Talk:Juanito Oiarzabal

Picture or Photo for Juanito Oiarzabal

If someone can provide a picture of 'Juanito Oiarzabal' and post it in the wikipedia ??? Because he is a magnificent mountaineer who has broken all the records .

Si alguien puede proporcionar una fotografía de 'Juanito Oiarzabal ' y ponerla en el wikipedia ?? Ël es un magnífico alpinista que ha batido todos los records

Thanks a lot.-Muchas Gracias. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.78.133.114 (talk) 22:31, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Spanish / Basque origin issue

With regards to the origins of Juanito I'm looking for suggestions / input as to what is most appropriate. Guipuscoa has been editing Basque related pages recently without attempting to find common ground first. Wikipedia guidelines for nationality only considers independent and sovereign states, but the region one originates from can't just easily be discarded. If you care to check some regional varieties of Hispanic Wikipedia branches you'll see the following;
ca:Juanito Oiarzabal ; Juan Eusebio Oiarzabal Urteaga, més conegut com a Juanito Oiarzabal ... és un alpinista basc.
eu:Juanito Oiarzabal ; Juan Eusebio Oiarzabal Urteaga ... euskal mendizalea da.
Do we keep it like it is (Juanito Oiarzabal is a noted Spanish Basque mountaineer) or where do we go from here?
Qwrk (talk) 11:00, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Issues like these need to be addressed with an amount of common sense. If we restrict ourselves purely to statements of nationality, we would have to airbrush out anything that states Welsh/Scottish ethnicity too. I see no harm in the fairly stable (bar the odd crusader) comination of Nationality + Ethnicity, it satisfies both the question of nationality (in the Basque case usually either Spanish or French) and their ethnicity. It would be downright odd on some of the articles Guipuscoa is ... editing to remove any mentions of ethnicity. Sabino Arana is as Basque as you can get and why on earth someone like Fausto Elhuyar would have done that much work in Basque linguistics would seem at least surprising without knowing he's Basque by parentage. There's no need for extremism either way. Akerbeltz (talk) 12:45, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

There is guide in Wikipedia that are valid for alls, and is the only way to find a consesous. Only real nations as nationality. Not independentism movement. Why you want to make a exception with the basque? the only reason is from a political purpose. Why there is a basque spanish, and there is not a madrilian spanish, cantabro spanish or murcian spanish? maybe some of this people feell that way. All are spanish and there is not reason and wikipedia agrees to make no exception. Write in the article that he feels basque or is involving in basque movement, but don´t say basque spanish, because this it´s not true, and more over there is not such ethnicity, there is a basque language, but there is not another basque race or basque ethnicity. we are not diferent to the rest of the spanish people. Guipuscoa (talk) 21:03, 5 October 2010 (UTC) Guipuscoa (talk)

That's precisely where you're wrong. Look around:

• Sean Connery ... is a Scottish actor and producer
• Bryn Terfel ... is a Welsh bass-baritone opera and concert singer
• Brenda Wootton ... was a Cornish poetess and folk singer
• Alan Stivell ... is a French and Breton musician and singer
• Mangosuthu Buthelezi ... is a South African Zulu politician

I could go on and on and on but I have better fish to fry. As you can see, some of these don't even bother to mention the nationality in the lede. And last time I looked, neither Scotland, Wales, Cornwall, KwaZulu nor Brittany were issuing passports. Think again? Akerbeltz (talk) 21:19, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

I fully agree with Akerbeltz. If we only mentioned Spanish, we would miss a very important side of his basque origin, but it also seems right to include Spanish, which is the legal nationality, irrespective of wether you like Spain or not. So using both seems a reasonable solution, same as many "Spanish Catalan" biographies which we can see in wikipedia. --Jordiferrer (talk) 23:09, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

His basque origin is already in his birthplace, we must include Spanish only, which is the legal, and not controversial. Bercanero (talk) 01:19, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

I cannot agree at all that the omission of his ethnicity makes the article less controversial at all. A decision like this is to assume Spanish nacionalism point of view as the NPOV, I assure you that such position would add much more controversy than the current middle ground chosen which is only controversial for extremist . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.55.196.78 (talk) 06:15, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Spanish is the correct!!! no matters how does he feels.Jasonmars (talk) 11:54, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Gee, suddenly all these single-purpose accounts appear out of nowhere... what a coincidence. Akerbeltz (talk) 12:10, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

A coincidence occurs when something uncanny, accidental and unexpected happens. This is not unexpected, hence we toss the coincidence out the front door. The flash mob might relate to characters putting socks on. Reckon' we should take it there?

Qwrk (talk) 13:21, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

I have considered that but have little experience of that process - but if you reckon it's a possibility, then I'd be agreeable to take it there. It's getting silly, check out this list Wikipedia:Wikiquette_alerts#Guipuscoa Akerbeltz (talk) 13:49, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Done. Report Qwrk (talk) 14:22, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

It must be noted that some Spaniards have no problem in considering that the 14th Dalai Lama was born in Lhasa, Tibet (see Spanish Wikipedia) and not in Lhasa, China. Does the criteria of accepting nacionality without a recognised state depends on the political affinity? Of course it is. With the term "Spanish Basque" a valid middleground has been found. And it has a perfect sense as it is perfectly possible to be Basque and not to be Spaniard. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.122.97.74 (talk) 16:27, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

List of eight-thousander summits

Only 23 summits are listed, even though he has summited 24. Which one is missing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.245.211.149 (talk) 18:10, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

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