Talk:Hopalong Cassidy

There is

There is a reference to Hopalong Cassidy in the F. Scott Fitzgerald novel, The Great Gatsby.
74.142.140.204 (talk) 19:34, 11 May 2009 (UTC)Patrick Delahanty

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Hopalong Cassidy and William Boyd were major figures in mid century America's cultural life. Boyd was on the cover of Time Magazine in 1950, at a time when it was probably easier to win an Oscar. This article only scratches the surface of the Hoppy craze. Roy Rogers, in 1977, had a final hit song about what he, Autry and Hopalong Cassidy had meant to the babyboomer generation, "Hoppy, Gene and Me." Can't quote it all without violating copyright. "It seems like only yesterday that we rode the range together... Then, you grew up and drifted on, but I know that you remember...We taught you how to shoot straight / ... Hoppy, Gene and Me." Profhum (talk) 22:14, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Name suggested by Butch Cassidy?

    Wikipedia presents generally accepted knowledge (and not OR). It is generally accepted knowledge that Butch Cassidy was well-known early in the decade of the 1900s, and likewise that Hopalong Cassidy was invented in 1904. Now, common sense tells you that the author consciously or unconsciously chose the surname bcz Butch's press made it suggest adventure and/or the West, but common sense is different from generally accepted knowledge; in this case one reason for that is that many people don't even know both of those facts, and even a lot who do haven't thot about them "in the same breath", and thus don't have any opinion to that effect. Another thing that keeps that common sense from constituting generally accepted knowledge is that common sense is unreliable: even in areas where it works fairly well, too much of it is wrong to lump anything with the things we know well enuf to stake money or personal safety on them, or even to say to someone who dares to suggest a particular piece of common sense is false, "Get serious, both you and i know better, and i don't care why you're insisting otherwise."
    I'm going to add to the article

(At the time Mulford published the novel, the name of the historical American outlaw Butch Cassidy had been before readers of newspapers in recent years.)

IMO, this is not the kind of insinuation that SYNTH is meant to prohibit, largely bcz SYNTH is aimed primarily at PoV. If, however, there is objection on SYNTH grounds to that insertion, i will defer to the objecting colleagues.
    What concerns me most about this matter is actually that my edit not encourage a crucial tweaking of it: i anticipate some editors may wish to add to that insertion what is so far my own opinion: that no one knows whether Mulford's choice was more than a coincidence. Occasionally editors say "It is not known whether ...", and presumably are comfortable with leaving that unfootnoted, since "you can't prove a negative". Well, that impediment is irrelevant; the question is no more or less than whether the idea that it is not known is part of generally accepted knowledge or not. I not only couldn't find out whether i was right in believing he intended it, i also couldn't find any evidence that anyone but i has wondered about it! If you aren't comfortable with our just mentioning the timing, as i suggest, you can either argue for removing it, or surpass my efforts and do the research necessary to show that an influential literary critic or popular-culture historian has brought to bear the skills in their profession that i lack, and concluded something like "We will probably never know if he ...." Then, even if that authority is wrong, we would have grounds for stating in effect that generally accepted knowledge is that no one knows what he intended; that kind of reference is what such a statement requires.
--Jerzy•t 07:07, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Bar-20 novels

Not all of Mulford's Hopalong Cassidy novels are "based on" the character. It would be more-correct to say they revolve around the Bar-20 ranch and its employees. For example, "Tex" features Tex Ewalt and his attempts to clean up a corrupt town. (Readers should be warned that Mulford writes as if he's being paid by the word, so be prepared for some literary logorrhea.) WilliamSommerwerck (talk) 11:55, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

¶ Mulford's books and stories certainly have gotten short shrift here and everywhere. This article devotes nearly all of its attention to the William Boyd films and TV shows - a reasonable inclusion considering its cultural impact but I would Very Much like to know more of the character created in Mulford's books and his adventures. For all I know, the movie Hopalong might be as completely unlike his literary inspiration as the TV Cisco Kid was unlike the psychopathic backshooter created by O. Henry. Sussmanbern (talk) 01:37, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Television and Radio

would be nice if it actually mentioned the radio show — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.183.23.86 (talk) 16:11, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Date of creation

The article currently says that Mulford created HC in 1904, but with no ref. or clarification of "created." Nevins's biography of Mulford says that his first -written Bar-20 story was "The Fight at Buckskin, which he wrote between "April 7 and 20, 1904," but which was first published in December 1905 (Nevins, Francis M., Jr., 1993, Bar-20: The Life of Clarence E. Mulford...", p. 3). This could have included HC, who was a Bar-20 character, but I haven't read the story, so I don't know. So, if "created" means wrote, it seems that the year is 1904; if it means published, then it is definitely 1905. Kdammers (talk) 04:23, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Number of Mulford HC novels

Yes, Mulford wrote 28 Westerns. How-ever, not all of them were focused on or even included HC. Better a weasel word than an inaccuracy. Kdammers (talk) 04:30, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

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Opening sentence

The first sentence of the article currently reads "Hopalong Cassidy or Hop-along Cassidy is believed to be a fictional cowboy hero..." That doesn't make any sense. The existence of a fictional character named Hopalong Cassidy is a fact, not a matter of faith. If this is supposed to be an implication that the character was real, it needs to be reworded and sourced. Jah77 (talk) 18:58, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

@Jah77: I came here to say the same thing, but the article never states that the character may have been based on a real person. I'll change that. —howcheng {chat} 18:11, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

OK, here's what happened. An anonymous user did this edit which introduced the notion that Cassidy may have been based on a friend of the author (unsourced, of course), and then part of that was removed but that person left the very beginning of the article intact. —howcheng {chat} 18:38, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Home Video Release

The "Radio and Television" section and the "DVD Release" section contradict one another as to when and what Hopalong Cassidy productions have been released. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:4070:6240:AD96:36A4:B9C2:E26C (talk) 13:23, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Popular Culture

The character is briefly mentioned at the beginning of the movie Fletch. 174.27.95.69 (talk) 05:43, 1 January 2023 (UTC)