Talk:Interminority racism in the United States

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/* Asian Americans as model minorities */ Entire section was written in a strongly editorialized style inappropriate for wikipedia - removed some of the more egregious examples of personal POV and editorializing, but problems remain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hominidx (talk • contribs) 13:09, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Moar.

This article seems to be entirely written by 160.94.56.160. This frightens me.  Esper  ^rant  03:58, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

I am not sure this entry is up to Wikipedia's standards. Nantucketnoon (talk) 07:23, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

This article seems to have issues both with being more like an essay than an encyclopaedia article, and with failing to maintain a neutral point of view. It simply states its case without making it clear that it is not a universally held position: statements like This kind of color-blind racism ignores how racial differences have occurred through dominance.[13] It causes minorities to enter into conflict with each other since the U.S. policy is to let things be. are certainly not neutral! This article needs serious attention, and may need to be rewritten entirely. Robofish (talk) 21:34, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Are there any scholarly sources from peer reviewed journals on the matter? To remotely corroborate what's being said? Dillonke (talk) 05:35, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

removing POV tag with no active discussion per Template:POV

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Since there's no evidence of ongoing discussion, I'm removing the tag for now. If discussion is continuing and I've failed to see it, however, please feel free to restore the template and continue to address the issues. Thanks to everybody working on this one! -- Khazar2 (talk) 12:51, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

This entire article is a disaster

Almost all of the content is POV, the citations mostly do not match the wording used in the corresponding text, the entire thing is written in the format of a homework essay by a teenager. Since repairing the article would require the entire thing to be completely redone from scratch and there are numerous articles which overlap with this otpic, nominate for deletion? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.242.62.125 (talk) 21:38, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Is there a way to report an article as in dire need? 149.31.194.129 (talk) 12:54, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

ha, would love to see how the article might have looked back then Becausewhynothuh? (talk) 12:55, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

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"Interminority racism" is only used in a handful of sources

The term "interminority racism" is used is less than 10 academic sources of dubious quality, and is not used in any mainstream media. A google search of "inter-minority racism" and "interminority racism" finds less than 700 pages on the web. This page is essentially about a made-up term.

Merudo (talk) 16:54, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

what would you suggest to be a better term? Becausewhynothuh? (talk) 12:55, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

@Merudo I dont even see how thats a problem. Its not like we are talking about nuclear physics here where we as community members might not be equipped to know whether a certain highly niche or rare terminology even makes sense. The terms "inter" "minority" and "racism" are perfectly well known and communicate clearly (in my opinion) what this article is about. Why create a problem where there is none? 77.20.155.35 (talk) 20:23, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Anti black bias and fake statistics.

“ Various ethnic groups in the United States have perpetrated racist violence against Asian Americans, which were commonly caused by both White Americans and African Americans respectively. White Supremacist and Anti-Black Asian have cited the 2019 Bureau of Justice Statistics figures that indicated that 27.5 percent of those committing violence were Black; 24.1 percent were white; 21.4 percent were Hispanic or "other" and well under 25 percent were Asian.” The 2019 Bureau of Justice Statistics never posted figures that indicated that black people attacked asians the most. And using 1 single year as a reference to paint a specific narrative against african american people is not correct and offensive and very misleading. Madara84 (talk) 00:10, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

right....so it's only everybody else at fault here🫤 Becausewhynothuh? (talk) 12:56, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

I couldn't find these stats on their website either. There seem to be only two sources I can find: one is an op-ed by Wilfred Reilly from Commentary magazine and another is from a person called Diane Yip, giving evidence at the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights (pp.32-3). Both are making the point that conservatives and white supremacists aren't to blame, but Blacks are. Without a direct link to the BJS, it seems to me to be an opinion (and a contentious one), and not notable enough for inclusion anyway.

I think this is worth a new topic heading with a more neutral title so we can discuss this and reach a consensus. Lewisguile (talk) 17:11, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Article is a mess

This whole article seems to focus entirely on African Americans and seems to usually go against them. Especially the sections on African-Jewish and African-Asian relations, both of which have some very racially questionable views on Africans. The African-Asian section has a list of "Prominent Murders of Asian Americans by African Americans" which feels extremely questionable at best. BigSneeze444 (talk) 20:08, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

hmm, while i feel removing that section would just obscure important information, I too, had a massive eyebrow raise moment when i saw it phrased that way. how about you collaborate with me and some other users to improve the state of the article? Becausewhynothuh? (talk) 12:54, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Expanded lead issues

Becausewhynothuh?, I reverted your lead changes. Issues included:

• WP:OR, by using examples to illustrate your point, instead of reliable sources that draw the conclusions themselves. For example, using the source title "Riot Breaks Out At Calif. High School, Melee Involving 500 People Erupts At Southern California School" to show that racial tensions had increased constitutes WP:OR, as that article doesn't explicitly state that conclusion.
• WP:EASTEREGG issues, such as the sentence minorities secured full political rights.
• Unreliable sources, including a blog.

Cerebral726 (talk) 12:49, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Apologies for using a blog, that was rather careless of me.

Otherwise, I feel like that page's lede definitely needs an improvement.

How about we use its talk page to consider aspects of my version, workshop it together and create an excellent lede in collaboration? (of course with the help of others as well) Becausewhynothuh? (talk) 12:53, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Sounds great! Happy to go about it that way. I 100% agree the lead is in need of improvement. Cerebral726 (talk) 12:57, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

excellent, I'll repost that version's lede here in the talk page and we can stark the discussion Becausewhynothuh? (talk) 12:59, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

POV fork?

@Becausewhynothuh? and Cerebral726: tbh, I suspect that this article (or at least the current version of it) may be a WP:POVFORK, what do y’all think? 2601:204:C901:B740:A895:5509:CA3A:3CF9 (talk) 13:04, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

I mean, it's not exactly an archetype of WP:POVFORK but I do feel it was written by somebody with a sort of grudge or somebody who wanted to prove a point. defo NPOV violation. how about we clean it up to be neutral, have legitimate sources, and not be so aggressive towards some minorities in favour of others? we would be doing everybody a great service Becausewhynothuh? (talk) 13:09, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Agree, gonna tag the article since you, me, and several others above have expressed NPOV concerns. 2601:204:C901:B740:A895:5509:CA3A:3CF9 (talk) 13:13, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

We should ideally be seeking out neutral reliable sources that discuss this topic from an overview perspective. Blogs are unreliable, and news reports tend to be WP:UNDUE or miss the bigger picture. 2601:204:C901:B740:A895:5509:CA3A:3CF9 (talk) 13:06, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Violent hate crimes and racist bullying - unable to source claims

I removed the text below, as I can't find a reliable source for it:

Violent hate crimes and racist bullying

See also: Asian American activism and Stop Asian Hate

Various ethnic groups in the United States have perpetrated acts of violence against Asian Americans. The 2019 Bureau of Justice Statistics figures indicated that 27.5 percent of the perpetrators of acts of violence were Black; 24.1 percent were white; 21.4 percent were Hispanic or "other" and well under 15 percent were Asian. (emphasis mine)

The source given was an op-ed by Wilfred Reilly in Commentary magazine, which is a defunct neoconservative publication, and its author doesn't link to the original citation. The magazine link doesn't work for me, but is archived. The text is copied almost word for word from that website, except the op-ed states "well under 25 percent were Asian" instead of "15 percent" as here. When I looked to verify either number, I couldn't find these stats on the BJS website or anywhere else.

There seem to be only two sources I can find that mention the 27.5% statistic: one is Reilly's op-ed, and the other is from a person called Diane Yip, giving evidence at the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights (pp.32-3). Both are making the point that conservatives and white supremacists aren't to blame, but Blacks are. Without a direct link to the BJS, it seems to me to be an opinion (and a potentially contentious one), and not notable enough for inclusion anyway.

If anyone can find the actual BJS source for this data, that would be mighty helpful! Lewisguile (talk) 17:18, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

I should have googled Wilfred Reilly first. So, he has a page on here describing his work. He wrote a book called Hate Crime Hoax: How the Left is Selling a Fake Race War, and has had some media coverage which may make his comments notable in a "criticisms" or "responses" section. But these specific stats, if included, should probably be attributed to him in the absence of any proof that they come from an official body. It seems he does a lot of his own research, so it may prove hard to find this data via any RS. Lewisguile (talk) 17:35, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

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