Talk:Jacob Collier

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Shouldn't it be mentioned in the article that the mastering of Jacob Colliers Album was made by Bernie Grundman https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CckSQ_5UkAAmrFk?format=jpg&name=large who had e.g. mastered Michael Jackson Thriller and Prince Purple Rain http://www.berniegrundmanmastering.com/engineers/grundman.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eifelochse (talk • contribs) 06:29, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

Not if it hasn't been noted by a secondary source. NewkirkPlaza (talk) 23:07, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

already put in with secondary source referenceEifelochse (talk) 21:21, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

why is there a citation needed for "millions of views ? https://www.youtube.com/user/jacobcolliermusic/about shows 20,379,263 views. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tomschuring (talk • contribs) 09:45, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Should we add a cathegory about "Negative Harmony" here or create an article about it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aggressive Dunmer (talk • contribs) 13:02, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Should his birth year and date not be here? Starting the article off?

Father's name and identity?

A persistent editor keeps adding "Patrick Moriarty" as Jacob's father, claiming he is an amateur musician. While this might actually be true, no WP:RS has been provided, and a quick websearch turns up only mirrors of Wikipedia. Can anybody resolve this one way or another? Reify-tech (talk) 00:31, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

If I remember correctly, I've removed it before as there is no citation. For something like that we need a good ref. -Roxy, the dog. wooF 17:10, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Roxy the dog and Reify-tech, the only thing I have found is [1] which dates to 2014, the other source [2] I found dates 2019 (so could be taking from this article). I am sure that a Jacob Moriarty was in the musical A Christmas Carol from 2014 (Rotten Tomatoes). Jacob Collier is legally called Jacob Collier for the purposes of his record label, as his record label company is legally registered to himself under the name Jacob Collier (Companies House), however, you can change your legal name relatively easy in the UK.

I can see that the one source from 2014 has not been modified since 2014 (this is according to the Wordpress metadata for this particular page). This can be found in the head section of the source code of the website. It reads <meta property="article:modified_time" content="2014-11-26T20:54:47+00:00">. Since Wordpress stores the last modification time in a database, and for someone to change this they would have to change values in the database, someone doing this seems far-fetched and I would be happy to say that this source was last modified in 2014. The question now is if the source in question is reliable enough for Wikipedia. If it is, then we can say that Jacob Collier played Tiny Tim and so then by extension is also Jacob Moriarty (according to Rotten Tomatoes). I am happy with its trustworthiness, but if another editor disagrees I am happy to discuss, especially because as it concerns birth names on a BLP. For now I will readd the birth name and use both sources (rotten tomatoes and the wordpress website source). Dreamy Jazz 🎷 ^{talk to me | my contributions} 23:56, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

A blog is totally unsuitable for sourcing anything in a BLP, so dont. -Roxy, the dog. Esq. wooF 00:04, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Roxy the dog, I see what you mean. I'll keep hunting for sources. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 ^{talk to me | my contributions} 00:08, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Roxy the dog the current source used to support the information that Collier is in A Christmas Carol ([3]) was added by Deb. If this source is reliable then this source could substitute the blog. What do you think of that source?

Also if that one isn't good enough, the Ottawa Jazz Festival say that he played as Tiny Tim in that movie ([4]). Because they say he was eight, we can use his birth date to work out that they meant the 2004 film. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 ^{talk to me | my contributions} 00:17, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

You'll need to stop doing WP:OR and WP:SYNTH in order to source that. Is the name of his father an essential part of the article on him? I don't think so, and I will certainly insist on a decent source. -Roxy, the dog. Esq. wooF 00:25, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

He definitely was in "A Christmas Carol", because I've seen an interview with him where he talked about it. I think it may be on Youtube. And clips from the adaptation show him clearly and you can see it's him. Deb (talk) 09:15, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

I've found a newspaper article by the Arab Times that supports the birth name (see at pressreader [5]). It is a published news story (and not a blog) as it was checked by an editor and published. I think that this newspaper is reliable enough and the author is too, as he is (or was in Jan 2018) the chairman of the Kuwait Chamber Philharmonia. I will add the information back using this source. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 ^{talk to me | my contributions} 14:04, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Roxy the dog I would appreciate your opinion on the newspaper. I couldn't see any issues with the article, the author or the newspaper. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 ^{talk to me | my contributions} 14:27, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

I couldn’t find anything about his father. What do you want to use that source for? Roxy, the dog. Esq. wooF 14:54, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Roxy the dog, his birth name. Not his fathers name. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 ^{talk to me | my contributions} 15:03, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

I see we have been talking at slight odds, which is my mistake. I am sourcing his birth name, not his fathers name. I wasn't able to find anything about his father, so have only started sourcing his birth name. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 ^{talk to me | my contributions} 15:04, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

I see you’ve put his birth name in, based on a rather weak source. I think that doing that is a really shitty thing to do. Roxy, the dog. Esq. wooF 15:11, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Roxy the dog, so you think the newspaper is a weak source? In what way, is it the author or the newspaper? I would argue that the author, being the chair of a national orchestra (Kuwait) gives him credibility. Also that his article has been checked by editors which would have fact checked, and that the article was published. I would argue that the Newspaper is used in Wikipedia on many articles (found by searching for "Arab Times" in Special:Search and looking for pages where the find is in a source) so it is likely that editors trust this newspaper enough to add it, and the newspaper not listed as an unreliable source on Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources. I am not aware of any other unreliable sources list on Wikipedia.

On a separate note, his birth name has been in the article without a source since the article was created, and from what I can see his birth name in the infobox had not been removed from the article until I did (diff). I was contesting that the information was correct and wanted to find a source for it. I planned to remove his birth name from the infobox until I felt that I had found a source that was good enough. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 ^{talk to me | my contributions} 21:11, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

I think it's clear the Arab Times source is an instance of WP:CITOGENESIS where they directly copied unsourced statements from this very Wikipedia article (in particular I find their wording to be quite reminiscent of Wikipedia-style summaries). Was unable to corraborate this in any non-Wikipedia-derived sources. – Thjarkur (talk) 09:42, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

What

• The Hell.69.216.101.196 (talk) 02:26, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Should also check out these -> 1 2 3 104.167.144.250 (talk) 02:46, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Disproportionate infobox and photo

As of this writing, the infobox and photo are way too large, making the article look like an unencyclopedic fanboy puff piece. Compare this to the standard Wikipedia infoboxes and photos in the WP:Featured Articles on Bob Dylan, David Bowie, and Paul McCartney. I would fix it myself, but I can't figure out how the size is specified here. Reify-tech (talk) 22:44, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Reify-tech, Fixed. If you just specify the image filename instead of using the wikicode for images then the size is appropriate. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 ^{talk to me | my contributions} 23:08, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

I see what you changed. Thanks for fixing and explaining this obscure quirk! Reify-tech (talk) 23:25, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Upright violist

Why were there so many editors on 25 May 2020 trying to edit Wikipedia to label him an "upright violist" or variants thereof? I know Collier was on a stream at the time... did he crack a joke? Thank you to the editors who reverted disruptive edits and the editor who protected the page, in any case. —Shrinkydinks (talk) 21:30, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Shrinkydinks, just did a google search. Could only find https://www.reddit.com/r/JacobCollier/comments/gqkz83/viola_upright/. Dreamy Jazz ^{talk to me | my contributions} 21:45, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Shrinkydinks and Dreamy Jazz, at one point in the live stream, as a prize for reaching $20,000 in donations, Collier briefly played a viola upright on his lap. Noahfgodard (talk) 23:24, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

He had started learning to play the viola a week prior, and can only play it upright at the moment. Viewers found this comedic and edited the page :) Puppydog22 (talk) 17:37, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

In one of his latest singles he’s shown throughout the video playing upright bass. Gleeanon409 (talk) 20:56, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Gleeanon409 Upright bass is one of his primary instruments. Upright viola, on the other hand ... Noahfgodard (talk) 21:44, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

MARO

An IP-hopping editor is repeatedly removing mention of MARO in the article, and they refuse to communicate. Can someone else please weigh in here? Ionmars10 (talk) 16:43, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

She was part of the tour, so when the tour ist mentioned she should be mentioned as well. --Gereon K. (talk) 20:52, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

She also appears on Djesse Vol. 2, as well. Noahfgodard (talk) 15:31, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

New high quality sources

With Collier nominated for Grammys including Album of the Year, there've been a host of new high quality articles about him. These should probably find their way into the article soon.

• Wall Street Journal: "Grammys 2021: How Jacob Collier Became a Dark Horse Album of the Year Contender". "The genre-defying British musician has never cracked Billboard’s flagship album chart but is nominated for the most-coveted prize in an unusual year" https://www.wsj.com/articles/grammys-2021-how-jacob-collier-became-a-dark-horse-album-of-the-year-contender-11615388278?page=1
• New York Times: Jacob Collier is a Staggering Musical Prodigy—with Strangely Mundane Songs" https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/03/10/magazine/jacob-collier.html
• Billboard: "Why All Your Favorite Artists Love Album of the Year Nominee Jacob Collier". "With a mentor in Quincy Jones, co-signs from R&B’s cool kids and now a game-changing Grammy nod, the 26-year-old polymath leads a pack of refreshingly unexpected nominees." https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/awards/9536143/jacob-collier-grammy-album-of-the-year-interview/
• The Sunday Times: "Jacob Collier, the modern-day Mozart tipped for record Grammy haul". "Multi-instrumentalist Londoner in line to outdo Bowie and the Beatles at Grammys" https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jacob-collier-the-modern-day-mozart-tipped-for-record-grammy-haul-gh3lcwrt8

—Shrinkydinks (talk) 07:23, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Unreliable sources

This article tries to use sources which Wikipedia has declared unreliable: YouTube, Apple Music or any retail site, Facebook, Instagram, or other social media.
Vmavanti (talk) 18:21, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment, I tried to clean up the article by removing all social media sources (Early Life and Career sections, there might be more). Skimel (talk) 20:12, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Are his two EPs compilations?

I was wondering, just considering that his two EPs released in December of 2020, have no original content - would they be considered compilations rather than EPs? Or just EPs? I'm not quite sure the difference in this context. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rundownauniverse (talk • contribs) 23:50, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

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