Talk:Index of economics articles

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It would be extremely useful to be able to look at the links to and from all these articles as a group, to see where economics is referenced elsewhere in the wikipedia, and perhaps improve the links to be to more exact concepts, or more introductory ones, as appropriate.

Also, it would be even more useful just to look at the redirects and vocabulary of the articles as a whole, so that an economic glossary could be assembled.

That would help to put together a list of one-liner definitions, such as list of Islamic terms in Arabic is doing. That can't happen if we aren't sure which concepts are basic, and part of a defining vocabulary.

Yes, a short non-controversal definition one-liner for each would be valuable as this is a very difficult list to comprehend, and includes terms from many different theories, it being quite unclear how some of them really relate.

Removed from page as I'm not sure it's relevant:

It intersects necessarily with the list of ethics articles, as many economists accept that a theory of economics is also a theory of ethics, i.e. that economic values reflect to a large degree moral and social values. Religion also offers economic guidance, e.g. on usury, charity and zakat (one of the list of Islamic terms in Arabic, meaning "alms").

In general these moral and ethical arguments are contained in other lists, and should be minimized here unless they are in context of an economic mechanism or market system. Idiosyncratic views of individual economists should also be confined to the their biographies or articles on specific works - of economics, not say sociology. A complete biography of Karl Marx for instance would include both, and politics too, but his economic terms of art, e.g. means of production, surplus value are included in the list as below, as they were and are widely employed by other economists.

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Should we remove accounting, accounting reform, and growth accounting from this list? I vote : Yes, remove them.

No, all three are clearly economics topics, even if there is much complexity underneath them. Accounting must reflect some theory of what is owned and ownable, what is an asset, depreciation, which is mostly derived from economics.

If economics underlies and influences accounting as you rightly claim, then put a link to economics in the accounting page, not a link in the economics page to accounting. Economics also influences sports decisions, but that is no reason to include a link to sports on this page. If the criteria you use to determine what goes on this page is "the linked subject must be influenced by economics", you would have a long list indeed. My point stands.user:mydogategodshat

So does mine. The relationship is two-way: without accounting there are no numbers for economics to work from, so fundamental accounting distinctions are prior to economics. EofT

So you are no longer just arguing that economics influences accounting by providing it with theories of ownership.You are now arguing that it both influences accounting and is influenced by it. That is an improvement, but the list is still far too long. It would include things like voting patterns and legal decisions. Do you want to try a third arguement? user:mydogategodshat

Accounting reform changes those rules to better reflect new economics. Growth accounting likewise directly reflects a theory of economics and 'what is economic growth'. How can you pretend these are somehow part of some external neutral profession, that makes its own decisions about these matters? EofT

Nobody is claiming that accounting operates independently of economic concepts, principles, or practices. Obviously, many accounting concepts (particularly in management accounting) are borrowed from economic production theory. This has no bearing on whether accounting is a subset of economics and as such should be included as a subtopic of economics. My point still stands.user:mydogategodshat

As for list of ethics topics, I don't think that belongs here either. I agree that there are ethical considerations to business and economic decisions, like there are to all aspects of life. But does that mean we should include links to list of ethics topics in all articles. If we include the ethics link, we will have to include links to hundred of somewhat related topics like law, government, ect.user:mydogategodshat

The list of business ethics topics wih its new long name helps to simplify both this and the ethics topics list. Personally, I think that list of ethics topics, list of ecology topics, list of economics topics, and list of environment topics is the correct clustering, as it's foolish to imagine solving a problem in any of these areas without solving one in the others, if it's of big enough scale. Politics, finance, business, live in constraints imposed by an ecosystem, whether we like or not, whether we have to wait around to be forced to admit that or not (by declining ecosystems etc.) EofT

Nonsense. Ethics are the explicit, contract-like relationships between peers in a culture.

You are redefining ethics for your own purposes. Ethics is the principles or standards of human conducts, and the study of such principles. It is about good and bad behaviour. Not only is it not limited to contractual behaviour, it isn't even limited to interactions between people. Torturing a dog is unethical behaviour and it has nothing to do with contracts or even other people.user:mydogategodshat

Read ethics. And social contract. It's not "limited" but it does "include". And, torturing a dog is evil, and requires little or no study. In fact, to study it would be unethical, as that would mean letting it go on. The basis of ethics is paradox. EofT

Buyer and seller relationships are a subset of these. These are necessarily reflected in economics

Buyer and seller relationships are examples of types of human interactions, interactions that have ethical aspects to them. Virtualy all human interactions, not just economic ones, have ethical aspects to them. The ethical underpinnings of human behaviour are reflected in all the social sciences, including: in economics because of its role in the distribution of scarce resources, in political science because of its role in allocating power, in law because of its role in codifying ethical constucts, in criminology because of its role in rewarding ethical behaviour and discouraging unethical behaviour, in psychology because of its role in defining, understanding, and treating unethical behaviour ect. . . .user:mydogategodshat

"The ethical underpinnings of human behaviour are reflected in all the social sciences..." well I would like to believe that is true. I like it so much I'm going to put that text in ethics.

- read Amartya Sen or any other recent Swedish Bank Prize in Economic Sciences winner. Economic decisions can be considered ethical decisions directly - see moral purchasing or ethical investing. Economics must pay very special attention to the theory of ethics it embeds within it. Must more so than business, or law, or other fields that do not lead directly to equations regarding ethical decisions. Economics does. EofT

When I did my business degree, there were three ethics related courses, dealing with topics that range from bribery to price discrimination, to churning, to false advertising, to unethical labour practices, to retail price maintenence, to environmental issues, to collusion, to grey marketing, to patent and copyright enfringement, to tort law, to accounting accountability. When I did my economics degree, the only EXPLICIT reference to ethics was in some theoretical aspects of welfare economics and environmental economics (like Pareto effeciency, or The index of sustainable economic development for example).

These are three of the four hottest issues in the field of economics, the fourth being probably behavioral finance. That's evidence for my view. EofT

If by "hot issues", you mean controversial, politically charged, subjective, and without a concensus on their true value, you are right. But it is non sequitur to claim that that supports your view.user:mydogategodshat

No one doubts that depleted ecosystems have very low efficiency for any human purpose. And, no one doubts that ultimately humans are welfare bums on the planet, doing little for it, but taking much from it. And, the sustainable development issues are key to averting conflict over economic relations, so, I think there is no dispute on the importance of those. I think the explicit reference to ethics in those cases was foolish, ethical behaviour on those issues is a matter of preventing long term disaster exposure, like ethical investing, which provides natural immunization against the worst outcomes. EofT

I agree that there is "a theory of ethics imbeded" in economics, and it is important for economists to understand the presuppositions of their field. I took a course in Marxist economics just so that I was exposed to an alternative view, a view that challenges many of the assumptions of mainstream economics. The economics we have today would be very different if Adam Smith would have used the works of Hegel as an ethical substructure rather than using the works of his moral philosophy professor Francis Hutcheson. I would be interested in seeing some Wikipedian articles on this subject if anyone wants to write them. user:mydogategodshat

That probably belongs in political economy. Also there is no problem with cross-listing every single ethics article relevant to economics. EofT

The links to lists of finance, management, marketing, and accounting have a place on the page because they are CLOSELY related.

Ethics is just as closely related, and it is sociopathic to beleve that marketing is more related to economics than ethics, or for that matter, ecology. EofT

Do you realize that you just called me a sociopath because I feel that the four business related topics (management, finance, economics, and marketing)are closer related to each other than economics is to a branch of philosphy? Forgetting about the truth or falsehood of my beliefs for a moment, ask yourself what that says about you as a person.

sociopath-ic implies use of persuasion regardless of ethical consequence. I am quite comfortable with describing any behavior (not person necessarily) that way if it raises marketing/persuasion above ethics/bodies/ecosystems.

You seem to have a habit of putting words in peoples' mouths. Nobody is claiming economics (or law or any other social science is above ethics). That is not what is at issue.user:mydogategodshat

Ethicis is also not a "branch of philosophy" but a consequence of Creation, to most people on this planet.

If you were to examine the universities of the world you would find that in almost all cases ethics is tought by faculty from philosophy departments. As for your beliefs about Creation and the teleological system of ethics that this implies, you are free to hold these beliefs, they are not unreasonable, but don't try to make economics a subset of them in an encyclopedia used by others that do not have these beliefs.user:mydogategodshat

Ethics is taught by theologians in many universities. And more people subscribe to those concepts of ethics than to those of philosophy. If your belief is that economics is prior to ethics, then revisit "sociopathic". EofT

It is not clear what you mean by "prior". Do you mean logically prior, chronologicly prior, teleologically prior, or are you just say it is more important. . . ? user:mydogategodshat

I meant "logically prior" but it could also be teleologically. You said it well above with your sentence about ethics as basis of social sciences. EofT

No offense intended, but, your ethics education is probably incomplete if you do not think ethics is a "business related topic" EofT

When a person resorts to ad hominem arguments, it is usually an indication that they do not have any substantive arguements to offer. I hope this is not the case here, because if it is, I have wasted a lot of time responding to them. user:mydogategodshat

I could easily point out those who share your view, e.g. Jeffrey Skilling, who got high marks as a Harvard MBA. Is that "substantive"? EofT

Now you have resorted to the fallacy of arguement from authority. If you can't come up with a substantive arguement, I am not going to respond to your comments any more. user:mydogategodshat

Pardon the offense. A bad example is not the same as an argument from authority. It simply proves that someone can have a state of the art education in business, have explicit and lousy ethics (Skilling wrote papers saying ethics was always and only the government's problem and got high marks on them), and that his methods in real life lead to disaster and tragedy for a lot of people. No matter how much fun they have in the short run. EofT

What do you think?

OK,growth accounting and accounting reform have significant economic content. As for the accounting article, I assume that was included because financial accounting techniques underlie the macroeconomic system of national accounts. I think that is a bit of a stretch. - - user:mydogategodshat

Hardly. The UN system of national accounts has a profound impact on the viability of theories of economics in practice. Read Marilyn Waring or John Kenneth Galbraith. Or anything whatever on uneconomic growth. EofT

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comprehensive tax

what is this? is it the opposite of progressive tax? i cant find comprhensive tax on wiki. i've also noticed that your list does not include Progressive tax. --Jaysscholar 07:23, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Micro policy analysis

surprisingly this doesnt even exist —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rickibal (talk • contribs) 17:27, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Verifiability#Should there be an exception for indexes?

There's a discussion on what the reference requirements for lists like this one. The Transhumanist (talk) 01:28, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Index creation

I'm putting together a new WikiProject and I saw that some projects have a consolidated Index of articles (a useful thing) but I could not find a tool or a template to do that very basic job. I have a doubt here: please do not tell me that Wikipedia would be crazy enough to create and maintain those indexes by hand because I won't believe you... --Alainr345 (talk) 21:48, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was move them Anthony Appleyard (talk) 14:23, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Index of statistics articles → List of statistics articles — Most lists are called "List of -". There are probably other pages that start with "Index of -". This is to standardize articles and naming. 174.3.98.236 (talk) 11:41, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

• Index of conservation articles → List of conservation articles
• Index of international trade articles → List of international trade articles
• Index of economics articles → List of economics articles

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