Talk:Japanese rock

Move back to J-Rock from Japanese rock

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was no move. -- tariqabjotu 01:18, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

I think the page name should be restored, or a discussion should take place on the naming of this article, as I rather think "J-Rock" is a very common moniker for this brand of music. 132.205.45.148 22:53, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

The current naming makes it inconsistent with Korean, Chinese, Hong Kong, Japanese music articles on Cantopop, C-pop, Mandopop, K-pop, for which J-Rock is contrasted against.

Survey

• Oppose. While "J-Rock" and several other abbreviations are rather often used, they are abbreviation no less. Hence their articles and related categories should be titled with the full terms respecively, as it has been done with many other musical genres (i.e. EBM and NWOBHM) and every article linked in the World rock template (save for the one in question). Of course, redirecting articles for the abbreviations should always remain in place. Again, my apologies for my rather reckless approach. - Cyrus XIII, 2:15, September 2nd 2006 (CET)
• Oppose. I think it might just barely qualify as a most-common-name (and I am usually solidly behind that convention) but in this case I think it's clearly a nickname that despite wide currency is recognized as such. We don't have articles named J.Lo or A-Rod, because in the grander scheme we know that those are just jargon used in certain contexts and not in formal ones. --Dhartung | Talk 13:18, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose per Dhartung. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 23:32, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Discussion

As the discussion has died and the opinions seem unanimous, I've removed the proposed move notice. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 16:43, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

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The Alfee

As they've been around since 1973, and are one of the more well known bands in Japan, I think we should include mention of them somewhere in the article. Anyone have any ideas where? ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 23:32, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Tagged for tone and lack of citations

The article employs a lot of unnecessary grandeur in its style (i.e. in the section headings) and does not reference any sources. The amount of actual information is also very scarce, compared to the pletora of artists mentioned in conjunction with it. Given the growing international popularity of this music, someone might be capapable of turing this into a well bodied and researched article. - Cyrus XIII, 12:09, September 16th 2006 (CET)

Seeing that over the past two months no efforts have been made to provide citations for any of the article's content, I have removed most of it (see WP:CITE, Any material that is challenged and for which no source is provided may be removed by any editor.). While this effectively reduces the article to a stub, this fresh start might provide the basis for an article up to Wikipedia policies. - Cyrus XIII 22:49, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Requested move 20 February 2018

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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 03:54, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

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Japanese rock → J-rock – This is mainly a move for consistency. All the other pages in the other languages refers to Japanese rock as J-Rock since that's what many in Japan use as well. It's similar to how the term J-Pop is used instead of Japanese pop music. Also, almost all of fans of Japanese rock also use J-rock including the biggest English language news outlet on J-rock, JROCK NEWS. KumaPanda (talk) 08:00, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose whatever fans and websites use books J-rock less than Books "Japanese rock" In ictu oculi (talk) 12:30, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose - Not all of the other wikis use J-rock like you claimed, this includes the Japanese article. According to Google Translate, the Japanese wiki article says the term came about only in the 1990s and did not catch on in Japan. That is three decades of domestic rock music without it ever being called J-rock. Either way, it is an abbreviation and therefore by definition is quicker and easier to type than "Japanese rock". So yeah, you're going to see it a lot. But to quote another editor in the old move discussion above, "We don't have articles named J.Lo or A-Rod, because in the grander scheme we know that those are just jargon used in certain contexts and not in formal ones." Xfansd (talk) 21:47, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

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Adding Subgenres to Page

I would like to add some information about subgenres like grunge or pop-punk in their respective year to the page. Here are some sources I am going to draw from:

1. “Made in Japan: Studies in Popular Music” (book) Katsuya Minamida Published by Routledge 2014 2. “Za Kinkusu: Ray Davies and the Rise and Fall and Rise of Japanese Rock and Roll” By Michael K. Bourdaghs Published by Routledge in 2006 Popular Music and Society p Vol. 29, No. 2, May 2006 3. “Doin’ Our Thing”: Identity and Colonial Modernity in Okinawan Rock Music by James E. Roberson in Popular Music and Society Vol. 34, No. 5, December 2011 published by Routledge. 4. I Quit My Job for a Funeral the Mourning and Empowering of a Japanese Rock Star by Carolyn S. Stevens. In The Making of Saints: Contesting Sacred Ground Chapter 9. THE UNIVERSITY OF ALABAMA PRESS 2005 5. 3. “Not-so-big in Japan: Western pop music in the Japanese market” article by Guy De Launey, Popular Music, Volume 14, Issue 2, May 1995 Publisher: Cambridge Press https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/popular-music/article/abs/notsobig-in-japan-western-pop-music-in-the-japanese-market/C745CD238ED8DB2107B680CC4058FB0E KhannaatUofU (talk) 02:15, 30 October 2023 (UTC)