Talk:Kin-iro Mosaic

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The AfD has just closed as a keep, would someone be willing to help expand this article with the sources that are out there? - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 19:55, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Aya's and Youko's character descriptions

Recently, it has come to my attention that some individuals disagree with the statements that Aya "is rather bashful towards Yoko" and that Youko "seems to be oblivious of Aya's crush on her."

I don't know if these individuals have read or watched the series, but it seems painfully clear that Aya often blushes whenever Youko appears older-sisterly/manly, or caring, and that Aya tends to have (perhaps childish) romantic fantasies about herself and Youko.

Whether or not Aya's affections eventually develop into something more serious, it shouldn't be a problem to state that Aya has such feelings.

If anybody is offended by the idea of one girl looking up to and liking another girl, then please state your reasons why, and we can try to find a middleground for this page's character descriptions, perhaps. I don't want to see an edit war ensue due to silly reasons such as homophobia or just plain trolling... SennaWong (talk) 22:15, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Ah, so you've done “original research” to find that out. Or, do you have a source, troll. Congrats on trying to label everyone that doesn't agree with you as homophobic, though. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.162.179.96 (talk) 00:44, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

I would recommend that the word "crush" be changed to "fixation" or "fascination" or even (possibly the best option) merely "bashfulness". We don't know that it's a romantic crush, merely that Aya is "bashful" towards Yoko. Also, please don't try to label your opponents as homophobes, as the inverse could be an argument that speculating as to the sexuality of 16 year olds without objective proof could be construed as a mite creepy. I am merely invested in accurate descriptions of anime characters, as should you be. We can debate this rationally without any accusations of bigotry/paedophilia from either side. 90.203.69.69 (talk) 18:26, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

I also recommend that we change "crush"; she clearly is embarrassed when dealing with Youko, and that's undeniable. Luigi6138 (talk) 20:23, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

I just adjusted it to "sentiment towards", which I think is an acceptable middle ground. It leaves enough room for people to make their own inferences without forcing their hand into a romantic crush or nothing at all. Let me know what you guys think. Luigi6138 (talk) 22:41, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm fine with the change. Thanks for the edits and the support ^^ SennaWong (talk) 04:00, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

False, this is not original research. The source material is the manga/anime itself; when clearly inferrable from itself, there need not be an official source saying explicitly, as this falls under ground as "common knowledge". This is akin to knowing that the Empire State Building is in New York City: the source is the building itself. As a sidenote, SennaWong does not appear to be accusing people of being homophobic, though I understand why you have construed it as such. I would ask you to stick by your words as well, instead of labelling others as trolls right in your second sentence. Luigi6138 (talk) 20:23, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

The IP's behaviour here is totally unacceptable. Paedophilia? At the very least, someone needs to consult a dictionary.. To those people that have tried to reach a compromise - you should be commended for your efforts, but, why on earth are we even bothering to reach consensus with someone who thinks that Two girls can b friends without wanting to shag. Deal with it otaku virgin scum is an acceptable edit summary? I recommend requesting page-protection if this nonsense continues. -- Hillbillyholiday ^talk 23:14, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

I agree. The page is currently semi-protected, so let's let the semi-protection run its course. A request for full protection will most likely be submitted if this nonsense continues. Luigi6138 (talk) 00:12, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

I think it is funny that you consider discussing changes to a page in its talk page as "nonsense". You want the page to be fully protected so that no one can improve the article? That is odd. 2001:5B0:21FF:1CF0:0:0:0:36 (talk) 20:08, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

http://i.imgur.com/Df2VCpQ.jpg 100% sourced proof that they're just friends and nothing more. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.203.69.69 (talk) 21:31, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Someone isn't familiar with tsundere I see (or is it just purposely trolling by leaving out the context of that scene). As far as the anime and manga's concerned, Aya definitely has feelings of some sort for Youko, though given it's a slice-of-life 4koma, we probably won't see them reciprocated for a long while if at all. Wonchop (talk) 21:56, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Can't a joke just be a joke without being labelled as trolling? 90.202.125.235 (talk) 12:19, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Related discussion

I do consider this article notable, given ja.wp sources, but have mentioned it among 7 articles on manga of the same magazine at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Free! (manga). Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:36, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Yuri genre

So, I see some people took out the Yuri genre that has been in this article for months. We know that this series is yuri because the author of the manga confirmed Aya as lesbian here:

http://www.yamibo.com/thread-199628-1-1.html

This also means the discussion about Aya and Youko descriptions is wrong, but I don't really care about that. There's also the new teacher that will appear in S2, Akari Kuzehashi, who's also gay for Karasuma-sensei, as can be seen here http://i.imgur.com/AvmFHif.png and she is since they were high school students, see http://i.imgur.com/4YouLln.jpg

So, by having, at least, a confirmed lesbian and an adult lesbian, the series belongs to the Yuri genre.Redloid (talk) 18:21, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Actually, no. Just because one character is a lesbian does not mean that the entire manga is in the yuri genre. Haruka's and Michiru's relationship does not make Sailor Moon a yuri manga. This kind of analyst is a direct violation of Wikipeida's WP:No original research policy and cannot be added to the article without a reliable source directly stating that yuri as one of the manga's genres. —Farix (t | c) 00:05, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

It doesn't make Sailor Moon a yuri manga because there's some hetero relationships. Every character in Kin-iro Mosaic is paired with other girl, there's no hetero relationships in Kin-iro Mosaic. With the most obvious one confirmed 100% as lesbian, and even having an adult one, pretty much confirm the other ones. Making this a yuri manga.Redloid (talk) 00:44, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

This is very much original research and is not allowed on the article. Where is your source stating that it is a yuri manga. Even the Japanese version of the article does not include yuri as a genre. —Farix (t | c) 02:07, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

I have a source stating that at least one of the possible lesbians, is in fact, a lesbian. Which is more than enough to call it a yuri manga. The entire character of Aya consists in being gay, all of what she does in the show is being gay for Youko, sometimes even be jealous on how close Shino and Alice are, compared to she and Youko. But I don't really need to explain this, because the source above is more than enough to confirm it.Redloid (talk) 03:43, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Just because a character is a lesbians doesn't mean the genre is yuri (re Sailor Moon). And I question the link because it is to a Chinese forum and I don't see a post with the author's name in it. You must have a reliable source the directly states the genre is yuri. Otherwise, you are engaging in interpretation, which violates Wikpedia's policy on original research. "All interpretive claims, analyses, or synthetic claims about primary sources must be referenced to a secondary source". —Farix (t | c) 10:19, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Redloid, your argument means the opposite of what you think: if the author had to go out of his way to confirm the sexuality of the characters, then it is definitely not a lesbian romance series, which is what yuri as a genre indicates. --erachima talk 08:35, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

If the author went out of her way. Her. It's because it obviously will amount to something, you don't say one of your characters is gay without at least letting her confess at the end. She's confirming it, not saying it out of the blue. With this confirmation the people will expect a confession, and a manga with a lesbian confession and romance is a yuri manga.Redloid (talk) 22:44, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes that is definitely what that means. --erachima talk 02:29, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

That was after the series was finished and you can't confess without a love interest. In this case Youko's exist. It's different to say a character is gay, to say a character is gay for other character. She still has a chance to do something about it, and the fans who already know her as a gay character wouldn't be pleased if she doesn't do something.Redloid (talk) 03:26, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

What fans expect has no relevance to the genre of the manga. What matters is reliable sources that verifies what the genre is. You have yet to provide any such source to back up your claim. —Farix (t | c) 03:43, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Two things, one as mentioned, Sailor Moon has a confirmed lesbian couple and is not Yuri so I don't see how this is any different. Secondly, the idea that since the author confirmed that one character is gay proves that she will confess in the end is a clear case of analysis and personal opinion (since the source never mentioned anything close to a confession) and a textbook case of OR so it can't be used. Your best bet is to find a reliable source that directly identifies the work as yuri.--67.68.22.129 (talk) 00:53, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Because Sailor Moon also had hetero relationships, you can't call a manga with hetero relationships a yuri manga. Find a better example. I can't think of a manga with only yuri relationships that it's not classified as yuri.Redloid (talk) 03:26, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

"you can't call a manga with hetero relationships a yuri manga." Actually, you can so long as there are reliable sources that back up that claim. The thing is, WE cannot be the ones making that claim because that would be in violation of WP:NOR. —Farix (t | c) 03:43, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

And all of this... original research. You are drawing conclusions from the primary source and applying your personal interpretation of what is the "yuri genre". All attempts to rationalize that this manga is yuri without citing a source that directly states that is original research and cannot be added to the article. —Farix (t | c) 03:18, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

I don't think the yuri tag suits here(even with the added reference). As an anime viewer, you can ship any two girls you like and fangirl for all those Les Yay moments between them. However, editing wikipedia is a completely different thing and one should not define a manga with more subtext than real homo relationship, and more SoL than affections, a yuri manga.

I should assume that Redloid is a 300er??? Since there aren't a lot of yuri anime out there (and even few high-quality ones), works like KinMoza are still among the top must-watch lists of yuri fans. But again, editing wikipedia is a different thing. If you like this show because of its yuri undertones, discuss stuff in Yamibo (or any usual forum) instead of tagging it 'yuri' in wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.221.185.83 (talk) 14:30, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

The entire pretext that this is sill in the yuri genre is based entirely on one BlogSpot post that claims to be an interview. However, because this interview is fan translated and the blog itself it not a reliable source, it simply cannot be used to justify. Another source must be found in order for the genre to stay in the infobox. —Farix (t | c) 22:34, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

How about the source (that's written by Erica Friendman) used in the Yuri (genre) article that says the the show is part (or at least has parts of) the yuri genre. Can that one be used here? Sakuura Cartelet ^Talk 22:54, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

She doesn't specifically claim that Kin-iro Mosaic is in the yuri genre, but that article is simply noting that the series was receiving a squeal. She also notes Blu-ray releases for the first three Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha series and a Sailor Moon musical and anime preview, neither of which are in the yuri genre either. —Farix (t | c) 01:58, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Well, to be honest, Erica calls something yuri anime, even if it have noticeable yuri vibes or lesbian characters. She does not hide this and it was never a secret. Especially when we talking about moe show, a genre where 90% of the works somehow contain lesbian characters or a diverse yuri fanservice. This is a standard element of commercial attractiveness of such works and in the majority it is nothing other than Queerbaiting. So, to confirm your point of view, you need more than 1-2 lesbian characters or homoerotic subtext between girls. Solaire the knight (talk) 12:35, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Needs standardization

This page uses Alice Cartelet while the list of episodes uses Alice Cartalet. Which of these is correct? Feinoha ^Talk 00:23, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

I've changed Cartalet in the episode list to Cartelet to match this page since I didn't get any reply. Feinoha ^Talk 00:46, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Sorry for the late reply, yes Cartelet is correct. See the spelling on the back of the box of the official English release. CurlyWi (talk) 14:30, 12 May 2016 (UTC)