Talk:Homi J. Bhabha

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I have improved the article quite a bit, but this article needs to be significantly expanded to give a true picture of him. In particular, details of how he established other institutions (BARC was originally a heavy water manufacturing facility, designed and built under his guidance; this and many other facts are there which I haven't yet included). If anyone familiar with him or his achievements reads this, please contribute to the article.Pratik.mallya (talk) 17:15, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

I've expanded the sections in the article quite a bit! I believe it's ready to be nominated for good article status now. Ishan Mukherjee (talk) 14:45, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Update: nominated. Ishan Mukherjee (talk) 21:00, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

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Choice of focus of his scientific studies

"During this time, nuclear physics was attracting the greatest minds and it was one of the most significantly emerging fields as compared to theoretical physics, the opposition towards theoretical physics attacked the field because it was lenient towards theories rather than proving natural phenomenon through experiments." - Really? Needs at least a reference but more likely a deletion in view of the sentence's presumptive and speculative nature.Gaussgauss (talk) 02:38, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Couldn't find a reference for this claim, and might be giving undue weight to a POV, so I've removed it. Ishan Mukherjee (talk) 14:47, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Gujarati

What was the name of Dr Homi Jahangir bhabha's father? 2409:4041:2E1E:767C:2007:5E27:5B0E:332C (talk) 07:04, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

"His father was Jehangir Hormusji Bhabha, a well known Parsi lawyer." -- It is there in the article. Also, if you have future questions, Wikipedia:Reference desk might be the better place to ask as article talk pages are for discussions to improve the article and questions left here may not be seen. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 12:40, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Reporting on assassination claims

I'm removing the bolded sentence from the section on Bhabha's death, "...Douglas wrote that Crowley said that a bomb in the cargo section of the plane exploded mid-air, bringing down the commercial Boeing 707 airliner in Alps with few traces, saying: "We could have blown it up over Vienna but we decided the high mountains were much better for the bits and pieces to come down on". The Indian media proceeded to report on these claims largely unquestioned."

First, the bolded claim seems simply false. A quick Google search for "Bhabha assassination conspiracy" brings up several news articles that, while discussing the Douglas book, mention that it's only a conspiracy theory. See these Print and Statesman articles for example.

Second, and more important, this claim strikes me as WP:NOR. To quote Wikipedia's article, original research "includes any analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to reach or imply a conclusion not stated by the sources. To demonstrate that you are not adding original research, you must be able to cite reliable, published sources that are directly related to the topic of the article and directly support the material being presented." Unless a scholarly article is found which could be used to cite the claim that Indian reporting of the Douglas theory has been unquestioning, the claim shouldn't be included. Even if such an article is found, and if a decision is taken to include the claim, it should only be added as "[some author] has found that Indian reporting has been unquestioning".

Note that on the balance, I personally find the conspiracy theory unlikely. I imagine many editors of this article would, too. Of course, though, that's no reason to allow the inclusion of original research.

I've also added some evidence that theorists use to support the conspiracy from the Statesman article linked above. Ishan Mukherjee (talk) 14:58, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for improving the article the way you are currently doing. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 18:28, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Mike Christie (talk · contribs) 16:52, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

I'll review this. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 16:52, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

• File:TIFRAC.jpg the license is clearly incorrect as the image is at least 70 years old and not the work of the uploader.
• WP:EARWIG flags a couple of places where the text in the article is taken from other sources without appropriate paraphrasing:
  • The article has "In 1937, with Walter Heitler, he co-authored a paper, "The passage of fast electrons and the theory of cosmic showers" in the Proceedings of the Royal Society, Series A, in which they used their theory to describe how primary cosmic rays from outer space interact with the upper atmosphere to produce particles observed at the ground level. " This page has "His classic paper, jointly with W. Heitler, published in 1937 described how primary cosmic rays from space interact with the upper atmosphere to produce particles observed at the ground level".
  • The article has "Bhabha later concluded that observations of the properties of the meson would lead to the straightforward experimental verification of the time dilation phenomenon predicted by Albert Einstein's theory of relativity." The same webpage has "In 1938 Bhabha was the first to conclude that observations of the properties of such particles would lead to the straightforward experimental verification of Albert Einstein's theory of relativity."
  • The article has "The trustees of Sir Dorabji Tata Trust decided to accept Bhabha's proposal and financial responsibility for starting the Institute in April 1944." The same webpage has "The trustees of Sir Dorab J. Tata Trust decided to accept Bhabha's proposal and financial responsibility for starting the Institute in April 1944."
  • The article has "When Bhabha realised that technology development for the atomic energy programme could no longer be carried out within TIFR he proposed to the government to build a new laboratory entirely devoted to this purpose. For this purpose, 1,200 acres (490 ha) of land was acquired at Trombay from the Bombay Government. Thus, the Atomic Energy Establishment Trombay (AEET) started functioning in 1954." The same webpage has "When Bhabha realised that technology development for the atomic energy programme could no longer be carried out within TIFR he decided to build a new laboratory entirely devoted to this purpose. He managed to acquire 1200 acres of land at Trombay, near Bombay for this purpose. Thus the Atomic Energy Establishment started functioning in 1954."
• I also picked a sentence out of the article to check against the source. FN 52 cites "Twenty years younger than Nehru, Bhabha addressed him as "Dear Bhai", or "Dear Brother", while Nehru addressed Bhabha as "My dear Homi". Indira Gandhi later recalled that her father always found the time to speak to Bhabha, both because, she claimed, Bhabha brought to him urgent matters that required immediate attention, and because conversations with him afforded Nehru "warm moments of sensitivity that other people take for granted in their everyday life", but which are harder to come by in the life of a politician." The source has "The young scientist addressed Nehru as 'Dear Bhai 1 and Nehru addressed Bhabha as ‘My dear Homi’. Years later, Mrs Indira Gandhi would recall how her father always found time to talk to Bhabha no matter how late it was not because Bhabha brought to him urgent matters that required his immediate attention but because such conversations were refreshing, satisfying perhaps an unfulfilled need for intellectual company that his life in politics denied him."

I'm going to stop the review here and fail this nomination because of these problems. I recommend going through the article and checking that the prose is not taken from or incompletely paraphrased any of the sources before renominating. I checked to see if this could be a case where the text was taken from Wikipedia, but the webpage has essentially identical versions on archive.org going back to early 2007. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 17:30, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

GA review result

@Ishan Mukherjee: Hi, would you like to work on the shortcomings raised in GA Review? I have fixed the image issue, but don't know much about the rest. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 20:09, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Been quite a while since you posted this, but I wanted to say: I think good article status would have felt nice, but paraphrasing the text would be both time-taking and unpleasant work. Also, the time I spend editing Wikipedia is pretty counterfactual -- I could be working on neglected articles instead. Ishan Mukherjee (talk) 10:38, 20 July 2024 (UTC)