Talk:Josiane Lima

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The result was: promoted by Cielquiparle (talk) 15:03, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that rower Josiane Lima has competed at every Paralympic Games that has featured her sport, being proud to represent queer indigenous women in sport, and won Brazil's first rowing medal?

• ALT1: ... that rower Josiane Lima has competed at every Paralympic Games that has featured her sport, and won Brazil's first rowing medal?

• • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/L'An 2440, rêve s'il en fut jamais
  • Comment: Various sources in article. Open to other hook ideas/refactoring the suggestion.

Created by Kingsif (talk). Self-nominated at 05:36, 15 January 2023 (UTC).

• Article new enough and long enough. Well-referenced throughout, hook is verified with 2 sources. QPQ done, copyvio says no. The Brazilian sources seems to only say "first Paralympic rowing medal", though, not "first rowing medal"?. Added an ALT1 as "proud" is sort of subjective. Juxlos (talk) 12:44, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
  • @Juxlos: I think at least one of the sources says something like "Brazil's first medal in her sport", I can't remember if in Portuguese or English, though I guess you can also go through Brazil at the Summer Olympics and see there haven't been any rowing medals there ;) - and in the ESPN mini-doc, she says proud (orgulhosa) several times, for what it's worth - but I would be fine with the alt. Kingsif (talk) 22:16, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
    • oh yeah, found it in the Portuguese source. Juxlos (talk) 23:17, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
      • Striking ALT0 for posterity. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 01:21, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

@Kingsif and Juxlos: "competed at every Paralympic Games that has featured her sport" it appears in the lead, but not in the body. And the given references do not state this from what I can see. Foreign language source translated. Bruxton (talk) 19:01, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

• @Bruxton: I can't remember what is and what isn't in that source, it's a bit long for me to go over right now - but did you check the one right next to it? Because that's all it says. Of course, re. appearing in body text, I thought I had included it with the last paragraph of the career section, apparently not. I suppose it is perhaps asking too much to consider mentions of her competing in each of those Paralympic Games to convey the superlative - will incorporate. Kingsif (talk) 04:14, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
• @Bruxton: Check the tweet by WorldRowing (footnote no 2). Juxlos (talk) 04:58, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Juxlos I saw but it is a WP:UGC Bruxton (talk) 15:16, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Due to the author of the Tweet, it is classified under WP:SELFSOURCE, and I believe that the org that runs the events is as good as you can get as a primary source. Juxlos (talk) 17:03, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Kingsif It is a tweet from World Rowing so I do not know if it is Selfsource, but if it were a tweet from the Paralympic Games? I do not see it on their site, or in other RS. I will ask for an opinion from RoySmith. Bruxton (talk) 18:39, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

I'm not exactly sure what I'm being asked here, but in general, tweets are not WP:RS, and the medianija source is an interview, so that's generally not a WP:RS either. -- RoySmith (talk) 19:02, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

@RoySmith: Tweets from random people, no, but a tweet from World Rowing? Come on. And the midia Ninja source isn't just an interview, it's like a profile that incorporates an interview - and it's a very respected independent outlet, especially covering women. If these aren't considered RS, something is wrong. Kingsif (talk) 01:48, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

If determined unacceptable, maybe a second ALT:

• ALT2: ... that Paralympic rower Josiane Lima won Brazil's first rowing medal?

Juxlos (talk) 01:24, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

Happy to continue with reviewer, but adding this so that it returns to the noms page. Kingsif (talk) 15:38, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

Well that doesn't seem to have worked, ping @Bruxton:; while we're here, to anyone, is it possible to mark this as a special occasion hook for women's day? I know we're doing a set or two for that. Kingsif (talk) 06:45, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

• moved the tick to the bottom, will move this to March 8 with ALT2 Bruxton (talk) 18:17, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

GA Review

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Josiane Lima/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Harrias (talk · contribs) 10:22, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

I'll take a look over this. Harrias ^{(he/him) • talk} 10:22, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Sources

2. Verifiable with no original research:

1. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline;
2. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose);
3. it contains no original research; and
4. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.

• 2a. The article contains a list of references, in an appropriately titled section. A few non-GA required recommendations for the formatting of the references themselves below.
  • Recommend adding the date of publication (30 January 2022) to reference #1.
  • Recommend adding the date of publication (30 July 2020) to reference #2.
  • Recommend changing to title case for the title in reference #3, per the MOS.
  • Recommend adding the date of publication (16 February 2014) to reference #4.
  • Recommend adding the date of publication (1 February 2011) to reference #5.
  • Recommend adding the date of publication (17 March 2022) to reference #7.
  • Recommend shortening the title to just "For these para rowers it is all four Paralympic Games", and adding the date of publication (19 August 2021) to reference #8.
  • Recommend adding the date of publication (30 July 2020) to reference #9.
  • Recommend adding the date of publication (27 January 2012) to reference #11.
  • Recommend adding that reference #12 is in Portuguese.
  • Recommend adding that reference #13 is in the PDF format.
  • Recommend adding the author (Mike Rowbottom) to reference #14.
  • Recommend being consistent whether "World Rowing" is listed as the publisher or the website. Refs #3, #5, #6, #8, #9, #11, #13, and #15 all use it, but vary in style.

•  Done All above - "World Rowing" was only listed as author/publisher when the source was not the World Rowing website (Twitter, document at Olympics.com) and I have made this clearer. Kingsif (talk) 22:10, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

• 2b. With the caveat below, all citations are from reliable sources.
  • Three of the sources are to social media (Twitter, YouTube and Instagram), but in each case are justified: the Twitter post is from World Rowing, the YouTube video is from ESPN, and the Instagram post is from the subject herself, and is used to source a personal belief. As such, I have also removed the "non-primary source needed" tag.
• 2c. All significant information is sourced. Spotchecks carried out on three facts cited to accessible sources:
  • "She was immediately entered into competition for the 2006 World Rowing Championships with Rafael Luz in the mixed doubles sculls. She came back with Lucas Pagani as her partner for the 2007 World Rowing Championships, and the pair took the gold." Sourced to ref #8 – appears in the source.
  • "Lima contracted a sinus infection shortly before the Games and was displeased with the air quality in Beijing, noting that while she and Santana dominated the race for the first three-quarters, she got blurred vision and was seeing stars at the end." Sourced to ref #9 – appears in the source.
  • "This medal led to them being described as ones to watch ahead of the Rio 2016 Summer Paralympics, held in Brazil, by World Rowing." Sourced to ref #13 – appears in the source.
• 2d. Spotchecks on those same sources for copyvio or close-paraphrasing reveals no concerns.

Images

6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:

1. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content; and
2. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.

• 6a. None present.
• 6b. None present.

Prose

1. Well-written:

1. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct; and
2. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.

• 1a. A few queries below, but nothing major.
  • Consider linking "sculls" to Sculling on first use.

•  Done Added a simple mention with link; I considered adding it to text already present but "double sculls"/"single sculls" are the proper names of events, so the link feels improper (breaking up the name and linking to the motion rather than event). Kingsif (talk) 22:20, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

• • "..at the Olympic lane.." What does this mean?

• The rowing equivalent of an Olympic pool. Would "Olympic rowing lane" be clearer? Kingsif (talk) 22:20, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

• • "This medal led to them being described as ones to watch ahead of the Rio 2016 Summer Paralympics, held in Brazil, by World Rowing." I'm not keen on the "by World Rowing" tacked on at the end here, it feels awkward. Maybe something like: "This medal led to them being described by World Rowing as ones to watch ahead of the Rio 2016 Summer Paralympics, held in Brazil."

•  Done

• • "..to win the small final." What is a small final?

• A race to place the teams who do not make the final, in events where overall placement is important. Fairly common across sports that have world rankings or qualifying positions (rather than times), there might be a wiktionary entry to link but I doubt it. Kingsif (talk) 22:20, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

• I added a Wiktionary link, with which I'm happy to pass this. Harrias ^{(he/him) • talk} 10:38, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

• • "..as well as politicians in Brazil since the crisis in 2015.." What crisis in 2015?

•  Done Added a wikilink. Kingsif (talk) 22:20, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

• 1b. No relevant MOS issues.

3. Broad in its coverage:

1. it addresses the main aspects of the topic; and
2. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).

4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.

• 3a. No apparent significant gaps.
• 3b. The article follows a suitable summary style, without going into excessive depth.
• 4. No issues.
• 5. No issues.

Overall a good piece of work. A few issues above, although nothing major. I'll stick it on hold. Harrias ^{(he/him) • talk} 11:10, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the review, I've addressed everything either - some with responses here. Kingsif (talk) 22:21, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

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