Talk:Isla de Mona

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There is a separate entry at Isla Mona, Puerto Rico. These need to be combined

Isn't it anachronistic to refer to the Dominican Republic in the 1500s?

Does King Fernando really refer to the king of Spain?

Isla Mona has now been combined. Axeman89 21:39, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup tag

I have re-added the cleanup tag to this article because it has many typos, sentences lack structure, cohesion and logic, unrelated sentences are joined in a paragraph, etc. Joelito (talk) 17:55, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

transfer of Indians in 1790s

I am not an expert on Mona Island, which is why I have not tried to edit this page. I do know that in discussions of PR history it is very common to refer to the transfer of 2,100 Indians from Mona to NW PR in the 1790s. No mention of this is made in the wikipedia entry. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.106.168.228 (talk) 02:47, 5 March 2007 (UTC).

April 7, 1607 "Discovery" by the Virginia Company of London en route to claim Virginia & America "for God and King (James I)".

I, too, am not all that familiar with Mona, but I do have certain information (or access to it) which will help fatten-up this craggy island's history; two pieces of which, are fairly significant. The obscurity of the references justifies their absense in the article. Since the Isle is uninhabited, except by those who maintain its natural resources and security, it's not inexplicable how there is little interest in working on the content, esp KP.

If I find some time, I'll do it, but it won't be anytime soon. When I do, I'll add the information about the "discovery" in 1607. It's significant because the three ships, Susan Constant, Godspeed and Discovery, which visited upon Mona and other West Indies archipelagos, were carrying the 144 settlers and sailors who would land at the shores of Cape Henry at the mouth of Chesapeake Bay on April 26, 1607, would plant a cross claiming the land for God and King and then would travel inland for two more weeks and, on May 13, 1607, found the Colony of Jamestown, America's first permanent settlement.

Noteworthy, perhaps, is the fact that only 143 passengers arrived at Cape Henry. One gentleman, Edward Brooks, died on the Isle of Mona where, it is assumed, he was buried.

Interesting is the fact that most historians just discount him as having never become an "American," in the U.S. sense of the word. Considering the fact that none of the settlers survived until 1776 - all of them died in the 1600s, Gentleman Brooks is, today, no less an American than they, since Mona is now, also, part of the United States.

There are some pretty major players who were on board those ships... one of them Capt. John Smith (and he is not alone), was a prolific writer. Though he was in shackles on board at the time, he undoubtedly wrote about the islands. Most writers on board the ships, did.

Just throwing out a few references now, in case anyone wishes to go for it...

Start with research on Cape Henry, First LAnding, Jamestown Settlement, Virginia's First Three Charters and then read some of the words by the leadership, members of Jamestowne's Council, Rev. Robert Hunt, Christopher Newport, etc.

I have uploaded a few pdf docs to a website. Here are the links (no I am not playing with HTML right now - sorry):

http://www.americorps.ch/uploads/JamestownPercyObservations_Complete_Proclamation_support_doc.pdf (pg 8, I think)

http://www.americorps.ch/uploads/A_True_Relation_by_Capt_John_Smith_1608_Proclamation_Support_Doc.pdf (While looking for a reference in the section entitled, "Description of the Voyage" (from England), I discovered less than a sentence about the four month- journey. Sheesh! I am leaving the link, because what he does write about is interesting.)

Text of King James I's charter to establish the new world: http://www.americorps.ch/uploads/First_Charter_of_Virginia__1606_.pdf Link to first of the documents: http://www.encyclopediavirginia.org/media_player?mets_filename=evr6672mets.xml

Though the Jamestown organization is the most reliable on all things related to it, the NPS and Encyclopedia Virginia do a pretty credible job, as well. And, so as not to appear completely aloof and oblivious, Wiki also has some great start articles on many of these topics, events and men, but I must admit I am not impressed (yet?) with the article on Rev. Robert Hunt, who is the subject of the movie, "First Landing," a trailer for which you can view here: http://www.norfolkchapter.org/First_Landing_History.html , because the references to his earlier life paint a completely contrary picture of the man who was the only chaplain to america's first colonists. Not that i dispute it; the chasm between the two life histories is so expansive that the article begs for some sort of explanation, interpretation, or scholarly, doctorate-level analysis. For now, it's as if a disambiguation is needed to redirect to the younger Vicar Hunt, who is not the same man as Rev Hunt.

http://www.encyclopediavirginia.org/jamestown_settlement_early#start_entry

http://www.nps.gov/jame/learn/historyculture/prelude-to-jamestown.htm

http://www.nps.gov/jame/learn/historyculture/the-first-residents-of-jamestown.htm

First Residents at JAmestowne, which is the list of those settlers, albeit incomplete. Search them for their stories about the journey: http://www.americorps.ch/uploads/The_First_Residents_of_Jamestown.pdf

Capt John Smith's list of passengers:http://www.encyclopediavirginia.org/The_Original_Jamestown_Settlers_an_excerpt_from_The_Generall_Historie_of_Virginia_New-England_and_the_Summer_Isles_by_John_Smith_1624

Lastly (always save the best for this space), clerly 1607 succeeds the dates listed in the article, so it seems like I am blind, when I write about the island being "discovered" in 1607. What i wrote is actually true, but it is a reference to assertions made bu those at the time; among them, the Great Grand pooh Bah Right Merciful Master George, who's editor placed a footnote at the bottom of page 9 of Percy's work, linked above, which suddenly makes everything about the text of my subject make sense...

Enjoy fellow Wikieditor... Let me know when we can work on it together; either that, or when it's done!

Thanks.

Hogident (talk) 03:08, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

armchair historians, armchair authors

Is that really neutral language? Even if a citation? I think this needs a rewrite, there is no source given for this statement either. --Caranorn (talk) 11:27, 14 July 2021 (UTC)