Talk:Ivan Golunov

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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 22:38, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

Ivan Golunov

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• ... that when Russian investigative journalist Ivan Golunov was arrested on false drug charges in June 2019, the resulting outcry from public figures and Russian news outlets led to his release after just four days? Many sources, including: "Ivan Golunov: Charges against Russian anti-corruption journalist dropped following outcry". Sky News
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Created by Kirill Samredny (talk) and Alexander Davronov (talk). Nominated by Anomalous+0 (talk) at 14:45, 15 June 2019 (UTC).

• This article is new enough and long enough. The hook facts are cited inline, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright or plagiarism issues. No QPQ needed here. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:10, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

• Hi, I came by to promote this, but I find the article very one-sided and hardly start-class. It seems to have been written for the express purpose of reporting a news story. I removed the POV language and would like to see some response from the police, not just that they were forced to back down. If more information about the subject, Golunov, is not available and he is in fact a WP:1E subject, you may want to rename the page for a broader study of the arrests and allegations of police abuse of power. Yoninah (talk) 20:41, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

• It has been over 3 weeks since my post. If these issues are not addressed by August 20, this nomination will be closed as unsuccessful. Yoninah (talk) 00:28, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

• @Yoninah: Hi! Thanks for your efforts and attention. I believe we can close this nomination safely. The article still needs additional polishing, fixing some things, and adding others.

may want to rename the page

The subject's (Golunov) case was primarily documented to make a record of at least one case of a long range of serious rights violations related to made-up drug-charges in Russia. The case drew a lot attention from the public and may not be overlooked. I would be good basis to refer to when writing article about Human Rights situation in Russia generally.

and would like to see some response from the police

Well the police dropped charges due to lack of credible evidences and there is also continuing investigation against cops. So there is almost nothing to say about that. Except of course that 2 colonels were fired after reveal of fake charges. DAVRONOVA.A. ✉ ⚑ 15:25, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

• @Alexander Davronov: OK, I looked at it again and did some editing to bring it up to start-class. The only problem I see is the referencing. This is not the Russian Wikipedia; the sources should be formatted with "trans-title" titles so we English speakers can understand what they say. I formatted some of the English ones. Please see WP:Citation templates. Yoninah (talk) 18:20, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

• @Yoninah: the sources should be formatted Yeah I know. I've primarily contributed to the preamble and didn't touch the rest of the article. Almost all sources I've used are in English. The rest of the article was written by another Russian guy who used Russian sources. I hope he will fix the rest. DAVRONOVA.A. ✉ ⚑ 07:35, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Yoninah, it looks like Reidgreg has just added trans_title to a number of the sources. One of the article's creators, Kirill Samredny, was blocked as a multi-sock last month, so we should expect nothing further from that editor. Where do things stand now? BlueMoonset (talk) 20:44, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

• The article looks in ok shape now (thanks to Reidgreg for the citation work). But the hook fact is not mentioned or sourced in the article. The newspapers may draw a connection between the public outcry and his release, but I think we need a stronger source for that. Perhaps an alternative hook could be written that is mentioned and sourced on the page. Yoninah (talk) 23:04, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

• I came to possibly suggest another hook, but the article seems to almost entirely be about his case and the reaction to it, and there are only two sentences about his personal life. Is there no other known information about him? Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 11:58, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

* @Narutolovehinata5: Is there no other known information about him? There are only Russian sources. Checkout here for instance. DAVRONOVA.A. ✉ ⚑ 13:22, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

• I've expanded some detail on Golunov's history in the article using Russian and English sources. How about this as a hook? Spokoyni (talk) 17:07, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that just prior to his arrest in 2019, investigative journalist Ivan Golunov was examining the links between Moscow funeral businesses and the Federal Security Service? In Russian: [1], translation "On 1 July more than 30 publications in Russia and other countries simultaneously published an investigation by Ivan Golunov about ... the relationship of the funeral business with the capital's FSB department ... the draft [of which] Golunov handed over on the day of his arrest." and in English [2] "Spooks, skeletons and boys from Stavropol: The story that made journalist Ivan Golunov a target for the FSB: Sensitive investigation shows links between top security officers and mafia groups controlling Russia’s funeral industry"

• Excellent work, Spokoyni. I have added you to the DYK creation credits. ALT1 is hooky, foreign-language source AGF, and cited inline. Rest of review per Cwmhiraeth. ALT1 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 16:25, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

• Adding Reidgreg to the co-creation credits for picking up where the nominator left off and formatting the citations. Yoninah (talk) 16:27, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Aw, shucks, just a little gnomish cleanup to help move things forward. – Reidgreg (talk) 12:55, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Original research

Have to admit that the current state of the article contains some original research. DAVRONOVA.A. ✉ ⚑ 21:17, 4 November 2019 (UTC)