Talk:Ipswich (UK Parliament constituency)

Cobbolds

Thomas Clement Cobbold ought to be given his full name, to distinguish from Thomas Cobbold who is linked from the article on Cliff Brewery as founding it in 1723. I had a go at sorting it out but got muddled: I think we need to do a WP:RM to sort out. Similarly, the two John Cobbolds should be identified by full names, rather than dates: WP:NAMC explicitly says "Years of birth and death should not be used in a page title to distinguish between people of the same name.". We're lucky to have middle names for those 2! PamD (talk) 21:03, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Have picked up all the pieces, I think, and left a request on the WP:RM to have Thomas Clement Cobbold article renamed as such. (I think that if I hadn't started to edit the redirect I could have just done the move, but with a redirect with a non-zero edit history it can't just be done simply). —Preceding unsigned comment added by PamD (talk • contribs) 23:32, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Corruption 1835-1842

A series of elections between 1835 and 1842 were found to be corrupt. To quote Hansard from 1842: During the last seven years, or little more, there had been five elections for the borough of Ipswich, and those five elections had produced five petitions [1]. Should there not be a standard way of marking corruption against an election, currently the only clue is a subsequent by-election? PeterEastern (talk) 19:50, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Trimming earlier MPs

I've started an article at Ipswich (English Parliamentary Borough) to allow for the pre 1707 MPs to be taken away from this article. I think that it is necesary to list them in Wikipedia, but I think that there is undue weight for what is a current constituency.

JASpencer (talk) 20:31, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

User:JASpencer, Personally, I disagree with this. The set-out is (to my knowledge) the same in all constituency articles, and to change it on one could cause confusion. Certainly when I looked, I didn't easily find a link to the pre-1707 MPs on this page. At a quick glance, as a reader, I would have thought the constituency doesn't go back before 1707. This set-up makes it harder for readers to find information and articles, and harder for people like me, who create articles on the earlier MPs, to find the redlinks. I think this should be merged back until a discussion has been had at the relevant Wikiproject about whether this is the way forward. If the consensus is that your solution is better, then that's fine, and then it should be changed on all constituencies. Boleyn (talk) 06:41, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

1. On the link - that's a good point and I've tried to make it more visible in the article.
2. As suggested I've started a discussion on the project talk page.
3. I disagree on the point about Ipswich being like most other constituencies, but the project talk page is probably the best place for that.

JASpencer (talk) 20:28, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

2005 election swing

The election results from 2005 seem to be calculated from the 2001 election and not the by-election. Shouldn't the swing be from the last time the seat was filled, rather than the last time there was a general election?

JASpencer (talk) 09:07, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

I agree with you in this particular instance and as a general rule, this seems to have been the norm. Any diversion from that norm ideally should be flagged up as such. Graemp (talk) 18:33, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

By-elections are anomalous beasts and often bear no relation to the constituency's general political leanings and on occasions one or other major party may not stand, further distorting the trend that swing is supposedly representing, so swings, percentage changes, and N/A etc. should generally be based on the previous general election results - just like every other constituency, but in an absence of a wiki-wide policy this should follow whatever convention the relevant wikiproject supports. If it came to a vote my preference would be for general election to general election. FanN | talk | 05:46, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure of the true value of your point. It should not be forgotten that by-elections can actually change the constituency's general political leanings, if only for one subsequent general election, which of course happens to be the one we are specifically interested in. Graemp (talk) 13:20, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Whilst I normally prefer to compare like with like -general election-general election, the major parties assess a candidate's performance by comparing his swing with that of the main parties at the election. It has the benefit of being easy to calculate and politically neutral. JRPG (talk) 17:22, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK Parliament constituencies#Dispute at Ipswich (UK Parliament constituency)

To try to sort this edit warring about 'N/A', I have raised the issue at the relevant Wikiproject, so please comment there if you wish to be involved in the discussion. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 13:25, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

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Splitting the article

For constituenecies that have had a continual life over the years, should we really be putting everything into one article?

I think that the current layout first bloats the current article with lists of MPs while also ironically downplaying the history - the role of the Corporation, the changing nature of the electorate during the various reform acts, the Blues and Yellows.

1918 when the Ipswich constituency became a one member constituency, female suffrage, universal male suffrage and the Liberals stopped being elected to Ipswich - seems to be a very obvious place to split the article. JASpencer (talk) 19:28, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

I've asked the question here JASpencer (talk) 15:39, 25 November 2022 (UTC)