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On 31 August 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from Joanna of Austria (1573-1630) to Joanna of Austria, Marchioness of Militello. The result of the discussion was moved.

Requested move 31 August 2024

Latest comment: 2 months ago13 comments9 people in discussion

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. per discussions below. Best, (closed by non-admin page mover) reading beans 01:18, 23 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Joanna of Austria (1573-1630) → Joanna of Austria (Kingdom of Naples) – or Joanna of Austria (daughter of John) or Joanna of Austria (daughter of John of Austria). For better alignment with WP:NCPDAB. Wikipedia does not ordinarily use lifespan ranges (especially with hyphens in them) for disambiguation of people. See Joanna of Austria for a list of the three people known by this name. It appears there is an error in the opening paragraph, since the list of viceroys of Naples links to John Joseph of Austria, not to John of Austria. It seems that this woman was the daughter of John of Austria, who was not a viceroy of Naples. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 17:42, 31 August 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 23:30, 7 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

The "Spanish viceroy of the Kingdom of Naples" was an error, so I have removed it. It was the result of some copyediting in March. TSventon (talk) 19:46, 31 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Thanks. Should Category:Spanish viceroys be removed from the John of Austria article? (It's been there since an April 2006 edit by an editor who died in 2007.)—⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 20:22, 31 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

I don't claim to know anything about the subject, however categories should reflect the content of the article, which doesn't say he was a viceroy, so I have removed the category. It was added here. TSventon (talk) 21:05, 31 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Oppose option 1. She isn't a kingdom of Naples. Celia Homeford (talk) 14:51, 3 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Support Joanna of Austria (born 1573). This is probably one of those few articles covered by the last paragraph of WP:NCPDAB. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:31, 5 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Move to ~~Joanna of Austria, Princess of Pietraperzia~~ Joanna of Austria, Marchioness of Militello, as WP:CONSISTENT with Joanna of Austria, Princess of Portugal and Joanna of Austria, Grand Duchess of Tuscany. Ham II (talk) 19:14, 8 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Comment: If you don't choose a new title, someone will at least have to move this article to Joanna of Austria (1573–1630). Needs an en-dash instead of a hyphen, per MOS:DATERANGE. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:13, 13 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Move to Joanna of Austria, Princess of Pietraperzia, per Ham II. RodRabelo7 (talk) 19:36, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
I don't see sourcing saying that her husband had the title Prince of Pietraperzia. Per Treccani ([1]), he was Marquess (marchese) of Militello after the death of his mother in 1605. But his father was still alive when he died, so I wouldn't presume he had received titles from him (e.g., his titles of Prince of Butera or Prince of Pietroperzia). That leads me to think move to Joanna of Austria, Marchioness of Militello. SilverLocust 💬 07:44, 16 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
On further looking into this, I see you're right that the two references to that sentence don't support the claim. (They've been in the article since the first edit. Both refs should be removed.) And you seem to be right that Treccani only mentions his being made Marquess of Militello. Nobili-napoletane.it has him as 2nd Prince of Pietraperzia, and his father as Prince of Butera and of Pietraperzia. Is this a reliable source or self-generated? Geni.com says he was 4th Prince of Butera and of Pietraperzia, but that's unusable. Treccani seems to be the best source of these. Until there are better sources for the princely title, I've changed my !vote to one for Joanna of Austria, Marchioness of Militello. Thank you for prompting me to look further into this. Ham II (talk) 19:38, 16 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Clarifying note: The title it was moved to was Joanna of Austria, Marchioness of Militello. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 11:05, 25 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

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