Talk:Immortal (Michael Jackson album)

Hello everyone I changed the Recored part to 1969 - 2009 since the album contains (I Like) The Way You Love Me which was released on the 2010 album "Michael" and The Way You Love Me was first released in 2004 as a demo and MJ could have worked on it from 2004 - 2009 since the final version was released in 2010 we really don't know the last time MJ added vocals to the track so I think we should keep it as 1969-2009.

Also in the edit comment I meant 2009 not 2010 sorry about that. --ADKIc3mAnX (talk) 00:52, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Producer section

Hello everyone just letting you all know that on album credits Michael Jackson will appear as Producer since he produced the original tracks, Kevin Antunes will be credited as co producer --ADKIc3mAnX (talk) 18:01, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Track Listing from Amazon.de which is different from the official site

http://www.amazon.de/Immortal-Michael-Jackson/dp/tracks/B005R4255C

Disk: 1 1. Workin' Day And Night - Immortal Version 2. I'll Be There 3. Childhood - Immortal Version 4. Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' - Immortal Version 5. Shake Your Body (Down To The Ground) - Immortal Version - Jacksons, The 6. Why You Wanna Trip On Me 7. Ben - Immortal Version 8. This Place Hotel - Immortal Version 9. Smooth Criminal - Immortal Version 10. In The Closet 11. Hollywood Tonight 12. The Love You Save - Jackson 5, The 13. Human Nature 14. Monster 15. Thriller - Immortal Version

Disk: 2 1. Remember The Time 2. State Of Shock 3. Jam - Immortal Version 4. Earth Song 5. Little Susie 6. Gone Too Soon - Main Song 7. Privacy 8. Will You Be There - Immortal Version 9. I'll Be There - Immortal Version - Jackson 5, The 10. Black Or White 11. Man In The Mirror - Immortal Version 12. Bad

Parabola1999 (talk) 01:15, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Here's the official track listing by Sony and Epic Records

Regular version tracks: 1. Working Day and Night (Immortal Version) 2. The Immortal Intro (Immortal Version) 3. Childhood (Immortal Version) 4. Wanna Be Starting Something (Immortal Version) 5. Dancing Machine/Blame It On The Boogie (Immortal Version) 6. This Place Hotel/Smooth Criminal/Dangerous (Immortal Version) 7. J5 Medley: I Want You Back/ABC/The Love You Save (Immortal Version) 8. Human Nature/Speechless (Immortal Version) 9. Is It Scary/Thriller/Ghost/Somebody's Watching Me (Immortal Version) 10. You Are Not Alone/I Just Can't Stop Loving You (Immortal Version) 11. Beat It/Jam/State Of Shock (Immortal Version) 12. Earth Song/Planet Earth Poem (Immortal Version) 13. They Don't Really Care About Us/Tabloid Junkie (Immortal Version) 14. Immortal Mega mix: Don't Stop Til You Get Enough/Billie Jean (Immortal Version) 15. Man In The Mirror (Immortal Version)

Deluxe edition tracks: 1. Working Day and Night (Immortal Version) 2. The Immortal Intro (Immortal Version) 3. Childhood (Immortal Version) 4. Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' (Immortal Version) 5. Shake Your Body Down To The Ground (Immortal Version) 6. Dancing Machine/Blame It On The Boogie (Immortal Version) 7. Ben (Immortal Version) 8. This Place Hotel/Smooth Criminal/Dangerous (Immortal Version) 9. The Mime Segment: I Like The Way/Speed Demon/Another Part Of Me (Immortal Version) 10. J5 Medley: I Want You Back/ABC/The Love You Save (Immortal Version) 11. Human Nature/Speechless (Immortal Version) 12. Is It Scary/Thriller/Ghost/Somebody's Watching Me/Threatened (Immortal Version) 13. You Are Not Alone/I Just Can't Stop Loving You (Immortal Version) 14. Beat It/Jam/State Of Shock (Immortal Version) 15. Earth Song/Planet Earth (Immortal Version) 16. Scream/Little Susie (Immortal Version) 17. Gone Too Soon (Immortal Version) 18. They Don't Care About Us (Immortal Version) 19. I'll Be There (Immortal Version) 20. Immortal Megamix: Can You Feel It/Don't Stop Til You Get Enough/Billie Jean/Black Or White (Immortal Version) 21. Man In The Mirror (Immortal Version) 22. Remember The Time/Bad (Immortal Version)

That comes from Sony and Epic Records Official site

--ADKIc3mAnX (talk) 02:22, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

The section looks great, good work. Meatsgains (talk) 02:33, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Immortal Megamix: Can You Feel It/Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough/Billie Jean/Black Or White (Immortal Version) Single or Not ?

I think it's a single but I might be wrong and I have asked Sony and the Michael Jackson Estate and I'm currently waiting for a response from them on Twitter & by Email.

Reason (s) why I think it's a single

1. If you purchase the song on iTunes it says this for the album "Immortal Megamix: Can You Feel It/Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough/Billie Jean/Black Or White (Immortal Version) (Single)"

More reasons will be added soon since I have to go now :)

--ADKIc3mAnX (talk) 22:08, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

New track (s) officially released today !

The Michael Jackson Estate released another track today Link to track info --ADKIc3mAnX (talk) 00:40, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

The Michael Jackson Estate released another track today Link to track info --ADKIc3mAnX (talk) 22:01, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

The Michael Jackson Estate released another track today Link to track info --ADKIc3mAnX (talk) 22:27, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

The Michael Jackson Estate released another track today Link to track info --ADKIc3mAnX (talk) 23:35, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

The Michael Jackson Estate released another track today Link to track info --ADKIc3mAnX (talk) 23:27, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Do not remove the Deluxe edition cover !

The cover does NOT violate anything since it's another cover for this album with more songs and the cover is available on iTunes, Amazon, ETC and can be found at the official Michael Jackson store. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ADKIc3mAnX (talk • contribs) 08:04, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi, I haven't reviewed the policies regarding the additional album cover (as I saw the other one was removed), but I did flag the file uploaded for WP:NFC, as it does violate the size policy for non-free images. Can you upload one that is a smaller size, similar to the original album cover? (Brent.austin (talk) 17:53, 3 December 2011 (UTC))

The one I just uploaded is a similar size as the one previously uploaded and it's the official one from the record label. --ADKIc3mAnX (talk) 19:58, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Ideally the image size is not to exceed 0.1 megapixels. I've uploaded a smaller version per WP:NFC.

Thanks for fixing it --ADKIc3mAnX (talk) 21:47, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Continuing the discussion from the note below in the "Version" capitalization thread, I believe Gabe19 has a point. In his edit summary (when removing the album cover) he included the link to WP:FUC, and quoted the policy 3.A. "Minimal usage. Multiple items of non-free content are not used if one item can convey equivalent significant information." Looking at the two album covers, the only differences in them are the color and subtle background changes. I'm not sure if these difference are significant enough to warrant including both. I'd like to see more discussion from other editors as well, as I'm not necessarily opposed to keeping nor removing it, but I certainly do understand where Gabe19 is coming from in reading the policy statement. (Brent.austin (talk) 11:06, 5 December 2011 (UTC))

The deluxe edition cover clearly violates WP:FUC as it states "Multiple items of non-free content are not used if one item can convey equivalent significant information." It's the same image and the same text just a different color, which is not enough to warrant its inclusion. I will be removing it once again, and the next time it is added back in, I will reporting it to the Edit Warring noticeboard and request this page be locked. I'm tired of stubborn editors who fail to follow policy. — Gabe 19 ^{(talk contribs)} 03:08, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

If Gabe19 keeps reverting this fix I will be reporting this person. --ADKIc3mAnX (talk) 05:17, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

I've just removed the image and protected the article for three days to allow for dispute resolution. While Gabe19 is correct in noting that the policy states that only one image should be used in cases like this (especially as the images are so similar and basically depict the same thing), you have both violated WP:3RR and could have been blocked. Please use this time to decide which version of the album covers should be used once the protection expires. If you'd like extra input on this discussion, I'd suggest seeking it at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Michael Jackson. Nick-D (talk) 10:20, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

So can we add the picture again since it's an ALTERNATIVE cover ? --ADKIc3mAnX (talk) 01:05, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

ADKIc3mAnX, can you please read WP:FUC and see why the deluxe cover was deleted. Nick-D is an administrator, and sees why I removed it, and removed it himself due to WP:FUC. — Gabe 19 ^{(talk contribs)} 03:51, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

As Gabe19 says, there doesn't seem to be any rationale for including both images given that they're essentially the same. Discuss here which one should be used. Nick-D (talk) 07:42, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Well for one it's a different image on the actual slipcase and it's an alternative cover. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ADKIc3mAnX (talk • contribs) 18:56, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

This is going to be the last time I respond to this old argument, you have been given enough reason as to why the image was removed, as I have pointed you to read WP:FUC about three or four times. If it is re-added after the lock expires, I will be reporting it again. — Gabe 19 ^{(talk contribs)} 00:14, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Not to drag this on any further, but I listed the issue on the WikiProjects Album page and there is further agreement that only one cover should be utilized due to copyrights. So, I also agree with the plan of action that only the original image should be utilized and the page should be locked again if the image is reinserted. Keraunoscopia summed it up nicely as well: "To answer your question, the deluxe edition can be conveyed in words: 'the deluxe album cover is a blue version' or similar. I don't immediately notice any other differences; therefore, minimal usage comes into play and only one cover can be allowed." (Brent.austin (talk) 01:53, 8 December 2011 (UTC))

What ever than I guess I will just leave this Wikipedia article because people that know this topic are not allowed to do anything. --ADKIc3mAnX (talk) 16:40, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Charts in A-B-C order please ?

I was thinking can someone please edit the charts to ABC order like the one for the 2010 release "Michael". --ADKIc3mAnX (talk) 01:16, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Every song on Michael Jackson's Immortal album say "Version" uppercased.

If you buy the album on any store like Amazon, iTunes, etc it will say Example: Is It Scary/Threatened (Immortal Version)

Link to the Immortal album on Amazon. --ADKIc3mAnX (talk) 21:45, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

The actual song titles differ according to which company you are purchasing the album from. For instance the song "Workin' Day and Night" (Deluxe Album) on Amazon says "Workin' Day And Night (Immortal Version)" whereas on iTunes it says "Workin' Day and Night. So, actually a couple of points can be made. First, Amazon doesn't list songs according to Wikipedia's Manual of Style that indicates how things should be capitalized. The example being the 'And' in "Workin' Day And Night" should not be capitalized. Secondly, this case also points out that two different sites list the same song with different song names. I think what that points out is that we need an official listing from Sony who actually released the record. If that can't be provided, then I recommend using the edits that were proposed by both Gabe19 and myself, as we are utilizing Wikipedia's standards, not standards from other sites. References include: WP:MOS, MOS:CAP, WP:ALBUMCAPS, and MOS:MUSIC. (Brent.austin (talk) 01:38, 5 December 2011 (UTC))

Well on the CD itself it says "(Immortal Version)" for all songs and Gabe19 just keeps removing the alternative cover which should remain added since it's part of the album. --ADKIc3mAnX (talk) 04:58, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

I looked up various albums on Wikipedia and found a consistent method of listing album names. The name of the song doesn't always include the "Immortal Version" as the song title according to sources, but is listed as a note in some instances. Further information for the method of using the template is here Template:Track_listing. I've updated the page to use the note feature. (Brent.austin (talk) 10:53, 5 December 2011 (UTC))

What's the point of "Track elements"?

If nobody can explain or justify this section, I'm gonna remove it... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.175.220.26 (talk) 23:17, 9 July 2012 (UTC)