Talk:Hydraulophone

Redundancy

The taxonomic "relationship" section appears to be redundant with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_instrument_classification — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.114.173.10 (talk) 19:05, 17 September 2007

Clarification of how it works

THis article needs clarifiaction. There is no clear explanation of how the instrument works. 69.230.184.199 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 09:16, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Strongly agree. The principle of sound generation for this instrument is essential, but is completely missing in the article. --Cruncher (talk) 23:23, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

The instrument is composed of the control apparatus and sound generators. The control contains holes emitting jets of water. The sound generators may operate directly from the control fluids, or receive amplified input. When someone wishes to produce sound from the generators, they impede the water jets, which changes the pressure inside the device. The causes a displacement of fluid which may be recorded (or physically captured) from a second, internal opening. The sound produced depends on how the fluid is measured over time.

There's a few diagrams and an explanation from Mann himself at http://wearcam.org/acmmm2006presement_as_published.pdf (no ACM membership required)

charlie liban (talk) 06:39, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Ah, the ACM paper is very helpful. Thanks! It seems that the term could mean two things:

1) A control interface as an alternative to a keyboard.

2) A sound production mechanism using water, for example a flow of water through a spinning disk with holes which make the flow pulsate and generate sound.

Ccrrccrr (talk) 22:35, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Electronic Synthesizer

All the Hydraulophone videos on youtube produce tone electronically, sounding like 80's synthesizer keyboards. Does anyone know if there's an [non-electronic] acoustic Hydraulophone ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.138.64.39 (talk) 05:11, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't think that is correct--they produce sound as described in the article, using tone wheels, not electronic synthesizers. The sound is similar, but that's just a coincidence. The electricity pumps the water and spins the tonewheel. Ccrrccrr (talk) 21:25, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

It is a good question. Once I had the same. Accorging to ACM proceeding cited in reference section:

Mann, S. Hydraulophone design considerations: absement, displacement, and velocity-sensitive music keyboard in which each key is a water jet, International Multimedia Conference archive, Proceedings of 14th annual ACM international conference on Multimedia, Pp 519-528, Santa Barbara, CA, USA

Hydraulophone seems to be a series of various musical instruments using water in some parts, and these seems to employ various sound generating systems including electronics- and acoustic-. Especially in acoustic-Hydraulophone, all sound generating systems used on conventional organs seems to be researched and implemented with water. i.e. water pipe organ, water tonewheel organ, etc. --122.17.196.138 (talk) 11:58, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Classification

The classification of musical instruments based on elements (water, earth, fire, etc.) is really a bit of a goof, isn't it? It probably should be pulled from the article (since it isn't really a serious, authoritative classification). Simenzo (talk) 11:44, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, although insofar as the whole thing is kind of a game, that's part of the game. But it should be reported as part of the game.Ccrrccrr (talk) 22:26, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Actually, it's not a bad idea, coming from an organologist.... I would change one thing however: Aerophone describes the action, and is used in the H-B methodology, and is repeated here in the 'Physics-based' description; meaning sound created by air. Change that to Aeolophone (sound created by wind - the movement of air), and I think you might have a winner here! NDCompuGeek (talk) 19:09, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Aeolian tones specifically refer to Karman Vortex Shedding on a cylindrical body, at least that's how the Greeks and Romans used the term, i.e. the wind blowing across cylindrical structural columns of a building or temple or the like.

So aeolophonic would be a proper subset of aerophonic in which the tones come from vibrations in gas alone, without necessarily the aid of a resonant pipe, chamber, or the like.

Accordingly the taxonomy should still be something like this:

solid: gaiaphonic;
liquid: hydraulophonic;
gas: aerophonic.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.150.236.142 (talk) 22:07, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

The entire section is nonsense. "Traditionally the orchestra is divided into three sections, strings, percussion, and wind. With strings and percussion instruments, the sound is produced by matter in its solid state, as for example, with a piano (which is both a string and a percussion instrument). With wind instruments sound is produced by matter in its gaseous state." The Orchestra is generally divided into strings, wind, brass and percussion and all work by vibrating air through moving, solid parts. The image is complete nonsense, what is an "electrophone" and how does it work outside of physics? And how does it not work using electrones as in the preceding category? The whole section is absurd and needs to be removed. 2003:4C:6D45:BBB2:DD16:84DF:5F75:82A7 (talk) 22:40, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

The section about "absement" is nonsense too, see https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Talk:absement Cgwaldman (talk) 17:56, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Manufacturers section and external links

Should we even have this? I'm going to take out the WP:ELNO external links here and in rest of the article, but I'm not sure the manufacturers section itself belongs. I'm a newbie, so I'm happy to stand corrected. Probability amplitude (talk) 02:27, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

I'm going to be bold and remove the section. That's what web searches are for anyway. Probability amplitude (talk) 12:35, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Waterflute

Waterflute redirects here and should appear in boldface (MOS:BOLDSYN) with an explanation, but appears nowhere in the article except in an image caption.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  19:54, 27 June 2018 (UTC)