Talk:I Am Frankie

Spacing of ellipsis

The spacing of ellipsis is inconsistent among sources, Zap2it spaces them on both sides while Amazon and iTunes don't space them on either side. But I think this is just a minor stylistic issue like the capitalization which we change according to MOS:CT, and even though this would be doing something that neither of them are doing, I'd suggest spacing only on the left side (e.g.: "I Am... a Gaines"), like the usual convention for ellipsis. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nyuszika7H (talk • contribs) 11:17, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

@Nyuszika7H: I'd be on board with changing this. We should probably do the same with one of the School of Rock episodes on List of School of Rock episodes. I think that's the only other show that has a title like that. Amaury (talk | contribs) 13:15, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Credit for PEGS1

If I recall correctly, earlier at List of Mighty Med episodes, we settled on "the voice of the Annihilator" even though the original credits say something like "(The) Voice of The Annihilator", so I think the same should be applied here. I believe "the voice of PEGS1" (maybe put quotes around its name) would be appropriate here. nyuszika7h (talk) 11:23, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

@Nyuszika7H: I very vaguely remember that discussion, wherever it took place. (Was it on Geraldo's talk page?) This one is tricky, though, since the general process is, well, "names per credits." And over on Descendants 2, at least IJBall and myself have been reverting changes to that voice credit for that reason. Geraldo Perez, IJBall, thoughts? Amaury (talk | contribs) 13:15, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

@IJBall: I'm a bit late with this reply, but I don't quite understand some of your logic. The on-screen credit is Voice of "PEGS1". You changed it to the "voice of PEGS1", then when I changed it to the voice of "PEGS1", you changed it back to the Voice of "PEGS1". It makes no sense to put the whole thing in quotes and use that as justification for lowercasing voice. It's quite the opposite, if lowercasing is considered at all, it would be in the non-quoted form, as quoting would imply literally as in the credits, though that's unnecessary. Anyway, technically we already modify it slightly by adding the, so lowercasing a common noun that's obviously only capitalized because they capitalize all credits doesn't make much sense. The other option is removing the but that would make it even more awkward in a prose-formatted list. In a table, listing Voice of "PEGS1" as the role would be fine as-is. nyuszika7h (talk) 17:51, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

I think killing the "the" is the best option then. But I'm basically in the camp that thinks it should exactly duplicate what is in the credits, right down the capitalization. IOW, do it exactly the same as the source. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:58, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Trey Sartorius

Me being "conned" is rather irrelevant, IJBall if it is accurate information. The official social media account shows that the person is in the show. A sockpuppet doesn't change that. Even if it was a sockpuppet, we do want to have accurate info on our articles right? --Majora (talk) 23:37, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

@Majora: No, it is relevant. As in – it is fraudulent. Please see WP:SPI and search for Trey Sartorious. Pinging Geraldo Perez, as he can fill you in on more details about how this socker has manipulated IMDb and other social media to create a fraudulent resume. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:39, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

Which is why I denied using IMDb as a source. Which is why I found an officially tagged social media account to verify the information. I'm all for putting the socks back in the drawer. But I also want to have accurate information. --Majora (talk) 23:41, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

Just wait for Geraldo Perez's explanation, please. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:44, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

There is an official (first-party) source confirming he is a cast member. Not sure what else is needed to be listed. I don't see how any Wikipedia user drama (SPI) may change that fact. (t) Josve05a (c) 23:48, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

Because this guy's M.O. is to manipulate social media, etc. to create a fake resume. There is zero reason to believe that this is anything other than another fraudulent attempt to add his name to the cast of a show. Certainly not without independent secondary sourcing for it. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:00, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Oh I wasn't going to put it back. I'm not one to edit war over anything. It isn't in my nature to do so. I was just trying to help someone on the IRC -help channel. If I was duped I'd like to know that since it is more egg on my face than anything else. --Majora (talk) 23:50, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

I'm guessing this is the same thing on Henry Danger, Denniss? Since you reverted my edit without comment (not cool by the way). --Majora (talk) 00:09, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

It is a pure hoax. Henry Danger is also a target. The guy is trying to create a presence by adding his name to any gullible site and using the ones that get fooled as sources for adding it to other sites. For this show we have the actual episodes available with the actual credited cast. He isn't in the show and never will be. Has a page on IMDb and I did manage to convince IMDb that the shows he added his name were fraudulent credits. Hell he even got lead billing for a while on IMDb for "I Am Frankie" above Alex Hook. Still keeps it up, need to stop Wikipedia from falling for his scam. Excise on detection. Check IMDb and report him there when detected too. If he is showing up on social media sites that purport to be "official" they are being fooled, jokes on them. Geraldo Perez (talk) 00:12, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Add - He also creates sites https://www.pscp.tv/NickelodeonUK/1RDGlnLzXnrxL does not appear to be an official NickUK outlet even though it claims to be. What is NickUK doing on pscp.tv. They are just copying his twitter feed anyway so hardly an official word his saying he is on the shows. Geraldo Perez (talk) 00:23, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

That Periscope account is connected to Nickelodeon (UK)'s Twitter account, and is therefore a verified account, since you would need access to their twitter account to create and access the Periscope (www.pscp.tv) account. (t) Josve05a (c) 00:49, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Still retweets of his twitter feed. Someone is being careless letting his crap through or following him. Geraldo Perez (talk) 00:53, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

@Geraldo Perez: I've been in talks with Nickelodeon UK who has confirmed there is no affiliation between them and Trey. They have also taken control over their Periscope account (and closed it) after I pointed the breach out to them. All well that ends well. (t) Josve05a (c) 20:48, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Well, that is what I get for trying to help someone. Ah well. Occupational hazard of the -help channel I guess. Thank you for the explanation and I'm sorry for causing trouble. --Majora (talk) 00:23, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Blame Trey Sartorius for being a pain in the ass fraudster. Lots of people get taken in, he is persistent, looks to be his goal to create some purposeful existence even if fake. He's back on IMDb again with lead billing on this show. Just reported him there, again. Geraldo Perez (talk) 00:41, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

I made a note in the helper channel on IRC regarding this. Hopefully other helpers don't fall for the same thing. Since they are probably going to be back. Thank you again for explaining it. --Majora (talk) 00:52, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

He's still at it. Whenever he hits this article it is worth checking the IMDb page for the show as well for variations of his name showing up as the lead character for all episodes past and future. Geraldo Perez (talk) 23:54, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Season Two

Anyone know when season two is gonna start? 70.56.145.199 (talk) 14:09, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

No officially announcements (yet). But, I think TeenNick is rerunning season #1 again, and based on season #1's airing schedule, this Fall would probably be a decent bet... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:13, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

You think? 70.56.145.199 (talk) 10:50, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Season two main cast/characters

Should probably wait and see what additional episodes do, but this is a series that credits their series main cast regardless of whether they appear or not as seen from the first episode of the first season and the rest of the season one episodes, unlike series like Boy Meets World, Nicky, Ricky, Dicky & Dawn, or School of Rock. Here is a screenshot from the end credits of "I Am... Eliza," which has two main points of interest: https://i.imgur.com/x3JbzRV.png

First point of interest is that we are missing the following cast/characters:

• Armani Barrett as Byron
• Jayce Mroz as Robbie
• Mark Jacobson as Voice of "PEGS1"

Have they been downgraded to recurring/guest starring? Who knows.

Second point of interest is that the actor credit for Mr. Kingston is shown as Kristi Beckett, who portrays Makayla, but that's probably just a typo.

Like I said, we should probably wait and see what further episodes do, but here's another screenshot from "I Am... a Sitting Duck" in season one, showing that everyone is credited despite not all appearing: https://i.imgur.com/XU4WQIq.png Just going ahead and getting this posted now. Amaury (talk | contribs) 09:22, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

I noticed several things. The show's opening is different – IOW, the people who are pictured around Frankie on the title screen are different than the ones in season #1. Byron's absence is very noticeable – I have no idea how they will explain his absence. But there are, I think, 3 or 4 new people there. Second, I'm looking right now – and note this is the credits supplied at the bottom of the screen directly from Nickelodeon, rather than the proper "end-credits" – and I'm seeing "Mr. Kingston – J.D. Ballard", so there's no issue there (i.e. at least one version of the credits is correct). Finally, for whatever reason, Alex Hook did not get an "...as Eliza" credit this time for the special – at least in the "Nick version" of the credits – which I thought was odd (glad to see that that is in there in the proper end-credits...). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 05:26, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

It seems pretty evident to me that, for unknown reasons, Byron, Robbie, and Voice of "PEGS1" were only season one characters, and it is my hypothesis that they were replaced by Rachel, Zane, and Simone. I'm going to go ahead and make the changes accordingly, but please feel free to revert me or bring up comments here if there are any other concerns. But we're now on the third episode, and they aren't being credited, and, like I said, this is a series that credits their regulars regardless of whether or not they appear, as is evident by, for example, James being credited, but not appearing yet in the second season. The new characters have been added to the credits as they appeared, but from here on out, they'll be credited regardless. Amaury (talk | contribs) 00:50, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Zane – Conflicting actor credits

We have a conflict here, and I'm not sure how to handle it. The proper end credits for "I Am... Planning an Escape" have Zachary Williams, but the proper end credits for "I Am... Taking a Break" have Zachary S. Williams. Which one should we list? Amaury (talk | contribs) 00:34, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Probably the latter... If these are the "proper" end credits, I'd also check the Nickelodeon version of the credits as well. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 01:47, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

@IJBall: The generic credits use Zachary S. Williams. Amaury (talk | contribs) 02:42, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Proper End Credits Crediting:

Episode	Credit
I Am... Eliza	N/A
I Am... Planning an Escape	Zachary Williams
I Am... Taking a Break	Zachary S. Williams
I Am... Buggin'	Zachary S. Williams
I Am... Compromised	Zachary S. Williams
I Am... Busting Out	Zachary S. Williams
I Am... Under Suspicion	TBA
I Am... Not Myself	TBA
I Am... Next	TBA
I Am... a Creature	TBA
I Am... an Android	TBA
I Am... Frankensteena	TBA
I Am... Part of a Plan	TBA
I Am... in Trouble with Mom	TBA
I Am... an Android... or Am I?	TBA
I Am... Jealous	TBA

Amaury (talk | contribs) 18:23, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Credits

For reference, here are screenshots of each episode's cast and guest stars (via proper end credits). Episodes are released on the Nickelodeon website the day after they air at 12:00 AM.

Special
I Am Frankie... the Download

Amaury (talk | contribs) 01:57, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

FTR, I would not include the stunt doubles... In general, only characters with "non-generic names" (i.e. with "actual" names, like Bob or Sophie) should be included, though this show is a little unusual in that "Sr. WARPA Tech" or "Engineer [Anderson]" can actually be an important recurring character. But we should draw the line at the stand-ins and stunt doubles (the only exceptions we've made for this in the past were the two stand-ins for Liv and Maddie who were regularly, and prominently, credited...). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:34, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

The thing is, like I mentioned at Talk:List of Liv and Maddie episodes#WTF, we include all guest stars regardless of their role. Bizaardvark, for example, has many roles like that, such as "The Collab" (S1 E5), though admittedly they weren't stunt doubles, but still. We already exclude those with co-starring and featuring credits—although in the latter's case, featuring is used in place of starring for Make It Pop, so that was an obvious exception. With guest stars, we can't just pick out who we think is important and who is not based solely on character/role names, as it's second-guessing the evaluations of the production team, which in turn is WP:OR, to paraphrase Geraldo's comment on the Liv and Maddie discussion, so we list all actors with a guest star or higher credit and exclude those with a co-star or lower credit. Almost all series don't even credit their stunt doubles, and if they do, they're co-stars at most; with I Am Frankie, similar to Liv and Maddie, it seems pretty evident that they contribute more to the series than mere stunt doubles, given their being credited as guest stars. Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:52, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

This show doesn't seem to have credits lower than guest star and roles such as "Girl in back of line" look really marginal in having any significant role in the episode. We go with what the producers indicate, generally, but this is stretching credibility on the assumption they actually are differentiating actors by importance of role in this series and list everyone who isn't a star or background as a guest star. Maybe we should put the cut point for this series at the starring list and ignore guest stars. Needs consensus for that, of course. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:04, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

I would of course prefer to keep the guest stars, so if it means removing most of the generic "guest stars," I would have no problem with that. In fact, since there's now already enough consensus for that, I can go ahead and take care of that part. We would of course not remove ones like the WARPA Techs as those are major characters, they just don't have proper names. And I guess it would be weird to have someone like Chris Bogdanski as Andrew Stunt Double listed under Recurring here, as one more "appearance" from him would give him a total of five "appearances," thereby making him eligible. Amaury (talk | contribs) 17:12, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Easy "cut point": a speaking role. The stunts clearly don't have "speaking roles" and can be cut. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:19, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

@Geraldo Perez and IJBall:  Done. Please thoroughly go through this and make sure I didn't remove somebody I shouldn't have or I should have removed somebody I didn't. Amaury (talk | contribs) 17:26, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

I think the DJ for the "dance" episodes did have a speaking part (though I'd have to check)... The others I glanced at looked fine to remove. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:31, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

@IJBall: Re-added. Still being fresh in my mind, I remember he talked in "I Am... Eliza" when Dayton was talking to him about, I think, the wi-fi. Amaury (talk | contribs) 17:35, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Ame Livinston as Head Judge was a significant speaking role in that episode per my memory. Rest look OK. Any role with a digit in it always looks suspiciously generic. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:47, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Agreed. The only exception seems to be David Kelley, as, from memory, his character was the one trying to kidnap Frankie/Andrew. Appeared six times, though for some reason, in two of those appearances, he was credited as WARPA Agent 1. Otherwise, it was WARPA Agent. Amaury (talk | contribs) 17:59, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

I think he does qualify as "recurring". (I could swear he was referred to as "Agent Smith" at one point, but maybe I'm just making that up!!) I'm actually disappointed that he hasn't shown up in season #2... (I'm similarly disappointed that they dropped PEGS1 too.) --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:37, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 May 2019

Replace "present" in last aired to show by date|2019|10|5|present| October 5, 2018 (2018-10-05) 114.76.94.14 (talk) 21:52, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

 Not done There has been no "official" word on the fate of the show, and you have provided no sourcing to back up the change you want. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:10, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 September 2019

Replace "present" in last aired to show by date|2019|10|4|present| October 4, 2018 114.76.94.14 (talk) 22:07, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

 Not done No. Amaury • 22:09, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Justin Jarzombek Typo

I'm placing this one here in case anyone has any objections regarding the "Justin Jarzombek" typo back-and-forth edits. Although he was credited as "Justin Jarzombeck" in his first episode, this is an obvious typo on the show's part which was corrected soon after, and shouldn't be used to justify misspelling the actor's name. Although there are genuine cases where a credited name is intentionally changed - in which case WP:COMMONNAME would still be acceptable - this is an obvious case of misspelling. If it's important to mention the misspelled name, you can do a note but that's just WP:UNDUEWEIGHT to me.— Starforce¹³ 21:38, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Requesting edit for the final date.

Alex Hook and Nicole Alyse Nelson both said on their twitter about the ending of I am Frankie. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SoyokoAnis (talk • contribs) 22:04, 17 November 2020 (UTC)