Talk:Jason Bourne

Wrong Birth Information

I deleted the date of birth for David Webb and his place of birth. The DOB was absolutely wrong, unless that was written for the movie version of Jason Bourne (Matt Damon born in 1970). Since Bourne had a part in the Vietnam war in Medusa there was no way he could have been born in 1971. K1Bond007 20:45, Sep 17, 2004 (UTC)

Webb was born 9/13/70. The birthday 4/15/71 was the "code" birthday to identify the address of the training facility in the movie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deersrocks (talk) 21:45, 13 October 2007‎ (UTC)

Vietnam war ended in 1975. If he was born in 1970 (or 1971), he'd be only 5 years old by that time. How could he possibly work as a FSO and had a wife and two children. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dhanakorn (talk) 18:02, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

The character from the books seems to be distinct from the character in the movies. Obviously, according to the book, he was born much before the 1970s. However, I just watched the Bourne Supremacy, and they list his DoB as 4/15/1971. Brent (talk) 13:22, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

The movie and the book's are totally two different stories. To merge the whole page it had to be done like this, at least this is my vision in this. And not only that, also Mr. Greengrass has explained this more or less in this trilogy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.211.119.83 (talk) 21:03, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

In the film The Bourne Identity, while Jason Bourne was in the swiss bank, his American passport shows that his date of birth is August 21, 1969. 41.248.17.242 (talk) 20:40, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't make sense for him to be born in '69, '70, or '71, and have a wife and children who are killed by a stray bomb loosed in the Vietnam war. I haven't read the novels, but clearly some has confused either the time line or the cause of death. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.107.77.6 (talk) 16:18, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

The Bourne in the books was born somewhere around 1945, give or take a few years. The plot of the film and relevant character details deviate drastically from the novels. Manning (talk) 18:10, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

His birth date is different depending on which source it happens to be, his CIA profile says it is September 13, 1970. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.76.18.100 (talk) 03:15, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Double-entendre?

Is the character named 'Bourne' to form a play on "borne identity" for the first novel title? This seems noteworthy if true. 149.159.92.56 04:00, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I've only read the first two, but so far it's worked for them. In the first he has a "born identity" (this one is obvious) as Jason Bourne. In the second he transforms from David Webb - pratically average joe to Jason Bourne, former-spy/assassin and thus uses the "Bourne supremacy" etc to accomplish his goal. I'm sure it's debatable how else it can be percieved for the second one. By the way, I kinda replied thinking you meant it had a "double meaning" --> A double-entendre usually means that the second meaning is more risque, in this case the answer is uhh no. K1Bond007 05:29, Feb 14, 2005 (UTC)

I think it is like K1Bond007 says, The first is based around him discovering his identity, the second about a battle of sorts in his head for supremacy (think of the mental battles he is going through, and what he is like at the start of the third book), the thrid book ultimatum is just that, the "final fight" if you will, with Carlos... As for Legacy again that title is to do with his "legacy" or, more commonly how his Children are his legacy... Help plz 12:15, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

The real name?

I'm pretty sure his real name is Scott Webb and not David Webb. I don't remember but i think the name David Webb was the name he took later in the books or in the movies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.0.189.107 (talk) 14:32, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

No, it is definitely David. The Bourne Identity ends with the line "Hello David". Google it. K1Bond007 16:18, May 25, 2005 (UTC)

Now I understand. Apparently, in the Hebrew dubbed version which I read it was changed.I now realize that because the book ended with the same line only with a different name. In my version, his brother's name was Gordon, was that an altered name too? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.0.189.107 (talk) 18:22, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

I haven't read it in so long, I just remembered that last line. I don't recall Webb having a brother. Maybe he did... I don't know.. K1Bond007 18:40, May 25, 2005 (UTC)

His brother was the Major who was one of those killed at the Treadstone building in the first book. 70.49.242.3 (talk) 21:50, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

It surely is David Webb, Read the books and you'll find it there... HJvK (talk) 15:07, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Re-reading the book at the moment. The brother is Major Gordon Webb, killed as described above. Ma1cius (talk) 15:06, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Publication dates

My copy of The Bourne Identity says copyright 1975, not 1980. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.49.242.3 (talk) 19:48, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

It was 1980. I don't know what to tell you. See Ludlum's official website: [1]. K1Bond007 21:16, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

I had just glanced at the inside front page and saw 1975, but that's just the two newspaper articles quoted from in the book, which does say 1980. 70.49.242.3 (talk) 21:49, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Merging Cain (fictional character)

I believe that having a separate article for the Cain identity would be more useful than burying information about it exclusively in this article. If one were searching for information on Cain, it would be difficult to find in the middle of the entire Jason Bourne article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Whamilton (talk) 06:38, 2 August 2006

I think it should be merged. Who is likely to be looking for information on a false identity of Jason Bourne, who wouldn't come to the parts on Bourne and the novels first ? -- Beardo 13:31, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Definitely should be merged. K1Bond007 19:43, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

• Merge - Timrem 22:58, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

• Merge. Jlittlet 23:12, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

• Merge - but with redirect. :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 08:23, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

• Merge - I think this should certainly be merged as there are certainly more important literary and filmic Cains.

• Merge - Cain is for charley and Delta for cain... merge the sucker...

Fix Ultimatum Book Page

Some idiot decided to make The Bourne Ultimatum redirect to The Bourne Ultimatum (film) and I can't find a record of the original anywhere. If someone's got a copy please add it back. Scaper8 20:51, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, adhering to assuming good faith, it was probably just an accident that didn't get fixed, but the problem still stands. Scaper8 21:14, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Medusa and Treadstone 71 are not novels

Medusa and Treadstone 71 are not novels (afaik), but the Novels section makes it seem that way. Also, The Bourne Betrayal is coming out in June 2007 and needs to be added. BartonM 14:45, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

The Medusa and Treadstone 71 sections, currently described as back story for the whole Bourne franchise, should only really be considered as back story for the novels as Treadstone 71 in the novels is somewhat different from Treadstone in the film series. However, as currently detailed, the back story mixes details from the films with detail from the books. The attempted assassination of Nykwana Wombosi is purely an event from the film and has nothing to do with the attempt to stop Carlos, which is not part of the film back story. Ma1cius 14:52, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

It's 2009 so I'm pretty sure The Bourne Betrayal is not coming out in 07. First, it's Legacy, and then Betrayal, although I did hear that they're switching the order of the last two books. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.247.244.120 (talk) 21:27, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Move to Jason Bourne (character)

I'd like to move this page to Jason Bourne (character) and make Jason Bourne a disambiguation page linking to all parts of the Jason Bourne franchise and the character page, as in the Bourne disambiguation page. The rationale is to have a central "Jason Bourne" index page to link to, and to avoid duplication of the list of movies and novels as it is currently the case in Bourne (surname) and Bourne. Any objections? -- Ddxc (talk) 09:42, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

 Done. -- Ddxc (talk) 15:58, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Here's the thing... Jason Bourne is now just a skeleton disambig page. It really isn't necessary, as all of the links on that disambig could just as sanely be listed here. When I search "Jason Bourne," I for one wouldn't mind being linked directly here. It's not like someone would type Jason Bourne expecting to see "Bourne Identity," or any of the other links. Especially if all the links from that disambig. are replicated here under a "See Also" section, or otherwise listed. There was a proposal made in June on the Jason Bourne talk page to effectively have it redirect to this article, but nothing has happened with that so far. I just came across it searching for Jason Bourne since I'm watching Bourne Supremacy on DVD right now.

Any objections to bringing the disambig. material here (if not already,) and making the Jason Bourne entry redirect to this article? And I should note that if there isn't consensus here, than those of you who regularly edit here should probably close out the merge idea over there and remove the merge proposal here. LaughingVulcan 19:37, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

No discussion. Going to change the Jason Bourne template (which has all the Jason Bourne disambig material in it already,) then going to change Jason Bourne to a redirect to Jason Bourne (character). LaughingVulcan 23:52, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Work completed. Template edited, Jason Bourne now points to article page, Merge proposal template removed from this article. Thank you! LaughingVulcan 00:02, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

One week is not very long. The only people who would see that are only people who watchlist every single article they like, IOW, wikiaddicts. This excludes most people. The merger wasn't even listed at WP:PM, meaning even very frequent users (ie, people who access Wikipedia multiple times a week to edit) might not have seen it. Since this isn't an XfD, there's no centralized discussion. If you wanted more participation, you should have informed the related WikiProjects. WP Films is particularly active. 70.55.89.214 (talk) 09:18, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

No, it's not a particularly long time. But it was a proposal on the relevant Talk pages for some time, with no apparent objections. And FTR, I don't watchlist every page I like. I do Watchlist every page I do significant editing to, or that I want to keep up with concerning my editing. Hence my finding these comment in a rapid-fire fashion. Then I de-watchlist when I'm no longer willing to contribute, and/or think the edits I make won't be reverted or changed - or don't care if they are.

But Merge help and PM both state: a) No feedback or listing is required to execute a non-controversial merge, and b) The article had a Merge banner on it for a LOONNNNG time. Someone eventually needs to pull the trigger: Either merge, or pull the banners. I did it. If there is a genuine consensus to revert it, that is still fine. But I do want to see that consensus form, and do want any major rewrite proposal to be worked on instead of half-done and abandoned. LaughingVulcan 12:42, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Notability problems, too much plot summary

This article currently does not demonstrate the required notability of the subject (see WP:FICT). It could do so by citing coverage of the Jason Bourne character (not the movies) in reliable sources; for instance, a quick Google search turns up [2]. The article should really talk about these kinds of things (impact and reception in media), not so much the plot. Right now, the article is almost completely plot summary with no assertion of notability, which would basically qualify it for deletion. If someone could try to turn this into an encyclopedic article, that would be awesome! -- Lea (talk) 06:11, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Also, since the books and the movies are really different universes, it might make sense to make this article only about the movie character (which has probably gotten much more coverage than the book character). Or if there's enough material about the book character (which I kindof doubt), split it up into two articles. -- Lea (talk) 07:26, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Merger proposal

I suggest merging this page with Jason Bourne (character). // Fulkkari (talk) 10:52, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree.--Sugarcubez (talk) 10:01, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Another vote for merging Tassedethe (talk) 17:08, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Agree. I also believe there is no need for a disambiguation page for a list of media when it's already in the character page.--RealTNAFan (talk)

2:20, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, for the time being, it sounds like a good idea, until and unless somebody does the legwork to create a separate page for the franchise of Bourne as described above. If all the information here is in the article, then this page could just redirect to Jason Bourne (character). But it looks like nothing has been done yet with either idea. So I'll be bold and do it, depending on the links status. LaughingVulcan 19:28, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Add: Apparently the whole concept of creating this disambig came out of an earlier move to Jason Bourne (character). So I left word on that section, discussing the original move back in January. I'll let discussion there sit for a bit before doing anything myself. LaughingVulcan 19:40, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Add: There is nothing in this disambig page that isn't already in the Jason Bourne template. No discussion about it on either page. It's been long enough. So, here we go... LaughingVulcan 23:54, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

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Split

This article needs to be split. There should be a franchise article, since this article is a mess, combining franchise and character together. The character information is a mess in any case, because it's written from a novel POV, where the "backstory" makes no sense in relation to the movies. The "Novel" section actually involves only a portion of the novel based sections in the article. The film and novel characters either should be split or clearly delineated. There should be a novel series article, to complement the film series article. The Jason Bourne article _should_ be the franchise page, so the merge should be reversed and then rebuilt as a full article instead of a dab. 70.55.89.214 (talk) 09:09, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Strong Disagree. That's all well and fine, but that's apparently been a perennial proposal for awhile now, and nobody has apparently wanted to step up and write a full franchise page.

Jason Bourne was moved to here on 11 January, and became a dab. The dab contained no material not accessible by the Jason Bourne#Franchise section, and repeated/reinforced by the {{Jason Bourne}} template. It lasted in this condition, more or less, for eight months.

There have been great promises before of making a separate franchise vs. character article. If anything happened, I can't see it in the History. (Though willing to be proven wrong on this.)

On 16 May it was proposed to Merge Jason Bourne to Jason Bourne (character). Some talk was left on the Talk:Jason Bourne page. 3 editors agreed the merge should occur in May. Nothing apparently happened.

On 17 August I came along and noticed this while searching for Jason Bourne info while watching The Bourne Ultimatum (film). (Good film!) I left notes on both this page and on Talk:Jason Bourne. I waited 9 days for responses. NO RESPONSES.

On 26/27 August I made the changes, cleaned up both the Template, this Article, did some other checking of What Links and maybe other minor cleanup, and changed the disambig to a redirect.

Now, if you (or a group of Editors, whatever...) want to go ahead, write a whole article on the "Franchise" that is something more than a dab and is distinct enough from this Article to survive a Merge decision at AfD... be my guest! I'm not saying you can't do it. But I am saying that something more should happen than just undoing the work I did under an apparent consensus and then leaving things that way for some other editors to come along and "fix" again some other day.

Please understand, you're welcome to do as you feel. I have no real ownership in this, and no particular strong feelings about Bourne (although I like the films and books.) I'm just asking you to consider before undoing my work that there's more work to be done if you want your proposal to happen. And I'd say that, until someone works up a separate "Franchise" page, and shows what this article will look like afterwards, in a User sandbox, strong disagree. LaughingVulcan 23:00, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

There's a Bourne (film series) article, but no corresponding article for the novel series, and this article is a mess. That at least should be split, no? 70.51.9.124 (talk) 07:16, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Assuming there's enough material to justify it, why not?  ;) BTW, in spite of my long winded reply above (I tend towards those... :O ): If someone wants to go to the effort of making a franchise page, I have no objection to that. I just don't want to see the dab restored under the good idea of making a franchise page, only to see the work half-done and in such an unfinished state that it's not enyclopedic in style or tone.

I also (in passing) wonder how much stew can be made from the Bourne oyster without secondary sourcing.

As to this article, I think a good chunk of the confusion comes from the "Backstory" section. Would it help to take the Backstory section and split it under each franchised section? (i.e. Under Novels, have a "Novels Backstory," and under Films have a, "Film Backstory"? If really ambitious, leave in the "Backstory" section those details which are common to both, and then under each specific section write up the contrasts separately? That may also help to prep the material for either a Franchise split or a Jason Bourne (novels) split.

If you want sandbox space, I can set up some in my Userspace for you (and anyone else) to use. I don't think I'm a Bourne-o-phile enough to do much work on it myself. But I could at least contribute space for it to be worked on. If so, just let me know what working title you'd like to have for the sandbox. Best, LaughingVulcan 12:42, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Portuguese name

One fact should be noted. While in the Bourne Ultimatum they mention the name Gilberto do Piento as an alias of Jason Bourne, in the Bourne Identity, when he opens the Brazilian passport, this is the name of the Consular Office who issued the passport, not that of it's holder. 190.141.251.149 (talk) 18:56, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Languages spoken

According to the profiles that appear on the screens just after Noah Vosen gives the kill order for both Nicky and Bourne in Tangier for the Bourne Ultimatum, he speaks fluent: French, Spanish, Russian, German, Italian, Czech and Polish. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.76.18.100 (talk) 03:13, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Picture from movies?

I noticed how the only picture on this page is of Pamela Landy. Shouldn't we at least have a picture of Matt Damon as Jason Bourne? If not, why have the picture of Landy? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.54.115.185 (talk) 03:25, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Medusa

Is it accurate to state, in the novel backstory section, that Bourne "ran Medusa?" As I recall, he lead individual teams or units into the field, but was not the overall head of Medusa. Indeed, the novels imply that Medusa fielded multiple units. Overall lead of Medusa fell to someone else, perhaps Abott (who conceived of Medusa "...before Medusa was even a gleam in the Monk's eye" The Bourne Identity) or Conklin. Tom Hopper (talk) 11:23, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Military background

Although it is easy to speculate that he was a former Delta operator, it is unlikely that an officer would be operating in its operational arm. As he identifies himself as 'Captain (David) Webb' in 'The Bourne Ultimatum' (flashbacks), it is more likely to assume that he was an ODA ("A-Team") commander (Captain, OF-2) in a Special Forces group, before volunteering for the CIA in Operation Treadstone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Loganugov (talk) 20:58, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Well, whoopee-ding. Ain't that just wonderful? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.127.77.172 (talk) 21:41, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Name allusion

Is there any indication of whether Jason Bourne's name is an allusion to James Bond (first two letters of first and last name)? 93.173.236.149 (talk) 15:44, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Bourne of Finnish descent?

And on what is this based exactly? 176.119.53.140 (talk) 20:18, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Dunno. Why don't you revert it until the justification is placed here or in the article (with sources.) I'd wondered about it myself, but was willing to give the benefit of the doubt as I'm only a fan of the movies and haven't done any of the novels yet. (Poser, ain't I? ;) ) LaughingVulcan 01:35, 4 August 2016 (UTC)