Talk:Judith Schiff

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 21:35, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

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• ... that Judith Schiff, as chief research archivist at the Yale University Library, helped determine that a skeleton exposed by a tree uprooted by Hurricane Sandy dated to either the 17th or 18th century? Source: “Judith A. Schiff, who in her many decades as chief research archivist at the Yale University Library worked with Charles Lindbergh on his archive, explored the papers of Emily Dickinson’s editor and unearthed all sorts of tidbits about the university and the surrounding city of New Haven, Conn., died on July 11 in Hamden, Conn. She was 84.

  And in 2012, when the gigantic hurricane known as Sandy uprooted a century-old tree on the New Haven Green, revealing human bones underneath, she was among the experts who fleshed out the story, so to speak: The green had been a burial ground from 1638 to 1797.”

  The New York Times

  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Touch the Sky Tour

Created by Thriley (talk) and Rgm38 (talk). Nominated by Thriley (talk) at 18:55, 25 July 2022 (UTC).

• Thriley, I will start a review shortly, a QPQ will be needed to complete the review. TSventon (talk) 09:42, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
• Thriley, review follows. The article is newly created, well written, long enough, neutral, with no BLP problems, contains appropriate citations and does not contain overly close paraphrasing. A QPQ is needed. The hook looks good, but needs to be mentioned with a reference in the article. I have tried to clarify Schiff's work with Mabel Loomis Todd’s papers, please improve further or revert if you disagree. I have also made some smaller tweaks to the text. TSventon (talk) 22:52, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

@TSventon: A QPQ has been provided. Is there anything else needed for this nom, or is it approved? Z1720 (talk) 19:43, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

, @Z1720:, @Thriley: a QPQ has been provided and I have just added the hook fact and reference to the article myself, so I can now approve the nomination. TSventon (talk) 20:14, 8 August 2022 (UTC).

@TSventon: Thank you very much. Sorry for not being on top of this nomination. I won’t nominate without the hook being in the body again. Best, Thriley (talk) 15:24, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

@Thriley and TSventon: I read the source for this hook, and it does not say that the skeleton was dated from the 17th or 18th century. Rather, the source says that Schiff helped determine that the skeleton was in a burial ground that was in use from 1638 to 1797. Also, it is possible that the skeleton was moved to the site several decades after its death. I'm suggesting an ALT hook below:

• ALT1: ... that Judith Schiff helped determine that a skeleton exposed by a tree uprooted by Hurricane Sandy was buried in a gravesite used in the 17th and 18th century?
• ALT1a: ... that when a skeleton was exposed by a tree uprooted by Hurricane Sandy, Judith Schiff helped determine that it was buried in a gravesite used in the 17th and 18th century?

The two alts remove her position at Yale because it was over 200 characters. Thoughts? Z1720 (talk) 19:02, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

@Thriley and Z1720:, I thought that the original hook was a reasonable summary of the information in the NYT, but I have done some more research and find that Schiff was part of a team that dated several fragmentary skeletons to the 1790s. The article will need to be updated accordingly. I therefore propose

• ALT2: ... that Judith Schiff, as chief research archivist at the Yale University Library, helped determine that skeletons exposed by a tree uprooted by Hurricane Sandy dated to the 18th century? Sources: “Judith A. Schiff, who in her many decades as chief research archivist at the Yale University Library worked with Charles Lindbergh on his archive, explored the papers of Emily Dickinson’s editor and unearthed all sorts of tidbits about the university and the surrounding city of New Haven, Conn., died on July 11 in Hamden, Conn. She was 84.

  And in 2012, when the gigantic hurricane known as Sandy uprooted a century-old tree on the New Haven Green, revealing human bones underneath, she was among the experts who fleshed out the story, so to speak: The green had been a burial ground from 1638 to 1797.”

  New York Times

  ”historians and archaeologists convened at the New Haven Museum to announce that the bones belonged to seven individuals from the 1790s”

  New Haven Register

  TSventon (talk) 10:07, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

• Readding tick. I added the ref to the article and slightly changed the wording of the sentence to match ALT2 and information in the source. ALT2 approved. Z1720 (talk) 14:54, 19 August 2022 (UTC)