Talk:Killing of Yahya Sinwar
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Pics
editHi. Im from Israel. On news channel appeared pics confirming body of dead Sinwar, so he is 100% dead. Can add this to article? 46.116.159.109 (talk) 15:29, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
Not done Please provide sources on this Abo Yemen✉ 15:53, 17 October 2024 (UTC)- I'm not defending Sinwar or anything, but I find it a bit jarring that this page was created before his death was even officially confirmed. If Israel ultimately denies his death, Wikipedia will look rather silly. :) Psychloppos (talk) 16:16, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Sources on his death already exist and if for the highly unlikely chance that it appears that this is just IDF propaganda, we can just AfD this article Abo Yemen✉ 16:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Yes of course, but I just find it surprising that we created this article before we could even be sure (as I write it has been confirmed so that's fine) Psychloppos (talk) 17:24, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Welcome to the milhist side of wikipedia Abo Yemen✉ 17:31, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Yes of course, but I just find it surprising that we created this article before we could even be sure (as I write it has been confirmed so that's fine) Psychloppos (talk) 17:24, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Sources on his death already exist and if for the highly unlikely chance that it appears that this is just IDF propaganda, we can just AfD this article Abo Yemen✉ 16:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
Article name
editShould the term Assassination be used instead of Killing? Abo Yemen✉ 15:54, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- We also have the flowchart at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (violence and deaths), which goes into some detail and can be useful for these situations - there is no mention (and thusly no consensus, on that page anyways) for use of "Assassination" - the bar for that would be significant use of the term in reliable sources, as noted in this essay: Wikipedia:Assassination ASUKITE 16:06, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'll wait to see what most sources say once his death is confirmed before I open an RM Abo Yemen✉ 16:09, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- We should check the rationale which led to choosing the name Killing of Osama bin Laden and see which name would be more fitting here. Psychloppos (talk) 16:12, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Use of the term assassination typically requires the target to have been tracked down and the people doing the killing to know the identity of who they're going after at the time of the killing. Everything so far indicates that some Israeli soldiers got in a gunfight with some unidentified Hamas fighters, killed three, and when checking the bodies realized one might be Sinwar.
- If they had gone in knowing it was Sinwar then the word assassination would make sense, but only learning he was there from identifying his body after the fact would negate most common uses of the term. 170.203.213.40 (talk) 19:10, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Agree. Moreover, if the term "assassination" is not used for the article about bin Laden's death even though the Americans were definitely going after him, then it shouldn't be used for this article either. Psychloppos (talk) 19:59, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'll wait to see what most sources say once his death is confirmed before I open an RM Abo Yemen✉ 16:09, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Assassination implies a targeted killing of a particular individual, this however was completely coincidental as the IDF had no previous information about sinwar's presence nor was the operation carried out specifically with the intention of eliminating him Waleed (talk) 01:20, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
Not confirmed
editthe article claims the DNA has been confirmed to be Sinwar, it cites 2 sources both of which only report that testing is to take place. Neither claim there ist confirmation by DNA this should be corrected 2A02:3037:269:7676:A860:48F:243C:6510 (talk) 15:55, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Abo Yemen✉ 15:58, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
Assassination
editKilling of Yahya Sinwar > Assassination of Yahya Sinwar 178.81.55.110 (talk) 16:04, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Abo Yemen✉ 16:09, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- See my comment above under Article name ASUKITE 16:10, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- sorry for duplicate 178.81.55.110 (talk) 16:18, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
Analysis section
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Please restore the "Analysis" section as it has been confirmed that Sinwar is the dead person who was photographed. EpicAdventurer (talk) 16:15, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
Location of Sinwar’s death.
editCoordinates are listed to be in central Rafah. He died in a building in Tel Al Sultan, in 31.3055, 34.2467
source: Geolocation Source: Stinky1300 (talk) 03:24, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
Executed > Killed
editIt is inappropriate to say that he was "executed". He was killed in a firefight. 2001:8003:3443:E000:6DC6:E7D8:6005:9095 (talk) 04:52, 18 October 2024 (UTC)