Talk:Hindu Mela

GA Review

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Reviewer: AirshipJungleman29 (talk · contribs) 03:28, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Starting review. Please consider reviewing another article at WP:GAN. Ping me if I don't get to this by the weekend. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 03:28, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it well written?

   A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:

   B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:

2. Is it verifiable with no original research?

   A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:

   B. Reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose):

   C. It contains no original research:

   D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:

   B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):

4. Is it neutral?

   It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:

5. Is it stable?

   It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:

6. Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?

   A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content:

   B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

Source spot-checks

Because there are so few citations in the article, I will spot-check all that I can from this version:

• 1a: The opening three sentences are almost identical to the source, the latter two sentences especially. This is clear WP:CLOP, and needs rephrasing.

 Done Rephrased

• 1b: The source does not say that the support of the Tagore family was financial, that more than one member of the family recited poetry, or that any member sang songs.

I've added a source that says that the help was financial (in Bengali). Wrt to the rest of that statement, it is inferred from the rest of the article, (Satyendranath, Rabindranath (and Dwijendranath to a certain extent) are known to have performed and composed songs, poems and given speeches in the fair during this time period based on Mukhopadhyay and the other sources). There isn't a source that makes this specific statement however, and I can remove this if you insist.

• 1c Despite being too young to participate during the founding years of the mela is not supported by the source. The third sentence is too close for comfort to the source. The fourth sentence spills over onto p. 31.

Again, the youngness feels like a reasonable assumption to make. Tagore's age would have been 7 when the mela started (this is not me speculating and is corroborated by a few sources) :) Maybe this needs rewriting somehow ?

• 1d good
• 2: cannot access the source
• 3a the article's presentation of the prospectus title is considerably different from the source, where it is simply called "Prospectus of a Society". The article also seems to omit Basu's role in the founding of the mela, instead relegating him to the role of "inspiration", whereas according to the source: "the main planner was Rajnarayan Basu." I also do not see the "National Society" in the source.

I've added a source which provides more context and clarified Basu's role.

• 3b WP:CLOP is again present: After three years, due to the untimely death of Ganendranath, Dwijendranath Tagore took over the post of secretary... In addition to this, Dwijendranath also presided over the 8th and 10th annual conferences. is just too close to the source.

I've expanded this, hopefully removing WP:CLOP issues.

• 3c, d, and e (I'll address these together as they're next to each other): again, very close to WP:CLOP. Phrases such as promote fraternity amongst Indians and work towards the upliftment of the country are nearly identical to the source. The second paragraph is better than the first, though.

I've removed that exact wording and expanded the text to more closely align with the original organizer's POV based on a Bengali source.

• 4 not supported by the source

 Done Fixed.

• 5 can't access

 Done Added a few sources to support the statements

• 6 verging dangerously on WP:CLOP again.

I've edited it and removed some obvious CLOP statements that I could not verify after looking at the original source material that this was based on.

General comments

• I copyedited the article for a few minor details.
  • I added a "the" before the bold title to match the rest of the article.
• It seems odd to italicise "mela" when referring to the whole "Hindu Mela". The sources do not appear to do so.

 Done Fixed

• You should probably explain what "mela" means, for those unfamiliar with the subcontinent.

"mela" translates to "fair" or "festival" both of which are mentioned in the lede

• A good idea with short articles like this is to try to support each sentence with multiple sources. Not only does this reduce the risk of close paraphrasing (see above) but it produces clearer writing in general.

I've tried adding in a few sources, however, a lot of the more comprehensive sources are eithier offline or are written in Bengali (and refer to the same mela with different names and spellings) making them hard to track down.

Overall

Sohom Datta, the sourcing issues with this are considerable, especially the close paraphrasing. It is in fact eligible for quickfailing, under 1) and 2) of the QF criteria. However, I am conscious of the length of the GA queue, and so will put this nomination on hold for seven days; if the issues are not fixed by 4 February, I will fail the nomination. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:19, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

AirshipJungleman29 I've gone ahead and made a few changes and left comments regarding a few. Let me know if more changes are required. Sohom (talk) 19:06, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

@AirshipJungleman29 (fix ping) Sohom (talk) 19:07, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Sohom Datta, the article is in a much better state; I have done a thorough copyedit to focus on prose clarity and concision (GA criterion 1a)) and to avoid a WP:FIXLOOP. A couple of points still remain, relating to Rabindranath Tagore. Yes, unless "Despite being too young to participate during the founding years of the mela" is explicitly stated somewhere, it should be cut—six years old is not too young to be a participant in a festival. The sentence It was there that he was first exposed to anti-British sentiments, which shaped his beliefs later in life. is also now out of place, as the previous sentence describes him reciting a poem. You might also want to outline the relationships between the different Tagore family members in the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 22:03, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

I've removed that statement, and tried to reword things to fit in together. Let me know if it works :) Sohom (talk) 15:40, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Made a few further edits; all looks good now. Passing. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:53, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Lightburst talk 02:00, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

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• Article history

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• ... that several organisers of the Hindu Mela were involved in a secret society that manufactured matchsticks? Source: Hogan, Patrick Colm; Pandit, Lalita (2003). Rabindranath Tagore: Universality and Tradition. Fairleigh Dickinson Univ Press. ISBN 9780838639801.
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Ray E. Dillon Jr.

Improved to Good Article status by Sohom Datta (talk). Self-nominated at 20:18, 1 February 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Hindu Mela; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: I found the fact intriguing. The article is well sourced and well written. Meets all the eligibility requirements. I doubled checked the spelling, and "organisers" is an accepted alternate spelling. I like the article @Sohom Datta:, anything else you want to add? 🌿MtBotany (talk) 21:40, 24 February 2024 (UTC)