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second album

what ever happened to the article about his second album? 74.67.171.23 15:14, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

What second album? «»bd(^talk _stalk) 17:01, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

i remember it too there was an article about a second album coming out in late 2007 and i remember it listed a song he was doing with eminem idk if it was real though 69.207.161.152 01:51, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

It probably wasn't. Besides there's no actual proof of it. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 21:47, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

yes there is proof of it!! the album was called Chain Gang Assault Battalion it was deleted on january 4th 2007 i found it in the history section of you cant see me  Sub!  00:25, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

That's proof now? Just because someone once edited the You Can't See Me article to claim there are plans for a second album doesn't mean there ever were any such plans. There was also constant vandalism here and on the You Can't See Me article claiming a second album was coming named The Unity and it had a bunch of members of G-Unit on it or some such nonsense. Also bogus. There is no second album until there is a second album.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 01:45, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

well then why was it on there for a month and a half and had its own article???  Sub!  13:17, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Nobody's perfect; vandalism, unproven claims and the like sometimes go unnoticed by editors. Th 2005 13:31, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

maby but ill look into this —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sub619 (talk • contribs) 16:28, August 30, 2007 (UTC)

NO PROOF!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.110.82.251 (talk) 21:07, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Too many Pictures

In the article there are a total of 8 pictures.

Now Cena has only been wrestling for 8 years. Undertakers page has about 3 or 4, and he has been wrestling for about 20 years.

We need to take some of these pictures out. The same thing goes for Orton. AD Double J 19:07, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

It's not about who has been wrestling longer. Undertaker's page should have more images, but they have to be free use you know. This article is very nicely illustrated IMO. Though it could use a better infobox pic. --Maestro25 19:17, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Well I made things better in the world by adding another one to Taker's article. Happy? Mshake3 02:02, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

There is almost no such thing as too many pictures, assuming that all of them are free. The Hybrid 02:23, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Patriots fan

I was reading a WWE magazine and it stated that he's a New England Patriots fan. Can that be added to his Personal life section? Zenlax 1:05, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't see why not. Add it to the thing about the Red Sox and use this for citing.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 20:13, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Might this be the article of the magazine that you were reading? --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 22:20, 06 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that's the one. Zenlax 12:26, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Please add the volume and page numbers to make the cite complete. And maybe a quote having something to do with The Patriots. «»bd(^talk _stalk) 19:53, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

As a matter of fact, if that's the cite, that doesn't have anything to do with him liking the Pats. I'm removing it.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 19:57, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I was wondering about that. They talk about the Pats, but he never says "I like them" or anything remotely close to that. --Naha|^(talk) 21:30, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

In addition, in case anyone cares, the interview above is in the October 2006 edition of the magazine, which I have. I just scanned through the entire interview in case this was mentioned elsewhere, and its not (in this interview anyway). So yeah, leave it out. Cheers, --Naha|^(talk) 21:37, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Really? I thought he mentioned he was a Patriots fan. I really don't know anything of sports, except wrestling. Sorry. Zenlax 12:36, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

I can easily see how it could be inferred that he likes them by reading the article, but he never actually says anything like that.--Naha|^(talk) 21:12, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Father

Is that his real father, or just kayfabe? Zurqoxn 01:29, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

John "Johnny Fabulous" Cena, Sr. is his real father.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 01:32, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I thought so, but I wasn't certain. Zurqoxn 02:28, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

With the discussion in mind, I wonder if the article should state something about the elder Cena becoming a central part (as of late) of the Cena-Orton feud, starting with Orton's attack prior to Unforgiven up to the current. [[Briguy52748 12:21, 18 September 2007 (UTC)]]

It should just like Orton had his dad in '05. Speed_CG 9:32, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

You're 100% correct.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 18:03, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Double Champ

I don't know if this image might help Cena's article. Anybody want to give a suggestion? Zenlax ^{Talk Contributions} 19:43, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but I don't think it should be added. Kinda blurry. 76.110.82.251 23:10, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Face?

Look, however POV it may sound, it is a practical joke that there isn't a whole subsection on Cena's "popularity" or lack thereof. First of all Cena is the only main event status face I know that has worked strenuously for over two years to win the fans' support and be unsuccessful in doing so. He may also be the only face in WWE history that has been unpopular enough for the WWE to bank on (the WWE know that the only reason people watch the PPVs now is to see Cena lose the title, so they drag it all out and the audience falls for it month after month after month). I can just about understand the WWE making every Raw episode a pathetic arena to portray Cena as a musclebound superhero by passing off his cheap formulaic wrestling style as superhuman but I don't know when the WWE is going to realize that fans pay in $ to sit through PPVs and to have the same monotonous result repeated on every main event through winter, through spring, through summer and now back through autumn is just pathetic.--80.175.110.17 22:39, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Your logic is flawed. Does everyone like Cena? No. Do the vast majority of WWE fans like Cena? The answer is a yes, no question. The IWC and smarks make up a very small part of the wrestling fanbase. The kids LOVE Cena. He gets massive pops at nearly every arena (Hammerstein Ballroom and Canada notwithstanding) and sells huge amounts of merchandise. I don't like Cena any more than you do, but if you look at it from a financial standpoint, Vince would be an idiot not to push Cena the way he does. Gavyn Sykes 22:38, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Cena injured

WWE.com says Cena was injured by Randy Orton in the Main Event, is this true? J.C. 04:32, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

PWInsider is independingly reporting that he was injured during the match, with both articles stating that it was from in the ring with Kennedy. Mshake3 04:59, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

It was after a botched hiptoss on Kennedy that ended with Kennedy landing on Cena. Cena then did an arm-drag on Kennedy and he was clearly favoring his right arm. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.154.248.164 (talk) 21:25, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

John Cena injured himself performing a facebuster/bulldog move on Kennedy. Kennedy didnt land on Cena, Cena landed in a seated position with his arm in a 90 degree angle on Kennedys back. This caused his arm to jar up and tear the muscle, after this you can see Cena take a second where he looks in extreme pain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Weightchamp (talk • contribs) 22:48, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Should it be part of the article that he's going to surrender the championship? I'm no expert on a lot of the policies but doesn't that advertise an event yet to take place and doesn't that go against the WP:Crystal policy?Odin's Beard 22:15, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

The things we try to keep out of articles are upcoming matches and other things that fall under the blanket of "card subject to change", with this injury, all things considered, this won't be changing.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 00:17, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

wwe.com has the annoucement of the vacacy of the title up but if you go to totile history and click the last istance of cenas name it still says spet 17 2006- nothing but yes i did see vince announce the vacany last night. what should we do? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.128.74.254 (talk) 11:34, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

nvm it has been updated —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.128.74.254 (talk) 13:05, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

John Cena is 248 lbs not 240 lbs, just so you know if you want it to be absolutley correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johncenarox08 (talk • contribs) 20:58, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi i was reading the page and noticed a factual error, it states cenas injury was the result of a hip toss, however this is incorrect, i have seen the match and it is clear that it is the result of a bulldog cena performs on kennedy in which he puts his arm in the wrong possition causeing it to jerk up sharply, after this move has occured cena can be seen holding his pectoral muscle. After this move cena can be seen favouring his right arm. Although it may seem that it was the hip toss he continues to use both arms until after the bull dog, this must be true as he uses the INJURED ARM to perform the bulldog, so either it was a combination of the two moves or the bulldog itself. I hope this is taken into account and corrected soon, thank you for your time and (i hope) your feedback... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sephmk (talk • contribs) 19:37, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree, seen the video and will update. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Weightchamp (talk • contribs) 09:11, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

You can not change cited information without providing a cite for the change.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 00:34, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm not entirely certain what you are looking for me to put. If you watch the Raw you can see I'm right —Preceding unsigned comment added by Weightchamp (talk • contribs) 18:08, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm guessing by the fact that no-one has responded to that comment in a month, then nobody can disagree or correct me so I'm changing it —Preceding unsigned comment added by Weightchamp (talk • contribs) 12:25, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Critiscism

John Cena has been widely criticized for his actual wrestling skills to put it briefly, yet there is no such section mentioning this throughout the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.5.241.248 (talk) 04:08, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Here's the Thousand Dollar Question: Got any reliable sources, and not the usual Forum fancruft that proves he's a "bad" wrestler? Blacklist 06:56, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Ironicly, the same "fancruft" (aka the bias for Cena) tends to prevent any sort of those sources and facts from staying here too long.

Not that Cena isnt a "bad" talent, because he sure is one of the best carry jobs in the buisness Dr. R.K.Z 15:46 PM, 9th October 2007

Go find some and we'll see if they qualify. Blacklist 06:36, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Mentions of polarized chants are woven into his career section at the notable intervals, so I don't think there is really an issue. The Hybrid T/C 06:44, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

I think it should be mentioned that a large majority of "old school" fans despise Cena. Supposedly the "most popular superstar" he is also hated in certain events (i.e. WrestleMania 23 where Cena was the face and Triple H was the heel, fans cheered more for Triple H). I think it should be mentioned because it is quite unique in the wrestling world. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.144.177.39 (talk) 23:48, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

There's no source for that sort of thing. And he faced Shawn Michaels at Wrestlemania 23, not Triple H. Gavyn Sykes 23:57, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Not to mention the Triple H WrestleMania where the fans cheered the heel is mentioned. I should know, I wrote it and sourced it.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 15:22, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

I think it should be mentioned that for a top face, he has a large group that dislikes him and his biggest criticism is his inability to wrestle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amamamp (talk • contribs) 21:04, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

That doesn't make him much different then Hogan, or Batista, or even Mick Foley (who's had detractors in the same way). I really don't think that's notable enough for him for this article. --CWSensation^t 06:57, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

For proof of his inability to wrestle, there is a video of the gym where Cena trained and he is used as the examplar student as he is nearing the end of his training. Throughout this video he makes several basic errors in identifying and applying basic manoeuvres. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Weightchamp (talk • contribs) 22:44, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

If Cena can't wrestle, how did he beat legends? 76.110.82.251 (talk) 19:00, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

CNN Interview

There should be something regarding the edited Video CNN aired. Virus of Profanity 22:50, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure whether or not it was added after you wrote this, but it is there now, under the Television section. Bmg916^Speak 03:05, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, it's been added after I wrote it here.Virus of Profanity

The F word

Is the word Fuck really necessary in this article, I can't edit it but i think someone should. --222.155.108.55 02:59, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not censored, so if it's not necessary in the context, than it can be removed, but if it's being used to help illustrate a point, then I'd say it shouldn't be removed. Bmg916^Speak 03:03, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

• • Yes, it's necessary.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 19:03, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

The F word means Fun. 76.110.82.251 23:00, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Steroid Allegations

do you think it would be worth adding to the article about cenas issues with CNN? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.236.163.148 (talk) 05:42, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

I do think you should add it and Cena did not take the steroids. 76.110.82.251 23:05, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

I also dont believe it should be added. So what if he did use steroids? Hes not now and thats all that matters. Leave the man alone! Even if he did use juice, He is still amazing if he can pick up "The World's Strongest Man." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xmaybememories (talk • contribs) 13:30, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Photo of Cena as both tag champion and WWE Champion

So since yesterday, someone took down the farshot of Cena with both belts. I put it back up, someone else then took it down. So alright, I uploaded a new photo of Cena and HBK together with the belts, then THAT gets taken down too.

What gives here? Yes, the pictures aren't great quality but it's important we have a picture of this in some way. He was a double champion which is a big deal. We should have a picture there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Writer1400 (talk • contribs) 12:40, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Already mentioned in the article. Zenlax ^{T C S} 14:52, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

If the picture is of poor quality and doesn't help enhance the subject nature of the article, then it shouldn't be in the article. It's not necessary to have a picture of every single one of his achievements. Would it be nice? Of course. Necessary? No. Quite honestly, I don't mind the picture in the article now. It's not the greatest, but it could be much worse. Bmg916^Speak 13:41, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

The picture in there now is bad quality. It's grainy and the colour is bad. There's enough other, better quality, images in this article that that one doesn't do anything to help it in any major way. If this were an article without so many images it would be a different story.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 14:55, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

I know the picture is not the greatest but it's still decent. The article is better with the picture than without it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Writer1400 (talk • contribs)

Just like we did for Randy Orton, we need to have a vote for the image to stay or not. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 01:35, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

NO, we don't. 76.110.82.251 23:07, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

No, of course we don't. Who cares about forming a cohesive project with a consensus? Sarcasm, aside, I do think a vote would be good. Gavyn Sykes 23:09, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, Gavyn. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 01:06, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

If we do vote i would vote for it to be removed as it is not very good quality. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sephmk (talk • contribs) 18:37, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

What image? Speed CG ^Talk 16:20, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

John Cena as the World Tag Team Champion with Shawn Michaels

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An editor has nominated the above file for discussion of its purpose and/or potential deletion. You are welcome to participate in the discussion and help reach a consensus.

The one of Cena as double champion, I vote we keep it. Writer1400 (talk) 23:47, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

We have a lot of images in the article and this one is of awful quality, its not providing a encyclopedic impact that is particulary significant, I support removing it. - Caribbean~H.Q. 23:52, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Remove, it's way too grainy. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 00:17, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm sick of taking this image out. It's so dark and grainy I couldn't tell what was in his left hand until I read the caption. It adds nothing to the article, especially when contrasted with the other, good quality, images in this article.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 01:19, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

What do you mean your sick of taking it out? This is NOT the same picture that we were originally debating over. Remember? The old picture was of Cena and HBK together and that was ALOT worse. This is actually an average picture. Remember how bad this picture was.Writer1400 (talk) 01:32, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

It's not the same picture, but it's just as bad. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 01:36, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

I disagree, in the new picture you can see Cena's face clearly, and you can clearly see the two titles. At LEAST put it somewhere else in the article, maybe in the championship section or something, the picture shows an importnant accomplishment. And I did NOT take the photo, I don't know who uploaded it but it's a good photo. Writer1400 (talk) 01:41, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

What does this image add to the article? Why do we need to show him holding two belts at the same time? What does that accomplish? That he was champion is noted, multiple times. This isn't a gallery, it's supposed to be an encyclopedia article. The images displayed are supposed to actually get something across to readers: what he looks like, what the FU looks like, what the stupid Word Life hand thing looks like, what the STFU looks like, how he changed from 2002 to 2007, in what way does him holding two belts fit in to that?«»bd(^talk _stalk) 03:16, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

The image does get a point across, it shows him as double champion. If that's the case, then your basically saying that there's no need to have an image of him with the US belt or the WWE belt either. Writer1400 (talk) 13:47, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm placing both for deletion. Speed CG ^Talk 17:27, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Nicknames

Was he ever called 'the Marine' on a consistant basis? I realize he was in the movie where he played a marine, but did he ever refer to himself as or did JR call him 'the marine'? --Endless Dan 15:48, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

This never happened to my knowledge. It is not one of his nicknames. --Naha|^(talk) 16:06, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

That's what I thought. I didn't want to remove it and start war of words with the editors on here.--Endless Dan 16:15, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Nope, never was a nickname, you were right Dan (and Naha). Don't know why it was really even there in the first place... Bmg916^Speak 16:55, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

CNN

should it be said that what Cena said on CNN was true and that he just fuck up and made a fake CNN interview to cover WWE ass —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.111.122.70 (talk) 13:40, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

What? Gavyn Sykes (talk) 16:24, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Please sign your posts, and to second Gavyn, what? (Sawyer (talk) 21:34, 6 December 2007 (UTC))

That is recockulous and you know it. CNN skewed that interview! 207.69.137.38 (talk) 15:17, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

The Personal Life section needs fixing badly

Since we're aiming for 100% accuracy, in that section, it says John Cena is left handed and only one photo is used as a source. One photo doesn't prove anything, how do we know Cena isn't "mixed handed" like Shawn Michaels and he just happened to use his left hand for that picture?

I know it sounds petty and he probably is left handed but we can't take chances. We need at least three photos for sources.

Also, it says Cena favors his right arm in the ring, there's no source for this, how are we supposed to know that this is true?

Writer1400 —Preceding comment was added at 23:03, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

I somehow missed this until it was vandalized and fixed. I can look for more images of him writing with his left, but citing that he uses the right in the ring would be really difficult outside of just using a whole match.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 00:16, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I was wondering why no one replied to this, see if you can find a few more photos. Writer1400 (talk) 21:08, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

EDIT: This is moved to the bottom of the discussion page.

John Cena is currently dating former diva Trish Stratus. They have been going out for almost 4 months now. They were last seen on Nov 28,2007 in Florida at the beach. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cenaluvstrish (talk • contribs) 03:47, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

John Cena is not dating Trish Stratus, in fact Trish Stratus is married and she is not divorced thats ofcourse she is having an affair. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.100.20.69 (talk) 03:17, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Former WWE Champion John Cena is getting married. Cena proposed to his long-time girlfriend Liz back in September of 2007. Photos from the event and after-party have surfaced online. (these pictures of liz and cena were taken a long time ago when he was still dating liz and was going to propose to her they broke up a log time ago)—Preceding unsigned comment added by Munoz86 (talk • contribs)

Source? --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 23:10, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Well I got found it on http://chain-gang.bravehost.com/ and also on this site

http://www.wrestlezone.com/article.php?articleid=202256848  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Munoz86 (talk • contribs) 19:56, 17 January 2008 (UTC) 

I have seen thoes exact same picture on another website that has not been updated since 4/19/07. http://www.john-cena.net/index.html Jaderene25 (talk) 22:27, 29 January 2008 (UTC)jaderene25

The 2002-2003 section is missing alot of important information

The section skips everything from may 2003 until janurary 2004. What about his match at survivor series 2003? It's important because that was the beginning of his face turn. Writer1400 (talk) 14:53, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Did he win the match? --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 15:31, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes he did. He and Benoit were the last survivors and after that, he became a face. 99.243.86.204 (talk) 18:00, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

I personally don't think anything needs to be added from may to November. The Survivor series match is worth noting in my opinion, but nothing else during that time period. Tech43 (talk) 21:34, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, the survivor series definitely needs to be noted. 99.243.86.204 (talk) 23:00, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Why can't we expand the personal life section?

How come the section is so small and as soon as I add some new information with sources, it's automatically taken down? Writer1400 (talk) 17:23, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

The information you added is already in the article in a more appropriate place.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 17:36, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Isn't there anything we can add? I'm sure we can find sources. It looks like a trivia section the way it is now. Shawn Michael's personal life section is so big, there must be some way we can do the same for Cena's. Writer1400 (talk) 17:39, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Of course more information can be added, why wouldn't it? As long as it's notable and sourced go for it.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 18:35, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Do beware though even if it is notable information and you have proof they will keep taking it down. No where does it say pictures aren't allow as proof and pictures are even used as proof on other wrestlers profiles but when it comes to cena its not allowed, why is cenas profile any different to anyone elses??? Lil crazy thing (talk) 09:33, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Heavy vandalism. SexySeaShark 17:31, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

If Cena wins, we riot

All the mentions of the signs at One Night Stand, and the one not mentioned is the one that even the WWE itself kept using in flashbacks: "If Cena wins, we riot." It's been re-phrased and re-used in various forms in signs since then. The sign was huge, it got major airplay during and after the event, and probably best summed up the "old school ECW attitude" mentioned. Think someone could go in there and add it (or even more appropriately, replace the current sign descriptions with it)? --66.11.205.149 (talk) 20:24, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't seem edible to the article. Zenlax ^{T C S} 20:52, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Erm. Am I missing a definition of "edible"? Direct quote from the article as it stands right now:

"Taking place in front of a crowd of mostly "old school" Extreme Championship Wrestling fans at the Hammerstein Ballroom, Cena was met with raucous jeering and chants of "Fuck you, Cena", "You can't wrestle", and "Same old shit". When he began peppering different moves into the match the fans responded with a chant of "You still suck". Cena lost the WWE Championship for the second time in 2006 at One Night Stand, being pinned by Van Dam after interference from Edge.[74]"

Instead of the generic chant descriptions, I would think a more informative and accurate example of the crowd's ire would be a well remembered and referenced sign. I'm looking for a photo of the sign, no luck so far. --66.11.205.149 (talk) 17:53, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

You're not going to find a free one. There's no real reason for an image of the "Riot" sign, the sign itself is hardly notable here (maybe in the event article). And I wouldn't call those chants "generic".«»bd(^talk _stalk) 19:15, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I was only looking for a photo for further 'proof' of it, not for addition to the article. My suggestion was to mention the sign (perhaps in replacement of the chants). It just seemed to be a more appropriate description of the crowd's attitude that night. No big deal.--66.11.205.149 (talk) 20:36, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

5 Moves of doom

Above it says that this should not be an forum piece(and I agree with that sentiment)in order to remain encyclopedic. However... John Cena's limited move set is notorious, and there is lots of evidence for criticism of his wrestling ability (or lack thereof). There is also much criticism of the "superman" persona that WWE have written for him. His return at royal rumble 2008 is a great example of that! I really think that these comments should be sourced and included in the article in some form to give a more rounded view of Cena. At the moment it reads a bit "fanboy"ish. Sparkyboi (talk) 22:08, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

The problem with that is that there is no reliable source for that sort of thing, though the vast majority of online wrestling fans agree with it. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 22:28, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

I find it funny that Bret hart had his own Five Moves of Doom, yet no one talks about those. Blacklist (talk) 06:10, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

That's where the phrase originated, but that has nothing to do with the article.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 21:35, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

atually the critisim and the xpacheat was part of the John cena's my life Dvd, like 20 minutes about that, it is a real source —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.171.71.144 (talk) 21:30, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Hello???

He chose to face Orton at No Way Out. Add it! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.67.40.27 (talk) 21:14, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

And? It's not all that notable until it happens. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 22:00, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

The 2008 still needs to be altered somewhat because the way article is currently written is misleading. It implies that his title shot he earned at the Rumble will take place at Wreslemania (which is simply not true). Notiablity is important but I don't think it takes precidence over factual accrury. I think a brief addition stating that Cena decided to have the match at No Way Out instead is appropiate in this case. --70.48.111.185 (talk) 03:09, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

We don't add matches that haven't occurred yet. SexySeaShark 17:51, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

We don't have to add the match. However, since no one appears to have a problem with the article stating he earned a title match at WrestleMania, there should also be no problem with stating he forfeited this opportunity for a title match at No Way Out. This has occurred and is notable. Thus, either both events or neither event should be mentioned. --Chrysaor (talk) 05:17, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

He didn't forfeit his opportunity. He just decided to use it at No Way Out instead. -- bulletproof ^3:16 05:22, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Point taken. --Chrysaor (talk) 13:29, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't see why when someone does something as (comparably) insignificant as winning entry into a future match such as the Money in the Bank Ladder Match, it's worth mentioning on each of their pages, but when someone wins a special entry into a triple threat championship match at Wrestlemania, it's not. 3pointswish (talk) 00:57, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

On April 1st 2012 John Cena will be getting married to a his girlfriend Daniella —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.75.117.1 (talk) 16:33, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

I thought it was "Liz". SexySeaShark 17:27, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

2012 wtf? (i think someone vandalized the talk page, how funny...) 3pointswish (talk) 01:53, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Shoulding his win over Orton on raw be in here?

And how he's going to WM? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.168.196.73 (talk) 20:27, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

No, cause that's a future event. And it goes by WP:PW consensus. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 04:56, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, because it's a significant event. People who're set for the money in the bank match all have it on their pages, and that's much less important than a title match. 3pointswish (talk) 23:44, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't know about the MITB, but all I know is that we can't add future matches to the articles. Including this one. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 02:39, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Terminator 4

I don't know much about this yet, but apparently Jon Cena has been announced to be the man who will play The Terminator in the upcoming 2009 Terminator movie.

Feel free to do some research on this, guys. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.82.169.119 (talk) 04:51, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

We were in New Orleans from 4/4/08 to 4/6/08 and my friend saw him. They were filming a movie and several native New Orleanians said they were making a "wrestling movie". It wreaked havoc on traffice on Canal because they would temporarily clost Canal for about 15 minutes at a time.

Evidently there must have been a misunderstanding. Instead of making a wrestling movie maybe it was a wrestler that was starring in the movie. Again, if someone could research it...... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.32.61.245 (talk) 01:48, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Rap Quotes

"Untouchable but forcing you to feel me." [1] Uconnstud (talk) 19:52, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

1). YouTube is not a reliable source, and 2). What does this have to do with the article? --LAX 19:56, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

that is a quote from one of his songs. which you can hear from the link. Uconnstud (talk) 20:11, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a forum. --LAX 20:18, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Cena used the Death Valley Driver in spring 2003

Those who actually watched it then know. If you get off on striking everything down for imagined "power," remove this, just like the Death Valley Driver listing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Max85 (talk • contribs) 20:57, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

IT was removed because using a move for a month is not notable to be added to the article as a signature move. If he used it for at least half a year then yes but for about a month is not notable.--TrUCo⁹31¹ 21:00, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

John Cena's Theme Music

That was his theme music in OVW so shouldn't that be included? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.61.212.34 (talk) 19:31, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Do you have a reliable source? --Cheers, LAX 19:33, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

He also used a Generic theme (I believe it was called "Ruthless Aggresion"), during his WWE 2002 debut until 2003.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl2uc2mJFn0 right there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.61.212.34 (talk) 05:08, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Per WP:RS, YouTube is not a reliable source. --Cheers, LAX 05:15, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Where does it say that?«»bd(^talk _stalk) 13:31, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Does John Cena really live in Foxborough, MA? It says so on Foxborough's page. I was just wondering?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.218.26.24 (talk) 22:15, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

If you were to look at the article, he lives in Tampa, Florida. --Cheers, LAX 23:17, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Removed an item.

I removed the following item from the top of the page.

Chinman93 (talk) 17:57, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Haysead (talk) 18:12, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. Vandalism reverts are always appreciated. If you interested in pro wrestling their is a Professional wrestling Wikiproject. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 18:44, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

I may be wrong, but...

In the 02-03 section, it mentions Mr. McMahon as CEO. Isn't his wife CEO, and he's Chairman? They're different things. 3pointswish (talk) 07:40, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Good catch«»bd(^talk _stalk) 22:14, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Wrestlemania 24

Mention that he's going to be at Wrestlemania 24 going against Triple H and Randy Orton in a Triple Threat Match for the WWE Championship! I'm surprised its not even mentioned yet... —Preceding unsigned comment added by SolidNinjaSnake (talk • contribs) 17:10, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Nope. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a news site. –Cheers, LAX 17:12, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Wrestling Observer Newsletter Awards

Shouldn't Cena's Wrestling Observer Newsletter awards be listed? They're listed for all the other wrestlers, and Cena has one many, especially in 2007, and they deserve to be mentioned. —Preceding unsigned comment added by OgRe (talk • contribs)

There was a consensus to only add the notable ones. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 02:48, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but he won "Wrestler Of The Year" and "Best Box Office Draw" in 2007, don't those count as notable? —Preceding unsigned comment added by OgRe (talk • contribs)

That, I have no idea about. You would have to bring it up here. Also, please sign your post with four tildes (~~~~). --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 00:08, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Family Feud

I might be wrong, but I am pretty sure that John Cena did not appear on Family Feud. Can that be removed?Chaingangsoldier207 (talk) 19:53, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Has been removed. Thank you for pointing that out. Zenlax ^{T C S} 20:09, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I took it out once before, don't know how it got back in.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 20:17, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

John Cena is currently fueding with Triple H,Randy Orton And JBL For The WWE Title At Backlash

It is Rumoured that after Backlash Cena will be off WWE Telivision For A While Whilst he films his new movie "12 rounds" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Efc222 (talk • contribs) 19:21, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

It seems that that part has already started. He wasn't on raw this week and there has been nothing about him and King of the Ring either. 207.69.137.8 (talk) 20:26, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Please remember: Wikipedia is not a social network. –LAX 20:32, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

PWI Match of the Year Award

Along with his various other PWI Awards, Cena also lost PWI Match of the Year in 2007 for his match with Shawn Michaels on Raw on April 23, 2007. 75.107.217.175 (talk) 07:02, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Why should it be mention? SexySeaShark 13:50, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Why wouldn't it be mentioned? Other #1 PWI awards are. Added.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 17:03, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

It's an award issued by a dirtsheet. Not notable. Killswitch Engage (talk) 19:49, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Was there a consensus to remove it from the Cena article? Zenlax ^{T C S} 20:00, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

PWI awards have been on this, and other, articles for quite a while, don't just go removing them because you think they don't qualify. If you have a problem with them take it up with the project, they love wielding power.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 21:23, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

See, this is why we are mentioned at WP:LAME. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 02:41, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Is it? The project claims to want to make things consistent across wrestling related articles, if this isn't a prime example of what should be decided by the active members as a whole I don't know what is. «»bd(^talk _stalk) 03:09, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it is. When you can give me a good reason that dirtsheet awarda are notable, let me know. Killswitch Engage (talk) 16:59, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Leave it on the project.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 20:24, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Exactly. That's why the project was created for. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 21:48, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Cena currently came out with a movie about his life in 2007 called "My Life" talks about every thing you can think ofHyowon1 (talk) 16:05, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Jeering

Shouldn't it be noteworthy that Cena has been heavily jeered by the fans, despite being a face? It's been going on for a long time, now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rockntell (talk • contribs) 21:52, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

It is noted. SexySeaShark 16:36, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

But it's not noted for the recent times. Right now, it's really hard to find a cheering fan of John Cena. They're mostly boo's (For example, the switch between "boo!" and "yeah!" when Cena and HHH trade fists. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rockntell (talk • contribs) 22:34, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I disagree. I was at WWE Raw at the Joe Louis Arena on May 12, and although there were Randy Orton fans, the John Cena fans were WAY louder. Even though everywhere you go there ARE people who hate John, WWE could very likely fake the boos. --WWEluvr (talk) 21:06, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Uh, no? WWE wouldn't fake the boos for their top "face"... Amamamp (talk) 02:05, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

True, but when they need their most controversial superstar to seem controversial, like when he's not getting any boos, they might. --WWEluvr (talk) 15:13, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Not really much jeering now as it was before back in 2005 when he was feuding with Kurt Angle, ppl we're like "Cena SUCKS!" and pointing the "You Suck" to him, instead of Kurt. And yeah mid 2006 he was also probably jeered very hard on when he went against RVD on the build up for ECW. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.2.102.33 (talk) 10:05, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

what's more likely is the E canning the pop cena gets. i mean, a lot of people are hating cena the past few months, it's a wonder why he still gets the pops he has now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.213.221.5 (talk) 02:36, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

fatal four way and 2 weeks later on raw

fatal four way backlash

cena was defeated at backlash by a running punt to the head after making jbl tap out with a stfu. then pinned by orton. kayfabe revocering form injury he returns and gives regal advice on how to be a better gm and has a match with orton for the main event. after going to far with regal earlier a new referee is announced in the middle of cenas and ortons match jbl comes in and cena startspummeling him and orton until theyn team up and he is the games music starts playing and he helps cea jbl and cena are out of the ring win asteal cage descends and orton and hhh stare at each other as hhh stands atop the steal cage —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.242.62.217 (talk) 10:53, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh my, First off, please sign your posts. Second, please use proper grammer, spelling, capitalization, and punctuation; as if is very hard to read that comments. Third, none of that information is notable to Cena, as he did not win the match at Backlash. Since he did not win, it is not notable, neither is something that happens between Orton and HHH, that doesn't even involve Cena. King iMatthew 2008 10:59, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about that. How is that not notable? Cena lost at a ppv. Cena making jbl tap out is also important, as it sets the stage for there upcoming match at judgement day. I think a match at a ppv is worth mentioning as it relates directly with his current status within the wwe. Anyway, i am not excusing myself but i wrote this, and my other "contrubution" to the talk page while not properly medicated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.242.62.217 (talk) 18:52, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

end of the day cena fought for the wwe championship this is notable and ive added it yea it shount be noted about him and jbl yet but very few get to wrestle for the wwe championship and it dont matter what ppv its at there all the same for a encyclapedia mabey not in wwe but for this its the same KCDavis (talk) 17:20, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

No, it isn't, because it isn't real. All WWE title matches are not notable. We don't list every title shot from Raw, and just because it's on a PPV doesn't suddenly make it more notable.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 02:47, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

And, by your logic you should take away the wrestle mania main event info for the page. If cena didn't win it wasn't notable to Cena. Nor should we mention any upcoming matches until he wins. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.242.62.217 (talk) 18:56, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

WrestleMania, however, is 1000x more notable than Backlash. King iMatthew 2008 20:41, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Like IMatthew stated, it is relevant to include the fact that Cena took part in the Triple Threat match at WrestleMania. His participation in Backlash, however, does not seem notable to include into the article. Zenlax ^{T C S} 20:01, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Exactly, adding results is week by week non notable cruft, as it has no effect to his career.~SRX~ 20:40, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Alright, fair enough I was talking in general, though. I agree, I understand not adding this. It is just that his explanation was lacking imo. oh and its also about his event with JBL at judgment day and not just backlash. Plus, his return from filming his movie, 12 rounds. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.235.189.139 (talk) 03:05, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

It is not notable whether if Cena and JBL will continue their feud after Judgment Day. Zenlax ^{T C S} 20:18, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I didnt say it was, I was clarifying what I meant. Not commenting on its notability. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.235.189.139 (talk) 01:42, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Protobomb/Killswitch aka spin-out Powerbomb

i don'i remember the name but Cena often Uses the spin out powerbomb, before the five knukle shuffle. If we don't know the name (I remmember only protobomb), we can list the move only like spin-out powerbomb. If you go to Powerbomp page, you can find the reference to Cena's Move. According to this page I name Cena's Move Killswicth. Only for example recently the move was used in a tag-team match with Triple H against Orton & Kennedy (see You tube and don't remove the move)

Dave.01 16.11 Italy —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dave.01 (talk • contribs) 14:13, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

should his budding on-screen romance with mickie james be included?

It doesn't seem notable to add right now. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 23:38, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

judgement day

at judgement day 2008 one of the announcers stated cena was i belive 5 and 0 at the pay per view cena won that night so that make 6 - 0 i think its worth noting —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.143.6.119 (talk) 22:16, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

No. Darrenhusted (talk) 15:10, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Entrance

Could we include a section about his unique entrances? Judgement Day 2005, truck w/DJ; WM22, limo, guns; WM23, crazy mustang driving; WM24 band playing his entrance music... --WWEluvr (talk) 15:20, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

No. Darrenhusted (talk) 15:27, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Per WP:N, no. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 18:30, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Let me get this right: The article can talk about his so-called FASHION, but not his entrances? --WWEluvr (talk) 17:11, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

I guess so. Darrenhusted (talk) 08:02, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

How is an entrance notable? --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 20:01, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Go to YouTube and watch his entrances at the events I listed. You'll figure it out. --WWEluvr (talk) 00:59, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Number 1: Youtube is not a good source unless it is a video from TNA, WWE, or ROH's youtube account.

Number 2: He has had three interesting entrances. We don't note Taker's entrances when he has had way more interesting ones than Cena. Why note Cena's? Also all of them have happened at WrestleMania. That is a normal thing that happens. Unless he starts doing a different one each time at each ppv and Raw or Smackdown or even ECW then it isn't that notable.

Number 3: The entrances thing is more interesting to a hardcore wrestling fan. To someone who is writing a report about Cena because he is his idol or something like that, it wouldn't be useful to him. It is only useful to hardcore wrestling fans that would find that interesting.--WillC 01:10, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

I wasn't saying YouTube WAS a good source. I don't think it is. I was just saying that if you saw his entrances, they were not unusual. And Wikipedia isn't used to write reports, as it in itself isn't always a good source. I don't understand why the article can mention his fashion and not things, like his entrances, that are talked about in a WWE produced DVD, about John Cena. --WWEluvr (talk) 16:04, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Anyway, it needs to be noted. --WWEluvr (talk) 17:57, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

I thinks it's already been said; No. --LAX 18:09, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Semi-protection

Who put semi-protection on the article? The King Gemini (talk) 18:57, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

An Admin. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 22:52, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Cena's first name

It should be John or Jonathan? Since John is the short name of Jonathan, should be like that or what?--Miss Lindsie (talk) 06:10, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

It should remain John per the source. Not every John is a shortened Jonathan. I myself have the first name John, which is my full first name, Johnathan appears nowhere on my birth certificate. Cena may be the same case. Or perhaps the source is wrong. But we must go per the source. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 14:50, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Mickie

what about the storyline wuith Mickie James —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.191.76.117 (talk) 02:52, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Again, doesn't seem notable to include. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 00:38, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it does. --WWEluvr (talk) 13:07, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

No, it doesn't. Darrenhusted (talk) 13:46, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it DOES. --WWEluvr (talk) 02:36, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

No week by week. Only if something big happens. Like she is going to have his baby or something stupid like that.--WillC 02:38, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Only if its like a Katie Lea and Paul Burchill sort of thing. Til then, its not notable to include. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 01:06, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

So we just wait til they become brother and sisters? --WWEluvr (talk) 10:48, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Sarcasm will get you nowhere. We wait until a major storyline happens. Darrenhusted (talk) 11:07, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Exactly, thank you Darren. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 16:24, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Define "major storyline", please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 7wwepotterfan (talk • contribs) 12:55, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

A program that takes a few months1362^talk 13:02, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

this website proves that Mickie James and John Cena were in a relationship. http://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2008/630/john_cena_329169.shtml when asked if there was one thing he could relive in his life what would it be and why he said "My relationship with Mickie James because it was over much too soon —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.191.76.117 (talk) 12:12, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

I read that, but there's a few way you can look at it. 1, it could've meant their storyline, which has since been started up again. 2, it could've meant in real life, but if that is the case, I REALLY don't think they would let him say that on a WWE website, no matter what. Personaly, I think it meant the kayfabe relationship. --WWEluvr (talk) 15:56, 10 July 2008 (UTC) They were together.