Talk:Historic Cherokee settlements

Toxaway

Parkwells I'm not sure if it was later called Toxaway or if it was originally called Toxaway and became Tosawa. Tosawa could be a Cherokee name for sure. There is no real "x" in the Cherokee written language though there are sounds that come close to it in the spoken and some Cherokee words/phrases are spoken with an "x" sound in it like "Jadaxsastesti" which is used to say "take care". However, it is unclear whether that phrase is original or if it was pulled from neighboring societies and passed down modified to fit in the Cherokee language. Do we have some kind of chronological data that shows when Toxaway and Tosawa was used, respectively? --ARoseWolf 14:53, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Good point. Looking at the prevalence of the Toxaway spelling in current names for river, lake, etc., it appears that it was probably a transliteration in English of the Cherokee name, or its variation. Have not been able to find anything explicitly explaining the origin. I just thought it might be useful to relate it to the name as currently spelled for so many features.Parkwells (talk) 17:34, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Parkwells Ah, that's fine. It very much could be a transliteration into English. I thought maybe you found something and wanted to see if it could be added. It's very possible there was a longer way to pronounce "Tosawa" even in Cherokee, which we know were notorious for shortening words much like we do today in the English language due to familiarity. No worries, just curious. :-) --ARoseWolf 17:40, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

We are missing additional towns in the record, especially with the duplicated-named towns and those with slightly different spellings; and there is also more info to be gleaned from sources for the ones already in the article. I'm taking a break from article creation for a bit but will be back to expanding this article in the near future. Hopefully, the community will get some of that done, too. Thanks, P and T for your helpful additions and input. It is now approved for DYK. GenQuest ^"scribble" 04:23, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the encouragement. I'm planning to add more towns to the table, beginning with those with WP articles.Parkwells (talk) 19:50, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Current status of some historic settlements

I added content and cites for the EBCI's acquisition since the late 20th century of historic town sites in the area of the Middle Towns and Out Towns. It seems such hopeful progress and a sign of continuity, but other editors may think it too much of a digression in this article.Parkwells (talk) 19:43, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

mistake

In the chart "A partial list of pre-removal Cherokee settlements" the first one named, Black Fox, is located "On the Clinch River near Black Fox, Bradley County, Tennessee" (on the 4th column). While there IS a Black Fox community in Bradley County, TN, it is nowhere near the Clinch River and is unlikely to be the actual area for the settlement. Please check on this and fix it. I could edit it but I don't know where it actually was. It could not have been both in Bradley County AND on the Clinch River. Krisandtim (talk) 23:50, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Krisandtim, thank you or pointing this out. I think there was some confusion because there were multiple Cherokee settlements with the same name. This could be the case or we could be talking about an, as yet unknown, settlemt on the Clinch River. I agree with your assessment. There is no way the same town could be in both locations. Most likely the Black Fox settlement that was founded by Dragging Canoe's Cherokee faction was in the Chattanooga area so the location near Cleveland would seem more appropriate based on what we know. I will keep searching for the Norris Lake settlement location. --ARoseWolf 14:59, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

We have ancestors from SW Bradley county and areas nearby, some surnamed Wolfe btw. If I learn anything I'll pass it on to you. Krisandtim (talk) 20:55, 10 May 2023 (UTC)