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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 11:56, 17 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

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Fabrizio Dori
  • ... that by setting the story of Il dio vagabondo at the margins of society, the comics artist Fabrizio Dori (pictured) meant to parallel a marginalisation of the ancient Greek root of Western culture? Source: "Mon idée, c'était de traiter des personnages aux marges. C'est pour cela que je les ai situés en dehors de la cité, qui est toujours au loin. La cité, c'est le lieu de la vie humaine et tous mes personnages sont en marge de cette vie. ... La culture occidentale a deux racines : la grecque et la chrétienne, mais celle qui a gagné le combat culturel c'est celle de la chrétienté, ce qui fait donc que la culture de la grécité, est, elle aussi, aux marges." [My idea was to deal with characters on the margins. This is why I located them at the outskirts of the city, which always is distant. The city is the location of human life and all my characters are on the margin of this life. ... Western culture has two roots: the Greek and the Christian, but the one that won the cultural battle is that of Christianity, which therefore means that Grecian culture also is on the margins.] France Culture

Created by Ffranc (talk). Self-nominated at 14:17, 5 March 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Fabrizio Dori; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply

 -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:26, 15 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
  sorry-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:04, 16 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
It was nominated before 8 March, so it's not necessary. It has already been promoted so I'm just putting this here for documentation. Ffranc (talk) 14:17, 17 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

GA Review

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Latest comment: 7 months ago18 comments2 people in discussion
Passed. All the Best! Otuọcha (talk) 14:22, 24 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

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Nominator: Ffranc (talk · contribs)

Reviewer: Otuọcha (talk · contribs) 23:45, 21 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

It's wonderful and I approved to review this article. I am relatively a new user though I understood and have read almost if not all about editing and reviewing. This is also my first review and hope that I will do my best. I am happy to be reviewing this article and will ask almost in some basis. I also have a good knowledge of English language. I will be enquiring and be instructing on a better way which you can also agree or not agree with clear reason. Please do mark done, fixed or working at the end of any of my reviewing question and suggestion by placing ** under mine. I will mark done to generally accepted ones (e.g: the edit warring before adding to the "GAHybrid" down;

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Criteria: 1a. prose ( ) 1b. MoS ( ) 2a. ref layout ( ) 2b. cites WP:RS ( ) 2c. no WP:OR ( ) 2d. no WP:CV ( )
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PROSE

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Lead

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  • This part of the Lead said: ...is the third comic book by the Italian writer and artist Fabrizio Dori, published by Oblomov Edizioni in 2018. It was Dori's third comic book.: its just an additional split. Can be fixed to the first sentence on blue as here?All the Best! Otuọcha (talk) 01:12, 22 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
    • Done
  • Here in the lead also: Dori's influences include Friedrich Hölderlin, whose poem "Bread and Wine [de]" is quoted in the book: It gave more emphasis on the creator and I will suggest notability shouldn't be inherited from the creator. To be broad, I suggest this or related: The book was influenced by "Bread and Wine", a poem by Friedrich Hölderlin which was also quoted in it.All the Best! Otuọcha (talk) 01:12, 22 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
    • Done

Background

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  • I am not fine with this source three. Skeptical of the "podcast journal" being relaible; the author is a contributor and it's an interview which per WP:INTERVIEW is not a source: Can find another source from a reliable one? All the Best! Otuọcha (talk) 01:19, 22 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
    • The podcast interview should be fine per WP:INTERVIEW and WP:PRIMARY. The interviewer and editor-in-chief are mainstream journalists. It's used to support what Fabrizio Dori says about his influences, intentions and techniques, which is reliable and relevant info when it comes from him. It's the most initiated source I've found about this and it confirms several things that reviewers only make guesses about. I added another in-line attribution.
  • The background was a bit clustered with irrelevant. It centered more on the creator than the work. I am also not satisfied with the source1. Though it came from a reliable source but it's not a meet to notability: from Fabrizio Dori was educated at the Brera Academy ... to Paul Gauguin is a borderline. Source 2 have more information about the background: I suggest the above be removed with a few just about his painting which draws towards the "creation"All the Best! Otuọcha (talk) 01:30, 22 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
    • I removed info about his education and only kept the titles and years of the other books. Interviews are allowed as sources, as long as it is done carefully. We can't use them as sources for credentials or reception, but that is not the case here.

Plot

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Techniques and themes

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Grammar

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  • Dori names Friedrich Hölderlin as an influence and Hölderlin's poem "Bread and Wine [de]" is quoted in Il dio vagabondo.: falls not neutral. Best fit: Il dio vagabondo was named after Friedrich Hölderlin's poem "Bread and Wine"–No need of including influence#repetition of "Background". All the Best! Otuọcha (talk) 02:24, 22 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
    • I shortened it down, but the title does not come from the poem. Some lines from the poem are just quoted inside the book.

Reference

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  • And the citation 4 is also an interview. Please find another source! All the Best! Otuọcha (talk) 02:27, 22 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
    • The interview with Dori is used for relevant info about his own influences, so it's within what WP:INTERVIEW allows. It's more reliable than a secondary source would be here.

Publication

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Reception

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  • Tonio Troiani of Fumettologica called Il dio vagabondo an improvement from Gauguin: The Other World, because it manages to be a solid work without being disturbed by its technical refinement and many references. Troiani wrote that it combines Dori's three passions—art, classicism and pop—and retains a lightness despite its postmodern games, resulting in a comic that recalls the works of Hayao Miyazaki and Baru [fr; it].[2] Troiani wrote that its treatment of divine beings and modernity is reminiscent of Neil Gaiman's American Gods and Martin Heidegger's theology in the interview "Only a God Can Save Us: can be made clear. I am not in support of the spreading writing (segmental even). Just pick the major acclaim for the book.
    • Tonio Troiani reviewing/writing for Fumettologica called the book, an improvement from Gauguin: The Other World.He wrote that the book manages to be a solid work without being disturbed by its technical refinement and many references. He wrote that it combines Dori's three passions; art, classicism and pop and still retains lightness despite its postmodern games, resulting in a comic that recalls the works of Hayao Miyazaki and Baru [fr; it]. He also praised the book as a reminiscent of Neil Gaiman's American Gods and Martin Heidegger's Only a God Can Save Us (you can copy this one. All the Best! Otuọcha (talk) 03:19, 22 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
      • Done

STABILITY

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Image review

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  • The image of the poet is fine but can there be another image, maybe of the poem? If not, it's well just the caption. Change Friedrich Hölderlin's poem "Bread and Wine" from 1801 is quoted in the book to Title originated from "Bread and Wine", a poem by Friedrich Hölderlin
 
Some lines from Friedrich Hölderlin's poem "Bread and Wine" are quoted in the book.

Thundering they approach. And meanwhile it seems to me often
Better to sleep than as now to be so companionless,
Waiting like this; and what’s to do and to say in the meantime
I do not know, and what poets are for when times are hard.
Yet they are, you say, like the holy priests of the wine-god,
Moving from land to land, on through the holy night."

— Quoted lines from "Bread and Wine",
English interpretation by Susan Ranson [1]
  • The book is not named after the poem; see above. I don't know about having the poem as a picture. I tested using {{stack}} and {{poem quote}}, but it becomes too crammed and too much.

Critical assessment

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  • You seemed to be using a default of present tense while the book was published in 2018. Please fix the places and do ask to map out.All the Best! Otuọcha (talk) 02:36, 22 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
    • Not sure what you mean here. Should I change the tense somewhere?
  • There is case of copy Vio from this report by a detector. Marking pass.
    •   Done

References: general layout

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  • I am doubtful of using sources from Amazon like you did in source 9, 11, 12 and 13. Please change to a better source or even remove when none is found. All the Best! Otuọcha (talk) 02:46, 22 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
    • WP:RSPAMAZON says: "Amazon is a reliable source for basic information about a work (such as release date, ISBN, etc.)" It's used here for release dates, and since it's the only English-language source I could find, it's preferable per WP:RSUEC.

Thank you for the review, Otuọcha. I have addressed each of the points above to the best of my capability. Ffranc (talk) 15:00, 23 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Special note

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  • I have checked the images and they all beat good ones and (alt): just a suggestion.
  • Well written
  • The ref layout was super and per review above, the Amazon link is cited well. No fault.
  • It's broad and focused on the book
  • No issue of WP:NPOV
  • No Copyvio, checked per copyvio detector
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