Talk:Jovan Divjak

Serb or Bosniak

As he considers himself Bosnian,I don't think we can regard him as a "Serb". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.94.112.46 (talk) 11:41, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

No. Disagree. A Bosnian is a civic national identity, not an ethnic identity, similar to American, New Zealander or Singaporean. BiH is an multi-ethnic society all along their history ever since. So this does not impede a person to identity himself/herself, says, "(White) American, (Afro-)American, Singaporean (Chinese) or Singaporean (Malay), Bosnian (Muslim) or Bosnian (Serb)". By the way, regarding not referring Mr. Divjak as Serb though he personally regard himself first and foremost Bosnian, to which group you're are claiming to?

Then you should classify him as a Bosnian Serb. Just saying "Serb" could mean he is a Serbian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.209.105.32 (talk) 21:31, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Let's set one thing straight so there can be no further confusion, especially for those who have little knowledge about Yugoslav history and can easally be fooled when it comes to issues concerning it: there is no "Bosnian" nation, but, there are three constitutional people who constitute the population of Bosnia and Herzegovina. Theese are: Serbs, Croats and Bosniaks.

The latter one is not even a real nation but an invented one; "Bosnjak" was a concept which was invented by Austrians in order for them to keep the three people at eachothers neck, and in doing so working against the desire of all those people to unite and create a united Yugoslavia for all South Slavs. This is a fact.

Any nation is an invented nation. There are no natural nations. -- eiland (talk) 17:17, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Furthermore, the usage of the word "Bosnjak" for a people is simply unlogical (they could at least have keept with "Muslims", even if that too in a sence is unlogical), especially when you consider that there are over 200.000 Muslims in Serbia who have not the slightest of conection to Bosnia and many of which still identifie themselves as "Bosnjaks", not to mention Muslims of Herzegovina, because Bosnia is only a geographical region and nothing else.

And, to emphasize my point even further, how come Muslims think they can call themselves "Bosnjaks" without Serbs or Croats having the same right and not having to be mixed up with them? Why in God's name is a Muslims more of a "Bosnjak" than other people who have lived on the same land for as many of generations as Muslims have? Furthermore, Bosnjak is a Serbian surmnam and has always been, long before it bacame the name for a people.

Regarding Jovan Divjak, he is not even a real Serb. So there is no logic in categorizing him as Serbian when he has delclared himself to be "Bosnian" - whatever that is? Just as there is no logic any longer in categorizing two of the arguably greatest cultural persons of Bosnia and Herzegovina, who happen to be self-declared Serbs Emir Kusturica and Meša Selimović, as Muslim or Bosnjak. The same goes for the Nobel Prize winner in literature, Ivo Andric, who was born into a Catholic family.

Lets set one thing straight. Bosnia is a country, Bosnjak is an ethnicity. It used to be used as a term referring to the inhabitants of Bosnia (Kingdom), people with "Bosnjak" as their surname are in some way descendant of someone form Bosnian Medieval Kingdom. Muslim would be inaccurate since not all Bosniaks are Muslim. It's like classifying Serbs and Croats as "Orthodox" and "Catholic" as their ethnicity. The Serbs in Croatia have no connection to Serbia, but are called Serbs. Genetically, Serbs, Croats and Bosniaks are the same, so logically they should be called "Yugoslavs" or "Serbo-Croats". And Jovan Divjak is a self-declared Bosnian above all. If that's what he calls himself, that's what he is. Like the person above me said, it would be like calling Emire Kusturica "Bosniak" even though he calls himself a Serb. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gradanin (talk • contribs) 12:24, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

I've lost you, sorry. -- eiland (talk) 17:17, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Then I should call you American, not white American, because "theres no such white group" since you "declare yourself American" if you happen to live in United States. This is blatant ignorance if you ignore the Multi-Ethnic culture Bosnia is long existed due to their history since East-West church schism. Bosnia is the border crossroad in the middle of Europe. Bosnia is a territorial name, nothning else. It is there since Easr-West church divide. Yes, "Bosniak" is a recently coined name, after Collapse of Tito's Yugoslavia, which refers to Muslim Slavs. But Bosnia is different than "Bosniak". Jovan Divjak is still a ethinc Serb, but still 1st and foremost Bosnian citizen. Your so-called explaination are deeply flawed perhaps you are one of protagonists in the Tito's Yugoslav demise, full of (flaw) viewpoints not historical accounts. I'm really don't like to boast myself but I'm an Asian academist expert in Slavic culture.

Beside his self-declaration form the point of international law he was born as "Yugoslav" and now he is Bosnian or Herzegovinian. I would keep this fact separated form the discussion about identity and self-declaration. If I have a US passport I am American even if I feel Mexican. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.35.45.71 (talk) 15:43, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Declaring Bosnian, Orthodox faith

I would personally shorten the opening lines to simply state that he is of Orthodox faith. I don't think there is major need to state that he declares Bosnian since there are too many issues that can cause confusion for readers that are not versed in the region's ethno-religious designations. The trouble is that one may click on the Bosnians link and then lose his thread because of the extremely long article. Some people declare Bosnian and consider themselves different from a Bosniak, others may argue that they are one and the same thing. It is a fact that a respectable percentage of non-Muslim faith persons from BiH declare Bosniak (or Bosnian) though outside of BiH, such as in the Sandžak areas of Serbia and Montenegro, it is unlikely there that non-Muslims will declare Bosniak except in cases where he chooses to be atheist and his parents are Bosniak, and even then he will still have an identifiable surname suggesting Muslim. The ARBiH did not contain Muslim in the title, it was branded internatioanlly as the Muslim army (and did receive support from Mujahideens) but was nevertheless ostensibly an entity that claimed to represent all of Bosnia's nations. In addition, most persons from outside the former Yugoslavia probably do not know about the consistency and tradition across a wide region with Croats being Catholic, Bosniaks being Muslim and Serbs being Orthodox, and as everyone from inside the sphere knows, those are major generalisations. So, regardless what his parents were, he fought for the ARBiH and declared Bosnian, but came from an Orthodox family, therefore I'd leave out "declared Bosnian" so early in the article, since his military affiliation more or less suggests that, why don't we just give his rank and say that he was of Orthodox faith. --Oranges Juicy (talk) 13:34, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

I agree on this. Moreover, I cannot remember any article that stresses out subject's nationality in the intro. Why is that important for the intro? I'd agree to replace this part somewhere else in the article. Also, I would argue that we should add that he had little or no influence in the Army, as he was treated as a "flower arrangement" and was excluded from the decision making process. This is clearly important, since the intro states he was a Deputy Commander of the Army, and therefore could lead a reader to a wrong conclusion. Although he was a Deputy Commander of the Army, his factual role within the Army was minor with little influence. --Yerevani Axjik (talk) 15:50, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

If the subject had little influence in the Army of the Republic of BiH, then why does he have such a long wiki? The main reason he is known and so popular is that he was born into an Orthodox family but identifies as Bosnian and fought alongside Bosnians during the war against the Serb attackers.--Sabahudin9 (talk) 07:14, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Lol. If that's the main reason he's known, then he indeed had no influence in the Army. XD --Yerevani Axjik (talk) 13:37, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

He is a orthodox bosniak , Not all bosniaks are 87.247.136.25 (talk) 04:40, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

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