Talk:John Holahan

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 13:29, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

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• ... that John Holahan was first called a "lunatic" by the Duquesne University president for his idea to help the football team, but after it worked, the president told him "I was the lunatic, not you"? Source: Pittsburgh Press ("When John Holahan wanted to put lights in Forbes Field and have Duquesne University play football at night, the president of the school, Father Hehir, called him a lunatic. That was in 1929. Holahan had been trying to move the Dukes into big-time football but just couldn't seem to get over the hump ... "I knew we had to do something drastic or quit football," ... "The next Friday night, Geneva agreed to play under the arcs. People were outside until the second quarter got under way trying to buy tickets and lines extended for a couple of hundred yards, "After the game Father Hehir came to me and said: 'John. I was the lunatic, not you.'"")
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Majed Abu Maraheel

Moved to mainspace by BeanieFan11 (talk). Self-nominated at 18:01, 23 February 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/John Holahan; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• Will review this shortly. RunningTiger123 (talk) 02:02, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

General eligibility:

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Policy compliance:

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• Cited: - The quote is in the article, but as Holahan's recollection of the quote, so saying "the president told him" without qualification is stretching the source. I'd suggest rewording; maybe just cut the second part and say that Holahan recalled being called a lunatic, or something like that.
• Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: RunningTiger123 (talk) 02:14, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

@BeanieFan11: Realized I should have pinged you when I finished, so I'm adding it now. RunningTiger123 (talk) 00:09, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

@RunningTiger123: Hmm... I think the "I was the lunatic" part was important to the interestingness... maybe something like ALT1: ... that John Holahan recalled that he was called a "lunatic" by his school's president for his idea to help the football team, but when it worked, the president said that "I was the lunatic, not you"? That way we say that its him recalling this event. Thoughts? BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:34, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

@BeanieFan11: That's more accurate, but the wording feels a bit clunky. Maybe ALT2: ... that John Holahan recalled both being called a "lunatic" by his school's president for seeking a football game at night and being told afterward by the president, "I was the lunatic, not you"? Open to further suggestions. RunningTiger123 (talk) 00:56, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

@RunningTiger123: That works – one quibble, though: do you think its necessary to link "football"? BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:01, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

@BeanieFan11: That's up to you; I put it since there weren't many links and someone may wonder which version of football was meant, but it's definitely not critical. If you want to remove the link from ALT2, feel free. ALT2 good to go. RunningTiger123 (talk) 04:16, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

GA Review

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Nominator: BeanieFan11 (talk · contribs) 01:59, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: WikiOriginal-9 (talk · contribs) 14:04, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

• Added cats.
• Refs aren't supposed to be in the lead. What is that ref for anyway? Suggest moving it down to the birth and death dates if that's what it is citing. Also, is his middle initial in that reference? If so, the first sentence of early life should say "John D. Holahan was born" See other articles like Babe Ruth for an example.
  • I think it was for the middle initial. Followed your suggestion.
• "As a senior at Duquesne, Holahan became the athletic program's business manager.[4] He remained with the team after his graduation in the position of graduate manager" If he was only business manager for one year, shouldn't that be noted in the infobox?
  • That source says he became the 'graduate manager' after a year as business manager, but future sources (e.g. this from 1939 referred to him as 'business manager') – I changed the infobox to just 'manager' – does that work?
• "In 1929, the team was struggling" Does that mean financially? How would playing Geneva at night help them?
  • Financially sounds accurate. (The source was saying that they were unable to draw much attendance – the night game was popular and drew a large attendance).
• "losing to the Philadelphia Eagles in what determined the team to play in the 1947 NFL Championship Game" to "losing to the Philadelphia Eagles in a game that determined which team would play in the 1947 NFL Championship Game
  • Changed.
• Expand the lead a little?
  • Added a little.

That's all. Not much else to say here. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 14:04, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

• @WikiOriginal-9: BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:25, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

  That looks good now. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 22:32, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

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