Talk:Kazimir Malevich

Nationality

Kazimir actually is a Ukrainian artist. Kindly change the information here. 37.73.20.177 (talk) 22:47, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

No, he was not. Ymblanter (talk) 18:06, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Yes! He always identified himself as Ukrainian and calling him "russian" is just rude and it sounds uneducated. Diana.demelko (talk) 03:52, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Kazamir Malevich was an Ukrainian artist

He saw and identified himself as a Ukrainian.(He talked about it himself) He saw himself as Ukrainian and he was born in the territory of Ukraine now. Russia is changing historical facts and it is not ok just to take lies as it is. You will be learning false facts because of this and become more uneducated instead of educating yourself as you expect from Wiki. It would be better for everyone if it was changed. Diana.demelko (talk) 04:01, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

No, it would only be better for Ukrainian propaganda. For everybody else this would be disinformation and cultural appropriation. Ymblanter (talk) 07:23, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

How is knowing truth is being disinformation?How can stating TRUE facts can play into propaganda? Kazimir stated he was Ukrainian not even Polish so why call him Russian if he had nothing to do with them by blood and mentality? I would recommend reading about propaganda and especially how Russia is using it. A person who knows what propaganda means and who has a little bit of basic knowledge would know that telling FACTS can not be bad not propaganda. It's like stating Shakespeare is a USA artist. Historical facts are not propaganda while lying about someone being of a different nationality helps propaganda (Russian propaganda in this case). Lying to make someone else's culture "better" that is propaganda. This website is for knowledge and facts. Diana.demelko (talk) 20:24, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Diana.demelko, I think we all know how propaganda works. I haven't looked at the article or its sourcing, but if you are going to argue this point you will need to present actual evidence. You can say he saw himself as Ukrainian, but Wikipedia needs sourcing. Drmies (talk) 20:26, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Now that I read through it, and read a few of the sources, I think that the article represents the matter and the consensus pretty fairly. So the Met went back and forth on Aivazovsky and now has something like what our article has; the Stedelijk went a step further with “born in Ukraine to parents of Polish origin", but that's actually already in the lead. So, no, I see no reason to change what we have. What all this makes clear of course is that the 19th-c disease of nationalism still rages, but that's not something we're going to fix on this talk page. Ymblanter, let's go to Amsterdam, you and me, and we'll see just how much Malevich is in the Stedelijk. We'll rent bikes and eat fries too, of course. Drmies (talk) 20:35, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Sure, I am in the Stedelijk on a regular basis, last time I have been there was last year. Ymblanter (talk) 20:54, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Oh, I had no idea you lived in the motherland, or maybe I forgot. I appreciate your contribution to our intellectual GDP. Drmies (talk) 16:49, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. Yes, I am proud to be a Dutch citizen (and I do not hold any other nationality). Ymblanter (talk) 16:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

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90.175.126.12 (talk) 21:18, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

He was Ukrainian, was born in Kyev, his arts were about Ukraine.

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template. Mellk (talk) 21:31, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

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Kazimir Severinovich Malevich[nb 1] (23 February [O.S. 11 February] 1879[1] – 15 May 1935) was a Ukrainian avant-garde[nb 2] artist and art theorist, whose pioneering work and writing influenced the development of abstract art in the 20th century.[2][3][4][5] He was born in Kyiv, Ukraine, to an ethnic Polish family. His concept of Suprematism sought to develop a form of expression that moved as far as possible from the world of natural forms (objectivity) and subject matter in order to access "the supremacy of pure feeling"[6] and spirituality.[7][8] Malevich was a founder of the artists collective UNOVIS and his work has been variously associated with the Ukrainian avant-garde, and he was a central figure in the history of modern art in Central and Eastern Europe more broadly.[9][10] Irynatokarchuk (talk) 03:24, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

This is incorrect and should not be added to the article. Ymblanter (talk) 05:33, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 September 2024

Kazimir Malevicz was a polish artist, born in Ukraine, Kyiv Taveret (talk) 21:47, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Looks like we have a bot operation ongoing. Needs to be rejected. Ymblanter (talk) 06:39, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 October 2024

Change "Principle of Flickering" to "Principle of Glittering" 136.55.31.195 (talk) 18:17, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

 Done Corrected to reflect the title in the linked article. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 18:52, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Nationality

Malevych was born and studied in Ukraine. Could you please change the bit where it is said that he is a Russian artist and write that he is a Ukrainian artist? 148.252.141.124 (talk) 17:16, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Polish nationality

As an ethnically Polish person, how could he be considered Russian? He was Polish. His mother and father were both Polish. 78.26.151.72 (talk) 10:24, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

You are confusing ethnicity and nationality. Ymblanter (talk) 12:15, 14 November 2024 (UTC)