Talk:Kelly Rowland

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"Second lead singer" title

Although it has been widely noted that Beyonce was the lead singer of Destiny's Child, Kelly was never referred to or known by the media and general public as the group's "second lead singer". That's like saying Michelle was known as the "third lead singer" which she wasn't. Put simply, Kelly rose to fame as another member of Destiny's Child and that's how it should be mentioned in the lead section. Who agrees? Lightsout (talk) 20:03, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Occupations Appearing in the Infobox and in the Lead Paragraph

I have tried to make an informed epuration among her occupations in the introduction paragraph and the infobox. The Wikipedia Manual of Style describes the best practices, and I have applied them to benefit clarity. Indeed, what makes Rowland particularly notable, is her career as a singer and songwriter and the introduction paragraph needs to highlight this, instead of diluting it in a long enumeration of endeavors she has ever made.

Here are the occupations I have taken out of the list and the reasoning behind my choices.

• Dancer: Rowland is unquestionably a very skilled dancer. I am also aware that she was a dance master on a short-lived Australian TV show. That said, Rowland never had a career as a dancer per se. She is a singer who dances to complement her musical performance. In that regard, the majority of mainstream pop and RnB singers give similar performances. I believe her dancing is inherent to her work as a singer and not a distinct occupation. I want to stress this has nothing to do with her dancing aptitudes, nor with denying she is a great dancer. All I’m saying is that she didn’t become notable as a dancer. If we look at the big picture, within the industry, she is not among the singers who were defined by dance: Janet Jackson, Usher, Madonna, Britney Spears, or Chris Brown, to name a few. This might seem subjective, but in fact, it is not. It’s easy to find articles aimed at the impact these singers had on dance, but Rowland’s dancing didn’t generate such discourse.
• Fashion Designer: The first reason why I think we should also remove “Fashion designer” from her occupations is that the page itself barely mentions it. The introduction and the infobox allude to her work in fashion design, yet it appears only in one other place, in the section on modeling and testimonials. I cannot say that I know a lot about her ventures in fashion, but the sourcing for these incursions in fashion design is anemic. I believe these so-called design endeavors are, in reality, commercial endorsements. We see fashion brands using the name of a celebrity all the time. Celebrities contribute to the design process by visiting the designers when the project starts to share some ideas, and come back at the end, to pick what design to send in production. She might have been more involved than that too, but at the moment, there is nothing on the page that allows us to present her somehow as a notable fashion designer.
• Model: Kelly Rowland never made a living as a model, nor is she a notable fashion model. She has posed for magazines countless times and often walked down runways, but she didn’t have a career in modeling. Acting as the Egeria of a fashion brand or becoming a spokesperson for it isn’t the same as modeling, since these celebrities are hired based on a preexistent notability. Once more, I’d argue that here work in modeling stems from her notability as a singer.
• Television presenter: I removed it because I had a hard time understanding why we’d have to present her as both: a Television presenter and a TV personality. Also, I couldn’t find in the article a single example of her involvement as a Television presenter; indeed, I believe that “TV personality” encompasses all the work she has ever done on TV.
• Author: True, she wrote a book, but she is not notable for her writings. Plus, let’s not forget that as of now, if we count all the books she wrote, the total is 1 book. If we’d present her as an author, we’d be going against this recommendation of the Wikipedia Manual of Style (MOS:ROLEBIO):

“The lead sentence should describe the person as they are commonly described in reliable sources. The noteworthy position(s) or role(s) the person held should usually be stated in the opening paragraph. However, avoid overloading the lead paragraph with various and sundry roles; instead, emphasize what made the person notable. Incidental and non-noteworthy roles (i.e. activities that are not integral to the person’s notability) should usually not be mentioned in the lead paragraph.”

Hopefully, I was able to express my position clearly, and some people will agree with me. But I also expect some won’t, so I want to make clear that I am here in good faith, and I would be more than happy to hear what you have to say.AleXMetz∆°^°˚TALK 13:21, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Songs has an RFC

Wikipedia:WikiProject Songs has an RFC for the use of radio station/networks' playlists being cited in articles. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Heartfox (talk) 00:09, 29 April 2021 (UTC)