Talk:History of Manchester United F.C. (1878–1945)

why this page is being created

For the discussion on why this page is being created, please have a look at Talk:Manchester_United_F.C. At the moment it just contains the relevant stuff from History of Manchester United; I'm about to merge in the relevant text from Manchester United F.C. Cantthinkofagoodname 16:05, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Content from Manchester United F.C.

I've merged it in now. Comments would be much appreciated.

Good Friday scandal of 1915

Anybody know anything about the Good Friday scandal of 1915 [1] [2]? Cutler 23:43, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

If anyone is interested, we now have an article about it at 1915 British football betting scandal. doomgaze (talk) 16:42, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

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Propose renaming

I propose that this article be renamed "History of Manchester United F.C. (1878-1945)" in line with the "History of Arsenal F.C." articles. Please feel free to leave your comments, whether they be pro- or anti- this proposed renaming. - PeeJay 20:09, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

FREDERICK ATTOCK

What about Frederick Attock, the founder of Newton Heath LYR later the Manchester United Football Club in this history of the club ??? Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.195.171.191 (talk) 22:40, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

OK I'll add him in. Tom (talk) 18:45, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Why 'United'?

I came here seeking clarification on the club's name. I'd imagined perhaps a number of different Manchester clubs had united to form a single club or something. The article reads: ...the new owners renamed the club Manchester United Football Club, after considering the alternate names "Manchester Celtic" and "Manchester Central". And that's all I could find. Do we know any more than this? --Jeff79 (talk) 08:32, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

The suggestion is that the club was intended to represent the whole of Manchester, i.e. a "united" Manchester, but this is only conjecture. It's certainly nothing to do with a merger with another club. – PeeJay 02:48, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Who invested what in 1902?

This article says: ...team captain Harry Stafford and Davies, who would lead a group of businessmen. Together, they came up with £2,000 to save the club.

But Manchester United F.C. says: Captain Harry Stafford found four local businessmen, including John Henry Davies (who became club president), each willing to invest £500 in return for a direct interest in running the club (£2000 in total as above, but it came from only 4 people, not including Stafford)

History of Manchester United F.C. (1878–1945) is different again, saying: In March 1902, at a meeting in the New Islington Hall, Stafford announced to Newton Heath supporters that he, Davies and three other local businessmen had agreed to invest £200 each in the club in order to save it after a winding-up order had been issued two months earlier (£200 each from 5 people is only £1,000)

Bank Street (football ground) seems to agree with this article: The club was presented with a winding up order in January 1902, and Bank Street was on the brink of being repossessed until they were saved at the eleventh hour by a wealthy local brewer, John Henry Davies. He and four other men, among them club captain Harry Stafford, invested a total of £2,000 in the club, now renamed Manchester United F.C., and Davies himself paid £500 for the erection of a new 1,000-seat stand at Bank Street (£2,000 from 5 people, but it's not clear whether that includes the £500 for the stand)

And Harry Stafford isn't any help: The United captain told Davies about the club he played for and the financial trouble they were in. Davies decided to buy the team and wipe away the debt.

59.108.42.46 (talk) 06:29, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

According to the sources I've seen, the investment group was made up of five people, including Harry Stafford. Stafford did not invest any money, while the other four contributed £500 for a total investment of £2000. – PeeJay 10:48, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

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