Talk:History of the Jews in New Zealand

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The Hebrew page of this claim for 7,000-15,000 Jews in New Zealand. Why does the english wiki take the lowest estimation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.60.246.151 (talk) 06:49, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

The 2006 census gives 6,858 people of Jewish religion.Census table That appears to be the most reliable figure available.-gadfium 07:00, 10 May 2012 (UTC):Indented line — Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.89.201.238 (talk) 04:33, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

I had added the numbers 10,000-20,000. The census asks about many factors: Ethnicity, Nationality and religion are all Jewish and they are all mixed together. Not all Jews will define themselves as such ethnically or religiously, depend on the person. Moreover, many Jewish people wish not to register themselves in a government record as Jews due to the history. Many Israeli-Jews that lives in New Zealand or American-Jews won't answer their ethnicity as Jewish and neither their Religion as their Judaism in culturally. Is is unclear how many Jewish people are in New Zealand, I assume arround 14,000-16,000. But the diffrent opinions ranges from 7,000 to 20,000.

Page is in need of reorganization

The page headings are unhelpful and misleading. A more consistent organization such as the one on History_of_the_Jews_in_Australia would be more useful. Hza a 9 (talk) 19:13, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

——Thank you, I'm working on that model nowCarolynimhoff (talk) 11:46, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

It's not clear

The dates embedded in the image in the article, seen at right, are unhelpful because it is unclear what they mean.

• The top right printing on the image says "BENJAMIN LEVY 1828" and beneath that "1880-1853".
• Obviously he can't have been born in 1880 if the photo was taken in 1828.
• The image description says "Date on photo is wrong, Levy was born 1818, not 1828".
• But, doesn't that "1928" in the image refer to the year the pic was taken?
• That means Ben Levy was 10 years old when photographed in 1828.
• He looks to be in his 40s.

Hopefully someone who has genealogical details for the Levy family can clear it up with an explanation in the caption in the article.Moriori (talk) 21:39, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

@Carolynimhoff:, are you able to assist with this question? Akld guy (talk) 02:59, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

I am a descendent of Benjamin Levy and Esther Solomon and yes, the pictures have contradictory dates that make no sense. I will correct themCarolynimhoff (talk) 10:05, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Removed paragraph on "chalitsa"

I just removed the following paragaph:

"Interestingly enough the contract, pictured at left, fell into disuse worldwide shortly afterwards. The contract deals with the Biblical requirement that the brother of the deceased either marry his widow, a procedure known as "yibum", levirate marriage, or alternatively the mutual obligation can be dissolved by the procedure called chalitsa. Sometimes unscrupulous men would demand payment before agreeing to the procedure. In this document which was usually signed prenuptially the groom's brother is agreeing that if his brother dies childless he will agree to the chalitsa procedure forthwith and without demanding payment. He further agrees that if he delays he will support his former sister-in-law until the chalitsa is done."

It is completely uncited, but even if fully supported by reliable sources, it is not relevant to the history of Jews in Australia New Zealand. It might be relevant to an article about Jewish marriage, or jewish marriage contracts. Even there, a phrase such as "interestingly enough" does not have a proper encyclopedic tone. DES ^(talk) 00:06, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

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"the Jews"?

Seeing this article for the first time, the wording "the Jews" in the title stood out to me. In other contexts (referring to other ethnic or religious groups), using the article "the" in front of the name tends to be frowned upon these days. Would anyone prefer that this be renamed "History of Jews in New Zealand" (without the "the")? Or is this not a big deal? Ross Finlayson (talk) 17:13, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

I'd really like to do that, this creeps me out and implicitly sounds like something an anti-semite conspiracist would say to be honest. I'll try figure out how to do it and send through a name change request or something of the sort. User:Gal O'Golly (talk) 06:11, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

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Query re: Annotated Birman Map

On the Wikipedia page "History of the Jews in New Zealand" there is an image titled "Annotated Birman Map". It is a map showing the aft section of one of the decks of the barque Birman, an emigrant ship that sailed from England to New Zealand in 1841. My Scottish ancestors were on that particular voyage to New Zealand and I would dearly like to get a copy of the full map. Does anyone know if such a full (or complete) map exists, and how might I obtain a copy, please?

Thankyou. Alexander Grinn (talk) 05:54, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Also under discussion at User talk:Carolynimhoff#Birman passengers map. CMD (talk) 06:11, 15 May 2024 (UTC)