Talk:INS Vikrant (1961)

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Copyright violation

This article is similar word by word to http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/india/r-vikrant.htm Patrick Rogel (talk) 12:26, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

World War II Carrier Comment

List of British WW-II carriers is here.

• HMS Indomitable (92) - Scrapped
• HMS Eagle (1918) - Sunk
• HMS Hermes (95) - Sunk
• HMS Ark Royal (1914) - Scrapped
• HMS Implacable (R86) - Scrapped
• HMS Indefatigable (R10) - Scrapped
• HMS Unicorn (I72) - Scrapped
• Illustrious class aircraft carriers - All scrapped
• Audacious class aircraft carriers - Cancelled, sunk
• Colossus class aircraft carriers - All broken up
• Centaur class aircraft carriers - All scrapped, EXCEPT for INS Viraat, formerly HMS Hermes, also being run by the Indian Navy. However, she wasn't a WW-II era carrier as she wasn't commissioned till 1959.

Among the Majestic class aircraft carriers, Vikrant is the only one to still be in her original shape (The Majestic is said to have been taken apart and her deck is being used to train Chinese pilots).

SO.... This statement is accurate as per the data on Wikipedia.

Well, Viraat was laid down on 21 June 1944 and although she certainly did not serve during WWII, the design was largely that of a WWII carrier. I would put it in much the same category as HMAS Melbourne which also was modified during the completion of construction after the war and did not enter service until 1955. She was always regarded nevertheless as a WWII era carrier and I think it is at least arguable that Viraat is one too, unless one takes a very narrow view of what a "WWII era" carrier is. Also, remember that Vikrant herself was incomplete at the end of the war and was also modified during completion and not commissioned until 1961. In fact if we are to consider Vikrant to be a WWII era ship then surely must we consider Viraat to be one also. Of course if India breaks Viraat up after she ends her long service life, then the claim stands, but until then I think not. However, she is the only WWII era British carrier to be preserved as a museum, since Viraat is still in service, so I have modified the article to reflect that. - Nick Thorne ^talk 10:24, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Vikrant-Bonaventure conspiracy and Naval Officers Association of Canada

The Naval Officers Association of Canada official website claims here http://www.noac-national.ca/article/varner/rumoursofasianaircraftcarriers_byjoevarner.html that the well maintained and recently refitted Bonaventure was quietly swapped for the worn out Indian carrier Vikrant in 1971 which was the ship actually scrapped, it quotes Halifax Herald reporter Mike Bembridge and Senator Forrestall who attempted to track down Bonaventure in Japan after it disappeared for two weeks only to reappear already partly disassembled where it was supposed to be scrapped. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.177.65.209 (talk) 09:53, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

See HMCS Bonaventure (CVL 22). Wikiain (talk) 23:37, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

This has just been deleted from this article. I would support keeping it – the current wording doesn't imply that they were swapped, merely that this very specific rumour exists. It is encyclopedic to record that and mention it in both articles. Andy Dingley (talk) 17:19, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

It's a fringe theory, and the sources aren't reliable. Leave it out of WP altogether. - BilCat (talk) 17:37, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

We cover fringe theories and ghost stories. We describe them as just that. Now I wouldn't rule out text changes to clarify this, but as I read the contested section, it claims no more than that. The source is entirely adequate to verify that the story is in circulation. We're not looking to verify that they were swapped (although such content would be welcome).

I'm assuming that much of this story arose because someone took a photo showing that the davits on Vikrant II were the wrong shape but matched Bonaventure or somesuch. It would be nice to get a copy of that, or whatever it is. Andy Dingley (talk) 18:10, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, but the source used does not meet the qualification of a reliable source. It just rehashes a rumor, and the origianl site doesn't apprear to even exist anymore. It should stay out until it can be sourced to one that does meet WP:RS. Searching for photos to show why we think the story exists is basically original research. What is needed is a reliable source that has done the research already. - BilCat (talk) 18:55, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Gender change

Hercules and Vikrant both are masculine/manly names and not feminine. request you to change the pronoun from "She" to " It " from wikipedia pages.

Regards

Vikrant Uprit — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.199.104.130 (talk) 07:51, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

In English ships are usually referred as feminine, regardless of their name. Hence the use of "she". Regards, DPdH (talk) 10:45, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Museum ship or scrapped?

The article contradicts itself; in the introductory paragraph says that it is preserved as a museum ship, however in the relevant section says it has been put for auction and was sold for scrapping. Can anyone please confirm which is the fate of this ship, and amend the article accordingly? Thanks & regards, DPdH (talk) 10:42, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

A-class assesment

@Sturmvogel 66: I am not aware of WP Belfast, but WP:INDIA considers "A-class". Back in time, the project used to assign A-class by an internal peer view, similar to MILHIS's A-class review. Though the internal review is now inactive, the class is still considered to be valid in the project. See List of India A-class articles. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 14:32, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

OK, I didn't think that they had an A-class system at all.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 15:57, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

@Sturmvogel 66: Shall I update the class now? Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 04:45, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Sure.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 04:47, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Unconventional Ship

[...] propeller revolutions to 120 RPM at the bow [...]

The ship had propellers at the bow? I seriously doubt that. -- 217.248.24.182 (talk) 11:21, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

@217.248.24.182: Thanks for pointing out, corrected. --Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 11:49, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

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Specifications after modernization programs?

INS Vikrant (R11) was modified quite extensively several times, including, as noted in the article, even before it was commissioned into Indian Navy service. As far as I'm aware, the specifications shown are based on the original wartime design. I am curious how the specifications were affected by the various modernization programs: I would imagine that the displacement remained at 16,000t standard even after the addition of the angled flight deck, for example. The modernization programs in 1979 and 1987 probably changed a lot of things (I seem to remember Indian navy people opposing the ship's retirement because of all the costly changes made in late 1980s). More details on what these programs involved would be very helpful! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.93.91.225 (talk) 17:04, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

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