Talk:Jarawas (Andaman Islands)

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Jarawa, La Rencontre Interdite

Duration: 1 hour and 9 minutes.

Quelques-uns sont restés totalement isolés et hostiles dans les îlots les plus reculés des îles Andaman, un archipel montagneux du golfe du Bengale, d'autres viennent tout juste d'entrer en contact avec ce qu'il est convenu d'appeler la « civilisation ». Les Jarawa risquent, dans un avenir proche, de se voir parqués. Au début des années 90, l'auteur a entrepris clandestinement plusieurs tentatives d'approche de ce groupe humain. Il les retrouve en 2003 et réussit à partager leur quotidien. La pression des autorités indiennes menace de détruire les derniers Négritos de l'Asie, emportant avec eux l'un des grands mystères du peuplement humain : les premiers habitants de l'Asie du Sud seraient noirs Réalisation : Patrick Bernard, 2002 Dans la collection « Les voix de l'oubli. Chroniques des derniers chasseurs-cueilleurs » Pays : France.

Let's begin in-place translation here, then move whatever is useful into the article.-- Jmabel | Talk 21:59, Dec 10, 2004 (UTC)

Jarawa, La Rencontre Interdite

Duration: 1 hour and 9 minutes.

Some are a totally isolated and hostile remnant in the most isolated islets of the Andaman Islands, a mountainous archipelago in the Bay of Bengal, others have just entered in contact with that which it is conventional to call "civilization". The Jarawa risk, in the near future, de se voir parqués. At the beginning of the 1990s, the author tried clandestinely and tentatively to approach this group. He finds them in 2003 et réussit to share their daily life. The pressure of the Indian authorities threatens to destroy the last Négritos in Asia, taking with them one of the great mysteries of human population: the first inhabitants of South Asia were Blacks.

Réalisation : Patrick Bernard, 2002 from the collection « Les voix de l'oubli. Chroniques des derniers chasseurs-cueilleurs » ("The voices of the forgotten. Chronicles of the last hunter-gatherers") Country : France.

Tsunami

An interesting item on NPR this morning implied that the Jarawa had a 100% survival rate in the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake: somehow, they knew or sensed what was coming, and all headed for the upland jungle. The story related to fly-by checks by the Indian Air Force, so it could easily be exaggerated (how would they know it was 100%? How would they know what the Jarawa did to survive?). I'm not putting that in the article just on the basis of "I heard it on the radio", but someone may want to follow up on this. -- Jmabel | Talk 18:57, Jan 6, 2005 (UTC)

Reports like this seem to be from folks who really don't know what they are talking about. They want to assign natives with little or no contact with the modern world great wisdom for reasons that don't make sense. I am not saying the natives are stupid or fools. Just that like all humans, they are going to be running the gambit of dumb to very smart folks.

The reason that a lot of these native groups survived is really quite simple. These are groups of people who have choosen to not have much (if any) contact with the modern world. Well, on these islands, where for example the Jarawa share their island with people from the modern world... guess where they live? They live pretty much as far inland as you can get on these islands, while the folks from the modern world live on the coasts. Now who do you think is going to die from the Tsunami? That would be the people living on the coasts. Those living inland, quite naturually, are living on higher ground and avoided the brunt of the catastrophe. So, naturally, they lived through it. --68.164.29.116 05:26, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Actually, there were few deaths over the whole of the Andamans, indigenous and non-indigenous alike, when compared to the more low-lying Nicobars - about 60 all told, versus about 3500 for the Nicobars. True enough, the Jarawa live (and always seem to have preferred to live, before the Indian colonists came) mostly in inland regions, and are situated on the western (ie, the leeside) of the island. A similar tale was told about the remnants of Great Andamanese people, numbering about 50 who live on Strait I, off the eastern coast of Great Andaman - this is more exposed and low-lying, perhaps that original radio report confused the two.--cjllw | TALK 08:09, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Anthropologists have spoken to the Onge to find out how they survived the Tsunami (It was initially expected that none would have survived due to their location). They were told that tradition tells that the land and sea are always fighting to decide boundaries. On the day of the tsunami the trees shook so the islanders knew the spirits were angry over something. Later they saw changes in the clouds and water so knew the sea was going to enter the jungle and mix with the land until the new boundaries were decided upon. The native tribes all went to high ground before the first wave arrived. It is suspected that none of the indiginous tribes that live traditionally lost anyone. Wayne (talk) 14:11, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

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Note: {{WP India}} Project Banner with Andaman and Nicobar Islands workgroup parameters was added to this article talk page because the article falls under Category:Andaman and Nicobar Islands or its subcategories. Should you feel this addition is inappropriate , please undo my changes and update/remove the relavent categories to the article -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 05:41, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I have brought back into balance a very biased take on the impact of tourism by user Seriousmatters —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.193.2.237 (talk) 09:44, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Recent changes - July 2009

I reverted undos made by user at IP 117.193.2.239 to my recent updates to the article. I had included information about an important court case regarding the situation of the Jarawa, and I had provided a citation for this. No reason seems to have been given for their removal by that user. Seriousmatters (talk) 11:59, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I have reverted more undos from users 62.49.26.205 and 82.69.73.126 and initiated discussion with them on the matter at their talk pages (given below) to ascertain their reasoning. I still feel that the information they are removing is both relevant and well-referenced.

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Seriousmatters (talk) 11:02, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

I have continued to make more revisions whilst simultaneously initiating discussion with relevant editors about those changes on their personal talk pages. I have so far received no reply. The following edit, detailed in the note below to user 82.69.73.126, is still subject to discussion. Perhaps discussing it here will highlight the debate.

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"Dear user 82.69.73.126

I am hoping that we can discuss a resolution to the changes we seem to be making against each other. You seem keen to remove information detailed below, despite its pertinence to the present situation of the Jarawa.

In section: Impact of tourism

"The situation is likely to deteriorate due to a luxury resort recently opened on the Islands. The Indian travel company Barefoot has established a resort near the Jarawa reserve. The development is the subject of a recent court case brought by Andaman authorities who want to stop the resort, and appealed against a Calcutta High Court ruling allowing it to go ahead."

Having read about this recent situation, and in light of previous instances of contagion involving relatively isolated tribal people, it seems important to note this substantial change in the Jarawa's environment. It is also a case which seems to be attracting more attention and the Jarawa reserve is right at the heart of it.

Thanks."

Seriousmatters (talk) 11:22, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Edit ping-pong has begun with IP 196.201.218.77 who seems not to respond to their talk page and is making exactly the same changes as other IPs noted above.

Seriousmatters (talk) 09:27, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

I have brought back into balance a very biased take on the impact of tourism by user Seriousmatters —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.184.153.133 (talk) 07:06, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

It appears that both Seriousmatters and Rectorific have a fixed agenda which is based on unverified conjecture from Survival International and, since it is defamatory towards a well reputed business entity, their posts against the entity should be removed and/or the counter argument as voiced by the local media (Light of Andaman) must stand to provide a balanced perspective. In the absence of this, this webpage becomes but a propoganda tool for people (Seriousmatters and Rectorific) and/or the organistaion(s) behind them —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.174.100.148 (talk) 08:29, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

There should be some explanation (with citations) as to why contact from tourists is more dangerous than contact from anthropologists: "All contact, especially with tourists, remains extremely dangerous to the Jarawa due to the risk of disease"

Much of the article seems to assume that there is a "right" way to contact uncontacted people. 208.68.128.53 (talk) 19:31, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

References

Repeated Statements (sometimes poorly added) without source

The following few sentences occur frequently in the article:

KEY CONCERNS : Change in food habits and introduction of addictives such as tobacco and alocohol

Intrusion of poachers into Jarawa Reserve for removing natural resources like wild pig, fish, crab, wood and honey. These intrusions often result in violent encounters.

Ongoing sexual exploitation of Jarawa women. In one case, a Jarawa woman was raped inside the GB Pant Hospital, Port Blair. In another case Jarawa woman was raped by two tribal welfare male staff.

However, I don't see any sources cited. Also, the information is in some places poorly integrated into the sentence structure or topic of the surrounding text. Note that some phrases are typed as sentences but do not follow the structure of a sentence. Does this article need a header that it makes claims without sources cited?

64.101.158.211 (talk) 17:21, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Name Change?

http://www.andaman.org/BOOK/originals/Justin/art-justs.htm

Based on the information on this page, it appears that the indigenous name for the "Jarawa" has been discovered: "Ung". Shouldn't we re-name the people, language, and disambiguation pages? InFairness (talk) 23:14, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

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Please read and update Sentinelese and jarawa articles

Please read this report, and read and update Sentinelese and jarawa articles accordingly specially the dangers of contact including the oft ignored dangers posed by the erratic badly managed and poorly documently anthropological missions and settlers e.g. alcohol, tobacco, drugs, commercial and sexual exploitation. Thanks. 222.164.212.168 (talk) 07:40, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

And this https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/1509987/Stone-Age-tribe-kills-fishermen-who-strayed-on-to-island.html

Zezen (talk) 09:32, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Quarry

What exactly is Quarry meant to mean in this sentence, it makes no sense at all?

"As the Jarawas are a nomadic tribe, they hunt endemic wild pigs, monitor lizards and other quarry with bows and arrows." IAmTheCoinMan (talk) 08:20, 8 February 2019 (UTC)