Talk:Islam/Archive 32
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Correct the information
This article is not based on Islam, it contains incorrect information. Please connect with Islamic scholars and update the content. We don't believe that Prophet Muhammad is the founder of Islam; rather, we believe that God Himself brought it to mankind. So, the founder should be God, not Prophet Muhammad. We believe that from Adam to Prophet Muhammad, all prophets came with Islamic revelation, as the meaning of Islam is submission. Please remove the date, and add the beginning of human existence, and the founder is God 117.205.188.113 (talk) 15:32, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
- WP:RNPOV may be of help to you. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:08, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
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01alam08 (talk) 10:55, 28 December 2023 (UTC)Muslims in the United States page not found 404 is showing. I am changing the source and redirecting to the page.
- Are you referring to[1], current ref 290?
References
- ^ Ba-Yunus, Ilyas; Kone, Kassim (2006). Muslims in the United States. Greenwood Publishing Group. p. 172. ISBN 978-0-313-32825-1.
The book is here: [1], nothing relevant on pagenumber given, though. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:09, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
Correction
Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon Him is not the founder of Islam. Islam existed centuries before Muhammad was born, Islam began with the beginning of time. 197.239.7.169 (talk) 17:59, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
Addition of Al-Fatiha
Please add Al-Fatiha under the Prayer Section for people to listen and understand its meaning. This is the first and most important chapter of The Quran recited in the beginning of all prayers. LINK TO FILE - [2]https://file.io/v2ABHj9v0dnv Omar sam123 (talk) 23:41, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
- The section speaks about the Muslim prayer ritual and has a Wiki-Link to Salah, which explains the use of al-Fatiha during prayer. The main-article in question only touches the surface level on its matters, but allows readers to dive deeper into each related subject by simply following the Wiki-Links. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 17:41, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
Muslim Population Figure Is Wrong
According to the Pew Research Center (https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2011/01/27/the-future-of-the-global-muslim-population/), in 2010 (the last year with reliable data), the global Muslim population was 1.6 billion. The wikipedia page the link sends you to does not, in fact, have any solid source for the claim that Muslims now number 1.9 billion.--Mwidunn (talk) 19:40, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- The number 1.9 billion does not seem impossible.
- Muslim Population by Country 2024 (worldpopulationreview.com) says it reached 2 billion
- Global Muslim Population Exceeds 2 Billion (moroccoworldnews.com) says 2 billion.
- The latter seems to have a bias, I don't know how reliable the first one is. The citations are given in the Demographics section. I want to have a look at it. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 20:52, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- I tried to fix some issues. For example, projections are given by the PewResearch. I further removed sources used twice. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 21:03, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- Devta mission meaning 2409:4054:211B:8B3E:0:0:1979:38A5 (talk) 10:24, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
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Whats with the practicing and non practicing muslims on the top, Christians,Hindus,etc are not practicing or non practicing? is it islam where we draw the line? Raah7sj (talk) 22:55, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. EvergreenFir (talk) 23:03, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
- whats the need of using the term "practicing and non practicing muslims population", replace it with just muslims. Raah7sj (talk) 23:22, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
- I see it now. I've changed the text boldly. It may be reverted.
- I agree that having that in the lead is a bit odd, especially when we do not have that in the lead for Catholic Church or Christians. EvergreenFir (talk) 00:36, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
- whats the need of using the term "practicing and non practicing muslims population", replace it with just muslims. Raah7sj (talk) 23:22, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
Islam Origin is Wrong
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Hazrat Muhammad PBUH was the last messengers with last book revelation which Quran with all details from the day world created. Before there was Tawrat, zahoor and Injel in which its clearly mentioned that Hazrat Muhammad will come. As you can check Hazrat Adam A.S was the first human then how cum islam start from 610 Islam Start from Hazrat Adam A.S and last book was revealed with amended and final call from Allah at Hazrat Muhammad PBUH time. Please correct this information as it giving a wrong concept to everyone. there is many prophets came before Hazrat Muhammad PBUH. Islam was there and people were getting converted to other activities so from there these religion like christian judism came. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salih Zohranajam2 (talk) 09:41, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
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Muhammad (SAW) was not the founder in islam.He was the last prophet in Islam
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Mohammad (SAW) was not the the founder of Islam, he was the last prophet in Islam. Before him estimate 1,24,000 prophet was sent to earth to spread beauty of Islam. 2409:40E1:D:2AD:8000:0:0:0 (talk) 17:54, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
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Change type to Abrahamic?
Over at Talk:Christianity there has been some contention over whether Abrahamic or Universal religion is a better fit for Type in the Infobox. The primary justification for “universal religion” has been the fact it’s used here. But “Abrahamic” seems more notable for both. Thoughts? Jtrevor99 (talk) 18:54, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- "Abrahamic" is more familiar to me, I can say that much. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:13, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- Abrahamic is given its own descriptor in the classification line. I guess we should wait to see what the outcome of the discussion at the Christianity talk page is before making changes here. The debate is if "Universal religion" should be left in or not. Completely Random Guy (talk) 22:24, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- After recently cleaning up unreliable sources from Abrahamic religions, I realized that the term has a few more issues than it seems on the first glance. The term originates from Interfaith dialogue and entered academic discourse. However, the academic validity has also been criticized, for oversimplification.[1] While there are prominent similarities, such as Creatio ex nihilo[2] and veneration of a Creator-deity, there are also significant differences.
- Other similarities are only shared on the surface level. For example, all three feature Abraham, but the role ascribed to this figure is different. Both Islam and Christianity share the return of Jesus, but while in Islam, it is more or less an aggadic narrative featuring some end-time battles with barely to no theological significance at all, in Christianity it is a closure of the history of mankind (as per Christian teachings). Other concepts often mistakenly considered "typical Abrahamic", like hell, are not even precisely Abrahamic at all (Karmic religions do feature hell as well, whereas Judaism not necessarily).
- Besides these "intra-religious" differences, there also has been objection from an ethno-historical perspective. Islam, as a religion spread through Asia is also an Asia religion, not (only) a religion surrounding the Mediterranean Sea.[3] Christianity spread across Europe and incorporated European ideas, whereas Islam assimilated to Asian ideas as it spreads. Judaism is a unique situtation again, given that this is also an ethnic religion.
- By using the the classification "Abrahamic", we allow judgement over theological features, which is something up to the theologicans and the adherences of the religion. Same as using "karmic" (as I did above), when not speaking about a religion featuring Karma. For example (and this is only an example), when I believe in Buddhism but not Karma, does this form of Buddhism stops being Buddhism? Classifying religions according to features (in this case the figure of "Abraham" and associated beliefs, often even subject to dispute within one of these three religions themselves) comes witht he issue of being prescriptive rather than descriptive. The label "Universal religion", on the other hand, explains very well how the religion operated over centuries (and thus, gained reliablitiy). In contrast, Judaism is an ethnic religion. We often see that Judaism does not entirely fit into the same classifications of Christianity and Islam and has a lot of unique traits, but due to similar mythologies and the label "Abrahamic", it is assumed they are equal in most matters.
- Terminology such as "Universalistic" is actually used then discussing the classifications of religions, as for example, here: A Matter of Class: Taxonomies of Religion Author(s): Jonathan Z. Smith Source: The Harvard Theological Review , Oct., 1996, Vol. 89, No. 4 (Oct., 1996), pp. 387- 403 Published by: Cambridge University Press on behalf of the Harvard Divinity School" and (although pretty old, yet good in regards to classifications I suppose) "THE CLASSIFICATION OF RELIGIONS Author(s): Durin J. H. Ward Source: The Monist , OCTOBER, 1908, Vol. 18, No. 4 (OCTOBER, 1908), pp. 544-575 Published by: Oxford University Press". I would suggest to go with terminology actually describing the religion, instead of referring or implying certain theological elements. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 02:44, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- I'll note that the parameter Classification is, per the template's documentation, intended for "Christianity", "Islam", "Buddhism", etc. when discussing branches, sects or denominations. It's not intended for this. Type is a valid (but undocumented) parameter that might be a better fit, but either way, I'd recommend removing Classification entirely from this and other major religions' Infoboxes per the discussion regarding the same topic on Talk:Christianity. It should only be used for subpages. Jtrevor99 (talk) 03:39, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- Is there an overall discussion going on somewhere? Since I think it might be beneficial to clear up the wrong usage of this template. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 18:59, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- Not currently, no. On the template itself would probably be the best place for one, honestly. Jtrevor99 (talk) 21:50, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- If you were about to start one, feel free to ping me along with other participants in these recent discussions. I want to do my best to provide input as soon as I feel to have the time for participating. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 22:37, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- Looks like it was taken care of while I was offline for a RL event! Thanks for your interest though. Jtrevor99 (talk) 13:33, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- If you were about to start one, feel free to ping me along with other participants in these recent discussions. I want to do my best to provide input as soon as I feel to have the time for participating. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 22:37, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- Not currently, no. On the template itself would probably be the best place for one, honestly. Jtrevor99 (talk) 21:50, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- Is there an overall discussion going on somewhere? Since I think it might be beneficial to clear up the wrong usage of this template. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 18:59, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- I'll note that the parameter Classification is, per the template's documentation, intended for "Christianity", "Islam", "Buddhism", etc. when discussing branches, sects or denominations. It's not intended for this. Type is a valid (but undocumented) parameter that might be a better fit, but either way, I'd recommend removing Classification entirely from this and other major religions' Infoboxes per the discussion regarding the same topic on Talk:Christianity. It should only be used for subpages. Jtrevor99 (talk) 03:39, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- The term "universal" religion is very subjective. African spirituality, Hinduism, etc are all universal, as they have followers from various parts of the world. Abrahamic religions on the other hand is more objective as per sources as it is specifically about the 3 religions (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam) which derived from Abraham - according to the followers of those religions. Many people know what you mean when you use the term Abrahamic religions. Using universal on the other hand may confuse the general reader.Tamsier (talk) 13:26, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- The problem with Abrahamic is that it is more or less a term for comparative religion and interreligious discourse, not a strict academic definition (For example, Manichaeism would be included as well, but noone would use the term for it for obvious reasons). Hence, the term Abrahamic is contextual. The term universal religion, on the other hand, is jargon. Of course, this is less known for laymen, but we have the sister project "simple Wikipedia" for "simple langauge". The term universal religion is used for religions applying universal concepts, such as "evil", "objective morality", etc. It has nothing to do with the numbers or distributations of adherences. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 16:02, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ Bakhos, Carol. The Family of Abraham: Jewish, Christian, and Muslim Interpretations. Harvard University Press, 2014.
- ^ Burrell, David B., et al., eds. Creation and the God of Abraham. Cambridge University Press, 2010. p. 25-39
- ^ Schubel, Vernon James. "Teaching Islam as an Asian Religion." EDUCATION ABOUT ASIA 10.1 (2005).
Picture depicting Prophet Mohammed should be removed
The picture depicting Muhammad leading Abraham, Moses, Jesus and other prophets in prayer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam#/media/File:Medieval_Persian_manuscript_Muhammad_leads_Abraham_Moses_Jesus.jpg User583489 (talk) 16:58, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Why? Seems a reasonable part of that section per MOS:IMAGES. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:52, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- It is considered bad in Islam to depict any prophets or God (or other major figures) that you do not know what they look like. 2600:1700:81D8:16A0:54AB:4E67:9E6:1B2D (talk) 22:41, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- This is not an Islamic encyclopedia, and the prohibitions of Islam have no influence on Wikipedia. Cullen328 (talk) 22:45, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Additionally, both WP:NPOV and WP:IMGCONTENT make clear Wikipedia requires a neutral point of view and allows encyclopedic images even when shocking to some. Jtrevor99 (talk) 22:47, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
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Dear Author, I respect your conditions and rules.I am also an author who writes religious, scientific text explanaition. When I am writting this leeter to you this is wednesday, May29, 2024. I request you to permite me to revise this texts and insert some more reliable sources.
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Comments on Islam
- Islam is not Abrahamic but independent Arabian religion founded by muhammad it is influenced and have elements of Judaism Zoroastrianism Christianity and arabian paganism. 2404:3100:140B:F41F:6BF8:C0CD:F09B:84A9 (talk) 12:33, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- It is mohammedanism because it was founded by muhammad every monotheistic religion is founded by a founder and known with it's name for example Zoroastrianism Baha'i babism many more and islam word it self means peace which submission word it will make every body muslim because all religions submit to God so it make nonsense muhammad itself was first muslim not adam 2404:3100:140B:F41F:6BF8:C0CD:F09B:84A9 (talk) 12:44, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Islam came from arabian polytheism muhammad parents were polytheistic 2404:3100:140B:F41F:6BF8:C0CD:F09B:84A9 (talk) 12:46, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: Please use reliable sources to propose clear, specific changes to specific sections of the article. Jtrevor99 (talk) 19:22, 4 June 2024 (UTC)