Talk:Judith Alice Clark

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The last sentence doesn't make much sense with this article. The article doesn't establish how the robbery was politically motivated. --Xcali 15:15, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• I agree with your point that the last sentence does not clearly give the reasons why the radical left considers her a political prisoner. I think that basic reasons are the money was to be used to "fund the revolution" in a general sense and the fact that she apparently did none of the shooting (though under the law of most, if not all, states, if a murder occurs during a felony, all the participants are deemed to have participated in the murder, not just the person who pulled the trigger). It seems that the length of the sentence (75 years) for her role in the robbery is what makes her a "political prisoner". The problem is, many different left-leaning sources call her a political prisoner but they never explicitly give their reasoning, so I am left to draw my own conclusions. DS1953 16:20, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

VFD results

This article has survived a VFD nomination with the result of Keep --Allen3 ^talk July 4, 2005 23:55 (UTC)

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Potential Enhancements of Content

This biography could benefit from more consultation with primary sources, such as the FBI files for surveillance of Weather. There are several places where additional information, such as the subject's birth year, would add value to users. Based on wanted posters, for example, Clark was born c. 1950 (based on her age then relative to others featured on the same posters, for whom birth years are known). A firmer finding, however, would be preferable. There are also places where citations would be helpful, such as the fourth paragraph of the entry. Not all content appears in chronological order, and so might be rearranged with that principle in mind.Historytrain (talk) 21:34, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Is there any known history of between the time of 1953 to 1965 in Judith's life? What were the factors that caused Judith to join SDS in 1965? Who was she influenced by and why?Elizabethgaye22 (talk) 05:08, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

I like the way this page is laid out. It reads really well. I think it is well outlined and the information that anyone might want to find is readily available. The only suggestion I have is that there is maybe a lack of primary sources and seems like chunks of her life or her activity in weather is left out. It could be a little more thorough. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bellajack (talk • contribs) 04:29, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Content and Sources Comment

The content does need some fleshing out re early WUO activities, beyond the bare bones presented here. Also needs to be sourced. Article concentrates primarily on Judy's post-Nyack experience and accomplishments but omits verifiable activities in Flint, Chicago, Boston and Manhattan. Will attempt to fill some of this in a factual manner. Let's not forget this one.Weathervane13 (talk) 00:53, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

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Weather Underground Organization

It would be nice if the section titled Weather Underground Organization ACTUALLY SAID SOMETHING about the Weather Underground Organization. Obviously some fool removed material without bothering to rewrite the section.

Needs work

The article needs more and better sources. It has been tagged accordingly. SunCrow (talk) 03:25, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

I have done some work on the article, but it still needs more. I have added tags noting that some sources are unreliable and that some need expansion (specifically, page numbers). SunCrow (talk) 05:04, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Too many tags, "unreliable sources", but perhaps in the nature of the subject, urban terrorism, Weather Underground, May 19th, Brink's robbery? I thought the article was not that bad, but will try to find stuff: 1.) (already cited in article one time, but has much more detail) "Judith Clarke's Radical Transformation"; New York Times Magazine, Jan. 12, 2012, by Tom Robbins - who knew her when she was at high school. Her father Joe was in Russia as a foreign editor of the Daily Worker and later a outspoken anticommunist. Which perhaps contributed to her extreme politics(?)--Ralfdetlef (talk) 18:42, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Unarmed

This page says she was unarmed, but the page about the actual heist says she was armed with a 9mm handgun. Which was it? Felice Enellen (talk) 13:04, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

She drove one of the getaway cars, a yellow Honda, the car of a friend, and followed the main van of the robbers (after they had changed vans - an action reported to the police) with some? of the money. After the fatal shootout with the police, David Gilbert (WeatherUO) and Samuel Brown (BLA? THe Family?), who had been at the Brink van robbery, in the first shooting, entered the car. The car took off, but was chased by an unmarked police? car and Clark crashed it into a wall. She did not then use a gun, but did she even try? A gun WAS found on the floor of the car. This WP article had said, that it was HER gun, she reached for it, etc. But (NYTMag article, Questions and Clark's answers at a parole hearing), this seems not to be proven 100%. Brown may have lost his gun in the car crash. I'm not sure, if there was success in determining the origin of the gun afterwards. And perhaps Clark after the crash did or did not even try to find it, was just out of her mind after crashing the car into the wall and made automatic useless movements. In the article on Clark in the New York Times Magazine, she says something like that and denies that she reached for the gun. But, but, but: She had a loaded magazine in her handbag (even NYTMag has that) and she was very militant in court, ideological totally in line with the WUO, 19thMay stuff.--Ralfdetlef (talk) 07:34, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Refer to her as a convicted murderer

I find it appropriate to refer to her as a convicted murderer.Campbell302 (talk) 13:04, 25 Aug 2023 (UTC)

Is right there in the lead: Clark was tried and convicted on three counts of felony murder. Paradoctor (talk) 18:26, 25 August 2023 (UTC)