Talk:Indian Institute of Management Ahmedabad

Respecting an encyclopaedia - Name+Location

In my experience at IIMA, it's always been IIMA or IIM-A, never IIM,A. The IIMs are different institutes, with different curriculi, different ethos and different teaching/management styles. They have distinct boards as well. IIM,A suggests the Ahmedabad branch of one organization called IIM. That's just not the case, the only real common factor between the IIMs is the entrance examination (JEE), besides the directors' meetings (Ad-hoc) and some linked alumnii and special interest groups (non-official).

If I remember correctly, the page is taken AS-IS from the news release after my batch's recruitment process, which is also recycled in various promotional material. It makes too many unsubstantiated and opinion statements (For ex., you cannot show a trend in people rejecting jobs abroad, or a trend in people staying outside the recruitment process to start schools/consultancies/etc. based on 2 years' data. C'mon, even the communications department would've kicked my ass if I'd tried to draw a trend based on 2 years' data in the Written Analysis & Communication (WAC) paper, let alone the marketing or eco profs! This is just not right.

This page should be about the campus, history & culture. There is a lot that should be added, think WAC runs, SIGs & Societies etc. etc. I won't just preach, I'll do it over the weekend as and when time permits.

p.s. - I am an alumnii of IIM Ahmedabad, batch of 2005

Correction to your note above: The common entrance test for IIMs is CAT and not 'JEE' as you have mentioned. JEE is for IITs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.200.225.156 (talk) 18:06, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

It's "Indian Institute of Management Ahmedabad"

... and not "Indian Institute of Management, Ahmedabad". The word "Ahmedabad" forms part of the name, and there is no comma that separates it from "Indian Institute of Management".

I researched the above statement a little bit and this is the best response so far from my classmate at IIM Lucknow.

Is it Infosys Banagalore & Infosys Chennai or Infosys, Banagalore & Infosys, Chennai? The IIM is estd by the govt of India and each location gets its management and freedom to operate within a certain guidelines. But each location is an IIM. If you look at the official address, it says:

IIM, Prabandh Nagar, Off. Sitapur Road, Lucknow-226 013.

Therefore, the name is IIM & you are free to put or not put commas when you add the location name to identify the excact institute. The rules of English grammar tend to agree with Mr.Dole and say that you should put a comma.

I beg to differ with the above statement. For both Indian Institute of Management Ahmedabad and Indian Institute of Management Bangalore, the location is a part of the name of the institute, so there should not be a comma after the 'Management' (I'm not sure how it is for IIM Lucknow). The analogy with Infosys is not a good one, because in that case, Bangalore or Chennai denotes the place, and is not a part of the name of the company.

I think the comma should return.

doles 13:55, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

I believe that the name used by the entities themselves should be used. At least in this case, it is without the comma.Vinay84 (talk) 16:10, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

The standard notations are "Indian Institute of Management Ahmedabad", "IIM Ahmedabad" or "IIMA". Refer IIMA website - this is the protocol followed there. The comma is not used. Vastrapur (talk) 05:03, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

NPOV

Much of this article is promotional rather than Neutral point of view. Paul foord 09:26, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

I agree. Moreover, statistics about placements (though fancy) should not reflect in an encyclopedia. They are often inflated and details are not openly available to outsiders. Sbohra 10:01, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

I agree with foord.. some of the sections are not very encyclopaedic.. --Rev.bayes 20:34, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

MR Foord what u exactly mean when you use the word "promotional". Would mentioning Everest as highest peak in the world also tantamount to promotion???--194.221.74.7 16:48, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

I endorse 194.221.74.7's views. IIMA is the best business school in India. [1],[2] (read the salaries offered part),
[3], [4], [5]. --Andy123(talk) 17:24, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

I also agree that the article's style sounds promotional. -Mardus 03:30, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Absolutely on the NPOV. Words like `excellent`, `awe-inspiring` and so on aren't objective, neutral ways of describing this University. I'll start fixing this soon, unless people have a clear explanation as to how this fits the NPOV criteria. 61.126.88.206 (talk) 06:59, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Image placements

I moved the entrance image upwards, so that it would be easier to discern section edit links.
-Mardus 03:33, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Citations?

Where are the citations? Why does the page 'admire' IIMA? Facts only please. This looks like a publicity page of IIMA - good school it could be but this is an encyclopedia page that looks like being 'used'. Effectively the page is tarnishing reputation of the school. This is not a page on IIM-server, its' a community-page where you have responsibility of not advertising. People editing this page should understand seriousness of it and edit the page asap to make it encyclopedic. Check this to see what I mean : Harvard Business School

Contested deletion

This page should not be speedy deleted because... --Foojzi (talk) 10:36, 22 April 2011 (UTC) It is not advertisement. In fact it merely represents facts & figures from numerous reputed surveys & agencies.

Academic boosterism and unreferenced material

I am in the process of a major rework of the article, and am going to remove almost all unreferenced claims. Kindly provide reliable sources to support statements mentioned within the article. Some sources are reliably provided. However, it's important that you confirm that the sources satisfy our guidelines too. Please write to me on my talk page for any clarifications or assistance. Kind regards. Wifione _....... ^{Leave a message} 16:50, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Copy vio concerns

I have removed huge amounts of material apparently copy pasted from the Internet. It'll take me around a couple of days to check whether the material on the net was copied from our site, or vice versa. Till then, kindly use reliable sources to add your own material. Wifione _....... ^{Leave a message} 16:58, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Sites from where I've caught huge copy vio concerns: [6][7][8][9][10]. Please do not add back material till you're completely sure it's not a copy violation. Wifione _....... ^{Leave a message} 17:47, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

Result was Merge.

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Merger proposal

I propose to merge List of Indian Institute of Management Ahmedabad Alumni into Indian Institute of Management Ahmedabad. The list is quite small. It contains six members, only two of which have Wikipedia articles, and could easily be incorporated into the existing article. --Muhandes (talk) 19:18, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

• Accepted. Wifione ^Message 06:00, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Alumni

I removed the following from the list of Alumni. The reason is that per WP:NLIST one needs to demonstrate notability for every entry. The sources provided are not enough to satisfy WP:BIO or WP:GNG. I don't see how enough material can be added to satisfy these requirements, so please write an article about them before adding them again.

• Piyush Gupta, Chief Executive Officer, DBS Bank
• Ivan Menezes, President, North America and Chairman, Asia Pacific, Latin America & Caribbean, Diageo
• Shikha Sharma, Chief Executive Officer, Axis Bank

--Muhandes (talk) 13:37, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

• Muhandes, I think it is okay to add entries to the list if notability can be established via secondary sources. And at least the first and third entries in the above list seem notable to me, though the third one needs a good secondary source in addition to the company webpage. I think Gupta and Sharma should be added back, with additional references for Sharma. Aurorion (talk) 17:15, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

• I am not going to argue this, but in my opinion a singular secondary source is not enough for WP:BIO. I am not claiming the person is not notable, but demonstrating that they are is impossible within the confined space of an alumni list. The place to demonstrate notability is an article about the person. While I wont remove it again (I'll simply remove the page from my watchlist instead) other editors are bound to remove the entry if there is no article.--Muhandes (talk) 17:53, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

• I do not have an opinion either way, but I would like to note that this guideline Wikipedia:UNIGUIDE#Article structure recommends that alumni section is written in prose rather than a list.--Anbu121 (talk me) 04:04, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

• That's true for every list, see WP:Prose. I'm not sure why the prose section was replaced with a list. --Muhandes (talk) 13:12, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

References

Talk / discuss before Edit warring.

Talk please. The present article gives UNDUE weightage and placement, so needs adjustment of content (cruft), and placement of the controversial "Plagiaraism" section to the stable (preferred) version. 2001:1640:5:0:0:0:3:BA (talk) 11:48, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

GA Reassessment

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Indian Institute of Management Ahmedabad/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.

Currently identified problems

• Copyright violations; I've removed one section already and there are more that require checking
• Content not in source: e.g. "The Post-Graduate Programme in Agribusiness Management (PGP-ABM) is a two-year fully residential management programme." -- the linked source doesn't mention anything about this
• Primary sources and poor quality press releases: Contentious and flowery content sourced to the institute's website.
• Neutrality: Reuse of press releases doesn't give a story, instead it presents disjointed statements (e.g. the architecture section)
• Scope: The article is very limited in scope and reads more like a PowerPoint presentation and does not cover any of the listed titles in a proper manner.

These issues would mean a quick fail at GAN, but I'm bringing it here to see if it can be fixed instead of being delisted. —SpacemanSpiff 18:00, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Here's the link about PGP-ABM now known as PGP-FABM, the official site has not yet changed the name everywhere.Esperanza 1409 (talk) 22:22, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

This article does not deserve GA status. It is being continuously disrupted by IP promotional edits from IIMA itself. Sigmabaroda (talk) 03:56, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

References

• Here's an assessment based on the criteria:

1. Well written: N
   • Disjointed sections, no flow within the article, found some copyvios, there may be more.
2. Verifiable with no original research: N
   • Mostly primary sources, press releases; a lot of unsourced content.
3. Broad in its coverage: N
   • Weak on history, organizational structure, location/architecture etc while heavy on recent news.
4. Neutral: N
   • Not neutral as sections are used to promote a certain point of view.
5. Stable: N
   • Unstable with constant back and forth between multiple points of view.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by images:Y
   • Reasonable use of images, properly licensed.

Based on the above assessment I'm delisting the article. —SpacemanSpiff 12:12, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Pedagogy

Pedagogy : The teaching style in IIM Ahmedabad is mostly case study based, where cases from different sectors are collected and made to analyse by students. Students are given access to many case study from Harvard, Stanford and other coveted institutes. It fosters practical learning among students and gives them insights into real life experiences in the corporate world. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sravani95 (talk • contribs) 13:26, 6 March 2016‎

The Red Brick Summit

The section, at present, reads like an advertisement, and clearly needs editing to make it more encyclopedic in tone, style and structure. Ideally, it should focus on the nature of the event, the event's evolution, and the broad themes it covers.

Worryingly, it does not cite any sources at all. Unreferenced content is liable to be removed. Please add citations from reliable sources. Perhaps the following links could be used:

• https://web.iima.ac.in/assets/upload/media/177067301920170722_Press%20Release_The%20Red%20Brick%20Summit.docx
• https://www.ndtv.com/education/iim-ahmedbads-the-red-brick-summit-off-to-a-lively-start-1757143
• https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/markets/motilal-oswal-amc-iima-initiative-for-bschools/article9810937.ece

 Shobhit102 | talk  09:52, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 25 October 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

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• Indian Institute of Management Ahmedabad → IIM Ahmedabad
• Indian Institute of Management Calcutta → IIM Calcutta
• Indian Institute of Management Bangalore → IIM Bangalore
• Indian Institute of Management Lucknow → IIM Lucknow
• Indian Institute of Management Kozhikode → IIM Kozhikode
• Indian Institute of Management Indore → IIM Indore
• Indian Institute of Management Shillong → IIM Shillong
• Indian Institute of Management Rohtak → IIM Rohtak
• Indian Institute of Management Ranchi → IIM Ranchi
• Indian Institute of Management Raipur → IIM Raipur
• Indian Institute of Management Kashipur → IIM Kashipur
• Indian Institute of Management Udaipur → IIM Udaipur
• Indian Institute of Management Nagpur → IIM Nagpur
• Indian Institute of Management, Amritsar → IIM Amritsar
• Indian Institute of Management Bodh Gaya → IIM Bodh Gaya
• Indian Institute of Management Sirmaur → IIM Sirmaur
• Indian Institute of Management Visakhapatnam → IIM Visakhapatnam
• Indian Institute of Management Sambalpur → IIM Sambalpur
• Indian Institute of Management Jammu → IIM Jammu

– As per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:CONCISE, similar to the case of Georgia Tech, recent move of Delhi University and RM of IITs Talk:Indian Institute of Technology Bombay#Requested move 23 October 2020. All the IIMs except for IIM Trichy (which will have a separate RM due to different use of its city name) are listed here. Note: this not a RM for moving Indian Institutes of Management to IIM as there are number of other institutes with that acronym and the use of IIM may not be understood worldwide for Indian Institutes of Management. However the use of the acronym IIM with the city name is the normal standard and perfectly makes it clear to anyone that its referring to a specific institute.

Indian Institute of Management Ahmedabad is the full name, but very rarely used. Even the official website [11] displays IIM Ahmedabad more prominently, and the official twitter account [12] is IIM Ahmedabad. The faculty, students, alumni, general populace and the media all either refer it to as IIM Ahmedabad or as IIM-A. The worldwide google trend for last 12 months [13] shows IIM Ahmedabad being searched 22 times more than Indian Institute of Management Ahmedabad. Just recent articles (within last few days) in all top media houses refer to as IIM Ahmedabad [14] [15] [16] IIM Calcutta google trend [17] shows IIM Calcutta being searched 16 times more than Indian Institute of Management Calcutta. Similar is the case with all other 17 IIMs. Roller26 (talk) 10:12, 25 October 2020 (UTC) —Relisted. P.I. Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 22:45, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Relist note: WikiProjects have been notified of this move request. P.I. Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 23:03, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose this case of conciseness over precision and recognizability. The acronym can be used in the article after it is defined, but IIM will be meaningless to most readers on its own. Dicklyon (talk) 21:53, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

• @Dicklyon:, I have asked for the RM after understanding that acronyms in titles should be rarely used. Point 4 of WP:NC-UNI and MOS:ACROTITLE makes it pretty clear that acronyms in the titles can be used when institution you are naming is almost exclusively known only by including such terms and is widely used in that form and if readers somewhat familiar with the subject are likely to only recognise the name by its acronym, then the acronym should be used as a title. The first case has been made in the nomination, that the specific institute is almost always referred by the acronym IIM and its city name, for eg IIM Ahmedabad, upto the level of official level - its website and twitter account. Only in extremely official cases, like degrees and ranking, is the full name used. The second case is readers. Nearly all Indian readers not fully familiar with IIMs hardly ever know its full name and only refer to specific institutes by the proposed RMs like IIM Ahmedabad, not even knowing that its not its full official name. I am curious as to know other readers will come across such a specific institute page (in most cases). The only possibilities I understand are readers already familiar with the specific institute in which case they are more likely to search something like "IIM Ahmedabad", through navigation box on Indian Institutes of Management or other specific IIM institute or through wikilink for Indian Institute of Management Ahmedabad or IIM Ahmedabad - in all cases they already understand the acronym IIM. I am also not asking for moving Indian Institutes of Management to IIM or IIMs (though every commonly used) due to the "precision and recognizability" reasoning and "strong preference for natural disambiguation", however there is no disambiguation required for specific institutes. And hopefully this points makes it clear that the requested RM is precise and recognizable enough to relevant readers. Roller26 (talk) 04:34, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose The acronyms is meaningless outside of people who already know it. The full name conveys not only the country (India) but also the trade (management) is therefore far superior over what seems like random three letters. I think this is one case where the meaning and precision wins over conciseness. --Muhandes (talk) 07:54, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

• Muhandes, I am also not asking for moving Indian Institutes of Management to IIM or IIMs (though every commonly used) due to the "precision and recognizability" reasoning and "strong preference for natural disambiguation", however there is no disambiguation required for specific institutes. And hopefully this points makes it clear that the requested RM is precise and recognizable enough to relevant readers.. Also refer to my RM request and above reply to clarify the points that you raised here. That makes it abundantly clear that moving Indian Institute of Management Ahmedabad to IIM Ahmedabad is a better option for the relevant readers. Roller26 (talk) 09:08, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

• "Oppose" means that I read your request very carefully and I don't agree that it makes it abundantly clear that moving Indian Institute of Management Ahmedabad to IIM Ahmedabad is a better option. I think that to someone unfamiliar with the higher-education system in India, "IIM Ahmedabad" is a confusing and meaningless term which does not convey the important facts: India and Management. "Indian Institute of Management Ahmedabad" convey them, and therefore, is more precise. (I would add that I don't appreciate the way IIT Bombay was moved without proper discussion and consensus here) --Muhandes (talk) 13:03, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

• Muhandes, I am curious as to how the readers unfamiliar with the higher-education system in India are arriving on these pages. As the pageviews doesn't disclose specific page views split by countries, I have no idea. However looking at the Google trends links [18] shows Indian readers searching these topics 25 times to 100 times more than the next country readers. Its more than likely that all of those readers too are aware of the abbreviation and those arriving on the pages are readers already familiar with the specific institute in which case they are more likely to search something like "IIM Ahmedabad", through navigation box on Indian Institutes of Management or other specific IIM institute or through wikilink for Indian Institute of Management Ahmedabad or IIM Ahmedabad. Unless the random page has a very high probability of selecting these pages over the rest of pages, I believe that the concern if readers somewhat familiar with the subject are likely to only recognize the name by its acronym, then the acronym should be used as a title as articulated in MOS:ACROTITLE and having a WP:COMMONNAME used more than 22 times than the current title takes the precedence. For those extremely few readers arriving on the page without a proper idea will get the idea about the institute in literally its first 4 words. Also if you have concern with IIT Bombay title change and the consensus for other IITs, start another RM or take the existing RM to Move Review. Roller26 (talk) 13:57, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

• You are repeating the same arguments and so do I, so lets agree to remain in disagreement. As for consensus on IITs, the place for that is obviously WT:INEI, with a notice at WT:IND, but this is off-topic. --Muhandes (talk) 15:05, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 18 December 2020

Add Rank 1 in India Today Ranking Ayushsp (talk) 02:39, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

 Done (not by myself) --Muhandes (talk) 09:43, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 18 December 2020 (2)

Add Rank 1 in Business World Ranking (2020) Ayushsp (talk) 02:46, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

 Not done MBA Universe is not a reliable source. Please discuss at WT:INEI. --Muhandes (talk) 09:47, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

References

Proposed demolition of dormitories designed by Louis Kahn

The Louis Kahn dormitories were proposed for demolition but then were saved after an international outcry: [19] Thriley (talk) 23:44, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

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