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In editing the Wikipedia we should strive for a neutral point of view, WP:NPOV. I don't think that the use of the word "terrorists" in this article, as currently written (22 July 2018), complies with that policy. As is pointed out at the Wiktionary definition: The use of the label "terrorist" is often controversial or subjective, since one person's terrorist may be another's "freedom fighter", and vice versa depending on somebody's personal ideology or beliefs. Admittedly the Encyclopedia Britannica calls them "terrorist training centres" in its article on the Ustasa, here. But primarily they were militia training camps. It is definitely a fact that Ustashe from these camps planted bombs on trains headed into Jugoslavia. And there is no doubt at all that the Ustashe was a fascist, racist, and ultranationalist organization. And according to the Goldstein source Ante Pavelić expressly intended to induce terror as a tool of Croatian insurgency. It is a very fine line. --Bejnar (talk) 07:46, 22 July 2018 (UTC)Reply
Thank you Bejnar for raising this issue. This topic is a sensitive issue and especially for any topics related to the Former Yugoslavia, a very heated issue. However when compared to modern terrorism, the Ustase are comparable to the practices of ISIS and not that of the PKK, FARC etc. If there was a thread of "freedom" they would be comparable to groups such as the PKK and FARC so hence would warrant an edit, however from the literature the Ustase were comparable and in fact worse than ISIS, hence an emphasis on the word "terrorist". I do agree, it is a very fine line --TryDeletingMe (talk) 22:48, 23 July 2018 (UTC)Reply
Well ... freedom for Croats from majority Serbs? I propose that the camps be described as "militia camps" where military skills and terrorist tactics were taught. --Bejnar (talk) 18:20, 24 July 2018 (UTC)Reply
I agree with Bejnar. WP:Terrorist is an important policy in these cases. The Ustashe was not similar to ISIL, both made many cruel actions, but those actions were different in nature, time and reasons. Ktrimi991 (talk) 18:38, 25 July 2018 (UTC)Reply