Talk:K. M. Cariappa/GA1

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Reviewer: Sturmvogel 66 (talk · contribs) 20:28, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

I'll get to this shortly.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 20:28, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

@Sturmvogel 66: Any update on this? Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 00:35, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

• External links OK, no DABs.
• Images appropriately licensed.
• He is one of only two Indian Army officers to hold the highest five-star rank of field marshal As a superlative, this needs to be cited, even though it's in the lede. And delete "highest"
• At the peak of his career he was appointed commander-in-chief "At the peak of his career" is redundant to the rest of the sentence.
• Born on 28 January 1900, in Madikeri, Kodagu You already told the reader his birthdate in the very first sentence, although it was a different year. Which year is correct? Link his Madikeri, Kodagu here and remove any subsequent links.
• As the lede is a summary, you shouldn't give the date that he joined. Use instead something more vague like shortly after the end of WWI, etc.
• Don't list his early regiments, say instead something along that he was transferred between multiple regiments early in his career before settling on 1/7 Rajputs. And be sure to add an "s" to Rajput.
• Link Quetta, battalion, Camberly, headquarters, New Delhi, revenue department, Daly Cadet College, Sandhurst
• Birthplace doesn't match the infobox.
• Cariappa was the second sibling in a family of four sons and two daughters. What does this mean, the second child, or the second son?
• During college, he learned that Indians were being recruited into the Indian Army, and that they were to be trained in India. As he wished to serve as a soldier he applied for the training. Awkward, rephrase and combine both sentences.
  • Still needs to be done.
• stood seventh in overall order of merit This terminology isn't much used in the US and UK. Better to say that he graduated seventh in his class.
• Cariappa's rank junior to those officers who passed out from Sandhurst on 16 July 1920 emphasize that the Sandhurst graduates were British and change passed out to graduated or provide a link for it as Americans won't understand the terminology.
  • Added British for you.
• Link all of the units mentioned in the Early service section unless already linked earlier. Red links are fine.
• In 1922, he received his permanent commission as a second lieutenant (retroactive to 1919) Delete this as you gave it earlier in the paragraph.
• More later.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 03:30, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

@Sturmvogel 66: Done till now. Please have a look. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 14:40, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

• Move the link for the 7th Rajputs to the lede where it first appears.
• Link all place names like Derajat, Iraq, etc., and all units mentioned that don't already have a link.
• Cariappa was successful in stabilising the newly raised battalion in terms of administration, training, and the handling of arms. What does "stablising" mean?

A newly raised unit will have to face a lot of issues that are to be dealt. stablising in the sense Cariappa handled the issues well. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 04:23, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

OK, but the phrasing is awkward, although I'm having a bit of a hard time figuring out what to use instead as newly-formed battalions aren't all that well covered in the literature. Maybe something along the lines of "brought the newly raised battalion up to standard"?

• First, the battalion's machine guns were replaced with tanks in order to convert it into an armoured division. You're combining two thoughts here. The unit was converted into an armoured regiment, not an armoured division. Did 17/7 Rajputs remain assigned to 43rd Indian Armoured Division? If so, were they motorized infantry?
  • The subsequent assignments still need to be covered. And change But soon the battalion was reverted "But then the battalion reverted"... And was it the move to Secunderabad that led to the unrest or the frequent changes in role? A little more detail on the incident would be good.
• Link South East Asia Command, 14th Army, etc., also Military Secretary and the partition of India
• command of brigade of "a" brigade
• He was also widely acclaimed for his treatment of the Indian National Army's (INA) prisoners. Explain this. More later.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 01:34, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
• in a most amicable, just, and orderly manner. This is WP:Puffery.

@Sturmvogel 66: Please have a look. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 04:23, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

• When Head of the Interim Government Jawaharlal Nehru When "the" Head and put commas after Government and Nehru.
• recommending him to improve their standards and also to pardon some of them who were not guilty "recommending that their living conditions be improved and to pardon some of those that"
• some of them who were not guilty. These include Colonel Prem Kumar Sahgal, Gurbaksh Singh Dhillon and Shah Nawaz Khan. Cariappa pointed out that these prisoners had considerable support from the Indian leaders, who would later rule the country. This led the British to let off most of the prisoners. Not guilty of what? Collaborating with the Japanese? Explain better. And use "release" instead of "let off".

They belong to the Indian National Army, that fights against the Britishers for Independence of India

• on the higher directions of war What does this mean?

Reworded to avoid confusion

• He explained to the hierarchy the risk of inexperienced officers taking over higher commands. Without the help of British officers, the situation would be much worse. But he was forced to proceed according to the partition plan. During the traumatic period of partition he handled the division of the Indian Army and sharing of its assets between Pakistan and India. He was then the Indian officer in charge of overseeing the transition. This whole bit is awkward and a few of these sentences could profitably be combined.
• Delete all mention of the son's biography of his father.
• Combine the first two paragraphs of the Post-retirement and death section.
• Cariappa took an active part in the reorganization of the armed forces in many foreign countries. What does this mean?

That means he worked on forming their policies, organisational structures etc.

• He was a much traveled man and visited parts of China, Japan, the United States, Great Britain, Canada and most European countries. Not very significant, IMO.
• He was conferred with the Order of the Chief Commander of the Legion of Merit by President Harry S. Truman. "He was awarded the Legion of Merit in the degree of Chief Commander by the American President Harry S. Truman."
• He contested the Lok Sabha seat for North-East Bombay as an independent against Krishna Menon and J.B. Kripalani. Though he was a respected figure he lost the election Combine these two sentences and add when he sought election. More later.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 21:46, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

@Sturmvogel 66: Thanks for the comments, done. Please have look. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 04:22, 21 January 2017 (UTC)