) 17:35, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

• A couple things that won't affect whether this'll be promoted:
  • The song features the same prayer used in "Enter Sandman" by Metallica, and can be heard at the beginning of the track.: did you know that this soundtrack was released three weeks before "Enter Sandman" was? Not that I'm expecting you to add that if the sources don't state it, but it would be nice to clarify the background here---the way it's worded, it appears to assume familiarity with the relation between Mustaine and Metallica, as well as the chronology (it assumes the reader knows when "Sandman" was released, and that the reader knows it was a big deal)
    • I suppose it does assume all that, and I can remove all mention of Sandman, if you feel that's best. I knew they were released about the same time, but I never looked at specific dates, because that far back, they';re sometimes tricky to track down. I looked at the song's page, and the cite for its release date is some page or another on Metallica.com, and I want to rely on band websites as little as possible, so I'm going to omit that, at least for now.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 17:48, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
      • It's not a big deal, but it clearly would be better if clarified. Don't worry about it. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 22:10, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
  • if you're using {{sfn}}, you might be interested in looking at {{efn}} for endnotes

That's Retrohead's territory there, I'm not really good with book cites. I added one book cite, but I just copied the preexisting format--L1A1 FAL (talk) 17:35, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

• Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 00:12, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Sources

• What is Metal Assault, and what makes it a RS?

Do you believe this to be self-published? It is a concert review, only used to note the performance of a song. If you want it gone, I'll take it out.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 23:46, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Update Retro, if you want to revisit this, feel free to, but for now, I've taken this cite, and the statement with it, out.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 23:51, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

• Ditto RockOnTheNet

Replaced--L1A1 FAL (talk) 23:46, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

• Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 22:10, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Okay, this nomination appears now to meet all the criteria. I'm passing it. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 08:48, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

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Trivia

Great article about a rare disc. I need to add this one to my collection. Just a couple of points, questions, trivia, whatever...

1. If the Beavis & Butthead Experience was released in 93, why was 99 Ways not nominated for a Grammy until 95? I just don't know how organizations like the Grammys work, so anyone that can shed light on that I thank you in advance.

2. Funny trivia on the Paranoid song, from the NIB album page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nativity_in_Black#Nativity_in_Black:_A_Tribute_to_Black_Sabbath_(1994) it states "Megadeth's cover of Paranoid is also famous for drummer Nick Menza playing past the end of the song and lead singer Dave Mustaine yelling, "Nick? Nick?! NICK!" and he finally stops. Menza can be faintly heard saying, "Fuck me running!" shortly after." I don't know if we want to include that here or just leave it where it is? Cheers! FiggazWithAttitude (talk) 16:10, 11 April 2019 (UTC)